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>>2817349 Gabbard resigned apparently
>>2820019Related to spouses bone cancer she says
>>2820018I agree. Being anti-Israel cannot be the standard of political legitimacy. You need to actually be left-wing.
>>2820018it's crazy that USA "leftists" are allowing themselves to be outflanked on antizionism by fascists. especially when so much of their young base was cultivated over the past two years precisely off of how horrible it was to be complicit and observe the gaza genocide.
>>2820031no, you magachud, alone being 'anti-israel' (he never called what israel did in Gaza a genocide, so I don't know what 'anti-israel' is he) isn't what must define alone a progressive candidate.
your fucking strawman doesn't work here.
now go clean up your nose, your orangenosing loser.
>>2820036Chuds are concern trolling again. No one gives a shit about electoralism.
>>2820031my thoughts exactly
>>2820036who the fuck cares? massie twiddling his dick means nothing if he does nothing with it
There’s nothing to organize or to salvage here, all garbage on blood soaked land. The only way to repent is to move to the UK and be annoying there.
>>2820047What the fuck are you talking about????
>>2820044yeah why would he? None of these right-wing "anti-zionists" have any level of commitment to the cause. They are only yapping so they can endorse Vance in a few years and make it seem like he's the new peace candidate after the democrats have nominate another vapid, war-mongering, genocide-neutral, issue-less nominee.
>>2820038>No one gives a shit about electoralism.90% of the leftists on this website don't care about anything BUT electoralism
>>2820055That’s just a few loud shitheads.
>>2820058Stop vagueposting you piece of shit
I think I’m gonna get into fentanyl this year
>>2820059If you can’t already tell, you’ll never learn, most don’t
>>2820055Yes, and? That's a good thing. I mean, are they wrong? That was then. This is now. Who hurt you?
>>2820066Israel is not a real state
>>2820077Power does not corrupt; it only reveals corruption.
>>2820071I bet the stats would shift if the question of "does Israel have the right to exist?" was asked though.
>>2820079Essentialist spookery.
>>2820082If power corrupts, you must be against power, I suppose?
>>2820064Maybe elections are a stupid idea and not a good way to have any politics
>>2820085This is a completely correct statement
>>2820085"It doesn't matter who votes, only who counts the votes"
>>2820064>accuse opponent of doing something you're already doing so when you get caught doing it later it nerfs the impact>some anonymous dumbass: LE BOTH SIDES!What's tiresome is how obvious this shit is and how easily retards fall for it.
>>2820082>spookeryThis word is functionally antisemitic, comrade. Recant now or I'm splitting the org and going back to McKinsey.
>>2820064>>2820085>>2820086It's actually good that both parties are openly calling it rigged because that gives people even less excuse to believe in this sham we call "democracy"
>>2820093I’m going to drink every day until there’s a military coup
>>2820031If you have multiple gunshot wounds, your cancer diagnosis takes a backseat. Once the doctors have stopped the bleeding and patched up all the wounds then you can focus on chemo.
>>2820094You’ll die of alcohol poisoning. A military coup is not coming.
>>2820113My liver and kidneys are more solid than the US constitution, it’s not even going to last another five years
>>2820071registered voters don't matter, polls don't matter, public sentiment doesn't matter, only donors.
>>2820139There’s no need for these chains of delegates and councils when we have instant communication across continents
>>2820017wow that OP video is fucked up, but we all knew that small towns in the US are basically feudal
>>2820189But you can have one council instead of dozens or hundreds
>>2820194I really wish we had one politician just call Trump a retard live. No mealy mouthed proclamations, just “we’ve got a retard in the White House.”
>>2820203>But you can have one council instead of dozens or hundreds…… anon do you think the entire global proletariat can attend the same zoom meeting? no we divide concerns for a reason. proles in Soyjak County, Chudsechussets are going to want to talk about their own economic plans, their own, infrastructure, their own roads, their own schools. local concerns and division of labor don't disappear under socialism or even under communism.
>>2820223>Gigantic buses Or as they're commonly known, trains
>>2820227Literally was gonna post that, holy shit the west is so fucked
zero agitation going on in opposition to the impending invasion of Cuba
>>2820242yeah no they're invading iran
>>2820036<A small group of conservatards become anti-israel this year to grift off the nazi base>the right is more anti-israel Im tired of this historical revisionism, especially history that happened the last 3 years. Where was the right when Biden was cracking down on Palestine activists? Cheering him on. Now that Massie is gone, MTG left congress after becoming anti-israel and APIC has cleared any potential anti-israel Republicans from the primaries. The Republicans are fully the party of israel. The right has shown even theyll let israel run a child sex trafficking blackmail ring in the U.S as long as they can make libs cry over cultural war bullshit.
>>2820205My fellow Americans, I reget to inform you that we got a full blown retard in the Whitehouse. A pants shitting, smelly, mean spirited retard. The type that bites others and has to have a handler 24/7. Im also being informed the retard in chief is a fat pedophile that has grown a fully functional pussy on his neck lastly and most distressing, the man is completely orange.
>>2820257learn to read you unbelievable moron. that post is not doing historical revisionism. it is saying that right now, in this moment, fascists are outflanking the left on anti zionism. no mention was made about their position on it in the past.
read posts twice. read slowly. make sure you're not inserting words that aren't there.
>>2820259some call him a cheeto. a dang cheeto.
>>2820261Read my post again you moron. I mentioned any semblance of an anti-israel right was just wiped out in primaries. How the fuck are they outflanking the left? The republican party isn't barely 50% against israel while the dems are are polling at fucking 90%. The right isn't outflanking they're desperately trying to wrangle their reactionary hog base who are still deep into the zioDons cult.
Gunning down brown kids for DECADES as a machine gunner and rejoining the military 5 times to do this then becoming a contractor doing it while saying how you love war and killing browns is less bad to libs than some white lady therapist saying some mean stuff about Zionist
Hopeless situation
>>2820036>it's crazy that USA "leftists" are allowing themselves to be outflanked on antizionism by fascistsoutflaked?
by who.
show me the numbers.
I'll show you some others.
>>2820257I'm sure the rank and file repubs would go along with any plan that kicks jews out of country clubs and makes their business interests and real estate holdings available for purchase.
the right doesn't want to pay for bibi's war and are fair weather friends at best. the political situation for wealthy zionists could 180 real fucking fast. the more switched on chuds hedging against the adelsons is really interesting.
>>2820302can you prove that tucker carlson isn't the antizionist with the largest platform in american media?
>>2820311You mean in Russian media
>>2820311 >but, but, but tucker! A gifter that's going to fail in wrangling the hogs and will become a bidenist democrat in 2 years. Similar fate as Richard Spencer. Tucker himself said that he's trying to salvage the republican party post trump and is clearly failing.
>>2820318He’s objectively more anti-imperialist than leftypol darling Ziohran. But I get it, he’s not politically correct enough for your tastes
>>2820257> Where was the right when Biden was cracking down on Palestine activists? Cheering him on.yeah cuz biden = the right. they keep us arguing about the "right" and "left" wings of a fundamentally righ wing system.
>>2820311can you prove he is.
"the antizionist with the largest platform in american media"
and stop deflecting, rarted individual.
>>2820315you are also a rarted individual.
>>2820320>>2820318>>2820315>muh tucker>muh zohranboil all reformists, boil all people who cheerlead and argue over their favorite bourgeois-political celebrities. build an independent working class party or die
>>2820293reminder the ball room is a bunker by his own admission
>>2820282Current human civilization will not survive the end of this century without fundamental changes
>>2820357That tongue in that last one goes is insane.
>>2820399I like your Xi Jinping profile pic lol
Burger Reikkk Breaking Noose
Lutnick Donated $5 Million to House Republicans Before Epstein Testimonyhttps://archive.ph/0wsbHHoward Lutnick, the commerce secretary, made the donation after agreeing to an interview with lawmakers about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
‘They Were Afraid It Would Pass’: House GOP Cancels Iran War Powers Vote for Second Straight Dayhttps://archive.ph/AfUaxAfter four US Senate Republicans on Tuesday helped Democrats advance a war powers resolution intended to halt President Donald Trump’s illegal war on Iran, GOP leadership in the House of Representatives canceled a similar vote on Wednesday, and again on Thursday.
Judge dismisses criminal charges against Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deportedhttps://archive.ph/nLktOA human smuggling case against Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whose mistaken deportation helped galvanize opposition to President Donald Trump’s immigration policies, was thrown out Friday.
White House secretly ‘freaked’ about potential of breaking $5.02 gas record set under Bidenhttps://archive.ph/6Or3lThe mood inside the White House is reportedly tense as officials fear the ongoing war with Iran could push gas prices beyond the $5.02 a gallon record set under the Biden administration.
Maintaining low gas prices, a policy President Donald Trump campaigned on, had been a key talking point for the White House up until the president chose to start a war with Iran, causing the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a major traffic hub of oil, which led to higher oil prices.
>>2820395Basically shit is about to happen in the next couple of days. Tulsi just resigned, Trump canceling his Jersey plans, Officials are canceling Holiday plans, Ivanka assassination plot foiled and being blamed on Iran, Raul Castro and looking to invade Cuba, etc. All of this in one day and it shows these next days is about to be explosive
honkoid status?
>>2820328nice thumbnail retard.
>>2820409Ivanka is also just about the only person other than himself that Trump cares about. And to make things worse, the stock markets are closed for the weekend. Nothing is holding Trump back from going scorched earth not just on Iran and Cuba but everyone and everything else that he wants to target. Greenland, Minneapolis, NYC, etc. An age of Dark MAGA is dawning
>>2820434It’d be funny that right when Rubio gets his chubby at the thought of invading Cuba, Trump demands an invasion of Greenland.
Like a series of subsequent disasters/distractions that never give Rubio his wish.
>>2820438Oh he's going to invade Cuba too. And Panama. And maybe Bolivia, who the fuck knows? All we know is he's gonna crash out HARD this weekend
…either that or he uses the opportunity to plug some crypto currency bullshit. Or his ballroom.
>>2820439Doesn’t he usually do something stupid around holidays? I thought that was one of his patterns.
taco
neh
>>2820429Madman go for it and officially make the American-European split finally happen. Damage on the scale of the Sino-Soviet split
>>2820403Looks like DraftKings. I don't understand how to read the odds on that compared to Polymarket.
>>2820402There's a Poly guy named Chims who is Chinese (I think) and trades on Xi Jinping stuff and never loses. Like will Xi do this, do that, announce this, or not. I've copied him a bit:
https://polymarketanalytics.com/traders/0xeec50edede5d961efb02e20bfd3275dd1e7fb6fe#chart >>2820282>Iranian armed forces impotentThey're currently holding the world oil supply hostage while the US has proven physically incapable of stopping them or even producing enough ammunition to keep fighting. Honestly the debacle in Iran alone probably more than makes up for any other gains they've made.
>>2820399Why do people think that gambling addicts are oracles?
>>2820439neither will get invaded after this humiliating foray into persia
>>2820453they don't, it's just content and this thread is already /ISG2/ in all but name
>>2820450he won't do shit. he's just an 80 year old memer who spams you with soyjaks of you hanging yourself
>>2820450Europe would not split with the USA over it. They'd make strongly worded statements and then take it up the ass.
>>2820464They are the only actually oppressed demographic in the west but it's not because of slurs.
>>2820464As much as you're right that trans people are objectively the most oppressed, many on the left these days also have trans fatigue because they have a tendency to hijack discussions and platforms and suck all the air out of the room. It's hard to be taken seriously as a movement when your protests are full of masc trans women in dresses and fursuits while everyone else is dressed up in facemasks and hoodies trying to agitate against the state.
Maybe trans people should lay low for a few years until we get the whole abolishing capitalism thing sorted out. Idunno. Or just be less flamboyant and more serious in the activism front. Just because you're trans doesn't mean you HAVE to wear a tutu to fight Capitalism. I mean even cis women don't do that. Just be…normal?
I probably sound like a reactionary that just hates trans people but eh, it's a common sentiment in the online circles I'm in. Too much activism in the west is just some narcissistic performative bullshit that distracts from the actual movement.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2820470The problem is the CIA has spent a large amount of resources successfully shaping transgender culture to be repulsive to normies. This, and the fact that a large number of middle-upper class white women love the idea of being vocally trans, changing their pronouns from she/her to they/them but never taking hormones, and then acting as obnoxious as possible to the detriment of transmen/transwomen, has made it very easy for republicans to create their ultimate scapegoat.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2820464>tweet deletedKWAB
>>2820466Proletariat is the most oppressed demographic.
>>2820453Because im not a dumfuck democrat and i grasp fact that money rules amerikan politics. Wall street is right. Platner's seat was promised last november.
>>2820505these were the same people rioting about applebees being closed during covid
>>2820505They're having lunch discourse over there for some reason. It's probably some austerity psyop about making do with less.
>>2820429the most threatening thing about this is that he's a pedophile. they made a poster of him mid grope. is the threat that he's going to touch their kids?
>>2820470I could have agreed if didnt live through the BLM era, the rich brown diaspora talking about white privilege era and the #MeToo buzzfeed radical feminism manspreading era. They are actually quite tame and polite in comparison. Even their most annoying histrionics were just borrowed from the formers, not something homegrown.
I don't think the feds or wathever have anything to do with super online trans people behaving like retarded queers though.
Leftists invoke pupper master kabals way too much when things are simply what they look like most of the time.
>>2820017Trump posted this today.
He's back at it on Greenland.
>>2820698lol grandpa's bored with the nothingburger war so he's coping
>>2820679>while everyone else is dressed up in facemasks and hoodies trying to agitate against the state.lol what
"everyone else" right now is in a fucking spirit halloween frog costume holding a cardboard sign
>>2820505You know your country is going well when you have to tell people that they shouldn't complain about not having food.
>>2820732Ark Encounter has been a thing for a while, made by the same folks who made the Creation Museum. The whole premise is fucking ridiculous: apparently being able to build a replica of the Ark from the Bible using modern technology is proof that Noah could have done it using bronze age technology?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ark_EncounterAnd yes I'm aware rationalwiki are the libtardiest of libtards, but their articles about creationism tend to be pretty good and this one in particular highlights just how pathetic the whole thing is
>>2820505This sounds like Great Depression discourse
>>2820505>kraft singles on white bread with milkwhy do boomers do this to themselves lmfaoooo
>>2820700Idk, It's nice to see him use good old photoshop instead of AI.
>>2820747They get all the endorphins they need from outrageslop, doesn't matter if they're a walking corpse as long as they can consooom more Fox News etc
>>2820739I don't find any error in the presupposition that Noah could have built an ark (since the seven wonders of the world were also ancient), its only the insistence that literally every species could fit on board, as the whole world was destroyed.
>>2820739There's even that huge skeletal Ark down in Frostburg, it was built in 1976 and never completed. It's not my favorite insane Christian statue, though, that was Touchdown Jesus, rip.
>same folks who made the Creation MuseumIs that the place with animatronic dinosaurs hanging out with Adam and Eve?
>>2820780Surprised they believe in dinosaurs, usually these types think the bones are from giants.
>>2820782The new idea is that dinosaurs were made extinct by the flood
>>2820786Why did Noah let them die ? Wtf was his problem ?
Also how do they explain the fish ?
>>2820782>usually these types think the bones are from giantsI know several people who think the bones were put there by Satan to try and trick Christians.
>>2820790Ive heard that dinosaurs were genetically impure or something like that, so they werent allowed in the ark; they are a hybrid species.
>>2820746It is, and yet some people (shitlibs) still delude themselves that the young, the most affected, are moving towards the administration in power. They delude themselves that everyone in this country is rich, and that the united states is not breaking down. It is ridiculous.
I support the Galindo thing
>>2820815Okay Electoralist. And in Texas of all places, shut up.
>>2820732>>2820739you would be surprised that thousands go and visit the ark encounter, though in decline, I am surprised that so many people would really spend +$45 (plus taxes) a ticket to see an whole giant bullshit.
also, it's obvious that someone is shelling a lot of money. for the number of visitors, I am quite confident in saying that you can't keep it looking so good for years on end, which makes me believe, its purpose was never to function as an amusement park, but as a vestige of radical christian fundamentalism outlook of opulence.
>>2820817>shut upyour zionist tactics wont work this time, godess empress galindo will jail you, proletarians around the world will celebrate
>goddess empress galindoworst psyop ever, tbh.
>>2820505>>2820633lol, they are going to eat ze donkey (starting with their 'chota') and be happy about it.
yup, there's a massive psyop coverup, trying to portray that back in the day we wuz eating ze bugs for the youngsters.
we moved from
"back in me day, I worked, raised a family of 6, bought a house, all before 25 years old, you just need to finish college, and work hard"
to
"you eating ze bugs with ketchup? we were eating ze bugs without ketchup!"
>>2820840>White people 5 more likely to think than being a fewer share of demograhics is a good thing rather than a bad thing>Black people more likely to think that having a fewer proportion of White people is a bad thing rather than a good thingWhat do burgers mean by this?
>>2820840>>2820848Where is this poll from
>>2820845>"back in me day, I worked, raised a family of 6, bought a house, all before 25 years old, you just need to finish college, and work hard">to>"you eating ze bugs with ketchup? we were eating ze bugs without ketchup!"those two are the same psy op. you just don't realize it yet. the former ignores that US capitalism had unchallenged hegemony after WW2 and could afford to delay class struggle by outsourcing misery. Boomers got to buy houses at 25 because they were born in the postwar boom. But their own grandparents yelled at them for having it easy, because they were fighting in world wars, mining the ores, dying in the factories, living in the tenements, eating the porridge.
>>2820848Because of stuff like this:
Latino Gang Charged With Racial Cleansing Attacks in California Townabcnews.com/amp/US/latino-gang-charged-racial-cleansing-california-town/story%3fid=13794815
Or how the gusanos in South FL treats black people. So some unironically see whites as the lesser evil because they still want to make amends from the past and don't want to be racist. So the poll even reinforce the mentality that white people want to kumbayah
>>2820859>everyone's a mutt chad now.>nowWhat do you mean now? It always was
>>2820864This poll but that anon has to upload where he got it from
>>2820840 >>2820870The ballroom stare
1,000-year burgerreich status?
>>2820880Running on empty
Out of gas
>>2820880boutta usher in the worst global recession in history
>>2820886based pope leo. im a catholic now
>>2820840>Doesn't make much of a difference>71% of all demographicsBASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
TOTAL ABOLITION OF RACE SPOOKS ACHIEVED
CLASS IS NEXT
>>2820886Where did you find it? I just read on Wikipedia that it's being published on the 25th of May.
>>2820906>1:54>it's from an aerospace manufacturing facility>it's a chemical tank that produces toxic epoxy used for the windscreens on fighter jets>a cooling system failed>the leaking tank will explode if firefights don't spray it with water nonstop>so the option is either for epoxy to be everywhere, or for it to leak slowly from the tank and down the street in diluted form with lots of water, probably seeping into the groundwaterbut it's worth it, right, burgers? it's worth it to have high paying MIC jobs, right?
>>2820854>>2820865>>2820864The poll is from the new york times. They have a regional breakdown too, the Midwest and West cares the least about white replacement
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/05/21/polls/times-siena-national-poll-crosstabs.html >>2820906Reminds me that there's an old Rocketdyne test facility in Simi Valley that may have some unattended toxic waste in it because the city doesn't want to spend the money to clean it.
>>2820848>>2820862Blew my mind when I saw how bitter some race relations can be between Hispanics and Black people. Lots of "they aren't your friend" mentality all around, one side making some horrendous racist statements and another getting schadenfreude over ICE excesses.
>>2820840You'd have to be clinically insane to give a shit about MUH WHITE REPLACEMENT
>>2820840Told you zoomers were more chuddish than average.
>>2820767My counterpoint to that is the Great Pyramids were built with the help of an endless supply of manual labor, since it was an official state project. By contrast the Ark was according to the Bible constructed pretty much just by Noah and his immediate family, in what was basically the same timeframe.
>>2820822Now that it's officially got government funding thanks to thanks to Mike Johnson expect a lot more bullshit from the Answers in Genesis crowd in the near future. They're supposedly planning on adding a replica Tower of Babel, which I feel like kinda sends mixed messages but then again I'm not a Christian so what the fuck do I know
>>2820780>Is that the place with animatronic dinosaurs hanging out with Adam and Eve?The very same! As well as schizo shit like Adam and Eve hanging out with penguins, bizarre dino facts, and a bunch of moral panic bullshit. It is by all accounts a surreal experience. Oh and by the way, "pre-fall" they believe T-Rex ate coconuts, and that's why it had big teeth.
>>2820782>>2820790>>2820786The actual fate of the dinosaurs varies depending on which creationists you ask, there's some who say that a small amount were taken aboard the arc and managed to survive even until early feudal times. And they were also able to breath fire, which is where legends about dragons come from and why dragons are mentioned in the Bible. Oh and also the legend of St George and the Dragon is based on a real battle with one of the last surviving dinosaurs.
>>2820947USA Protestant Young Earth Creationists are literally retarded even as far as abrahamoids go. The Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun had a theory of man's descent from apes as well as a labor theory of value all the way back when he wrote the Muqadimmah in 1377. These people are trying to rationalize old testament stories that even some early Christians accepted as mythological, metaphorical, or at the very least gradual exaggerations of real events.
>>2820953Buddy dont I know it. I go to Disney World on a regular basis with my family (once every couple of years or so) and back when it was still a thing we'd drive by the Holy Land Experience, an evangelical Christian theme park of sorts that presented the ancient Middle East from a fundamentalist Christian perspective. I think it was owned by Trinity Broadcasting Network at one point. No thrill rides or anything, but you'd see some pretty decent reconstructions of ancient Palestine along with some stage shows that would show events from the Bible. It also offered AVTHENTIC ancient Judean dishes such as…chocolate cheesecake pumpkin pie and bacon breasted goose.
I'm usually a live or let live person regarding personal beliefs, but American evangelical Christianity needs to be ruthlessly expunged. It's just pure brainrot and consumerism given flimsy theological justification. Hell I'd go as far as to say that I'd side with Felix wrt liquidating the clergy of such institutions
>>2820947That mesohippus? is so pretty I almost didn't notice the fucking penguin.
>>2820953>>2820947>>2820962Something kind of interesting is that teaching Evolution basically is just a problem for Religious sects with textual-literalist strains. The Catholic Church accepted Evolution as scientific fact fairly early. Iran similarly, despite being a theocratic regime, has no problem teaching Evolution; with some pointing to the historical dominance of Ash'ari interpretations of Sunni Islam which emphasize both the primacy of the Qur'an but also a theological worldview in which God takes an active role in the day to day functioning of natural phenomena: like if you light a fire then the only reason the fire lights is because God wills it so.
I think more "mystical" strains of religious thought can adapt to material reality better because it isn't dependent on religious scripture being material fact. I think its ultimately what leads to Evangelicalism adopting a death cult approach because they think they can accelerate the apocalypse by following a checklist of Biblical prophecy.
>>2820972Outright denial of evolution seems to be a uniquely American Christian set of brain worms. Everywhere else in the world all but the most reactionary of reactionary of religious adherents acknowledge evolution in some way or another, they may disagree on the timeframe or argue that God had a hand in things or if you're Hindu or Buddhist that the universe is actually several trillion years old with humans being around for much longer than accepted, but they dont deny basic scientific facts and the cosmology isn't meant to be taken as something to build a scientific worldview off of anyways. Jainist doctrine might teach that the first tirthankara (Sanskrit for "very good boy") lived 592 quintillion years ago (yes seriously) but if you present them with the scientific consensus on the age of the earth and the evolution of the universe they're not going to disagree with it either. By contrast American fundamentalist Christians think that everything MUST conform to their very literalist interpretation of the Biblical calendar where existence itself begins 6000 years ago despite all evidence to the contrary. Hell one common argument creationists like to throw around is that God created the universe with "apparent age" which is why it seems like when we observe stars and such using our eyes it would give the impression of a much older universe if we factor in the speed of light. So God is literally fucking with us.
Actually speaking of the Jains, they were dunking on creationism even back in the 9th century. To wit
>Some foolish men declare that creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill advised and should be rejected. If God created the world, where was he before the creation? If you say he was transcendent then and needed no support, where is he now? How could God have made this world without any raw material? If you say that he made this first, and then the world, you are faced with an endless regression. If you declare that this raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, For the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have arisen quite naturally. If God created the world by an act of his own will, without any raw material, then it is just his will and nothing else — and who will believe this silly nonsense? If he is ever perfect and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could. If he is form-less, action-less and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all morality, would have no desire to create anything. If he is perfect, he does not strive for the three aims of man, so what advantage would he gain by creating the universe? If you say that he created to no purpose because it was his nature to do so, then God is pointless. If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble. If he created because of the karma of embodied beings [acquired in a previous creation] He is not the Almighty Lord, but subordinate to something else. If out of love for living beings and need of them he made the world, why did he not take creation wholly blissful free from misfortune? If he were transcendent he would not create, for he would be free: Nor if involved in transmigration, for then he would not be almighty. Thus the doctrine that the world was created by God makes no sense at all, And God commits great sin in slaying the children whom he himself created. If you say that he slays only to destroy evil beings, why did he create such beings in the first place? Good men should combat the believer in divine creation, maddened by an evil doctrine. Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without beginning or end, and is based on the principles, life and rest. Uncreated and indestructible, it endures under the compulsion of its own nature.
> Pete Hegseth tells West Point graduates you are 'not an army of woke'
haha
>>2820991To be fair, in Sunni countries influenced by Wahhabism, Evolution is kind of reserved for college level courses and taught with some hesitance, that's why I mentioned Iran having no problem teaching it: they're up to global educational standards on stuff like biology while some Sunni regions lag behind.
>>2821025the hexbears are now pro empanada, it's joever for hasanites
>>2821023extremely common Galindo W
so what are you guys gonna say when Galindo loses
probably nothing
>>2820947>>2820962>>2820972The thing about religion is it's flexible. So it can move "Forwards" but also "Backwards". It keeps changing to match the vibe of the age, whether that vibe is revolutionary, reformist, or reactionary. Religion is superstructural.
Abrahamic religions worship Yahweh, an ancient war and storm deity, whose consort was Asherah, and who was part of a larger pantheon. His ascent to the abstract God of World Monotheism came much later. King Josiah purged Yahweh's wife and her female priesthood from the temple in Jerusalem in the 600s BCE, long after the supposed events in Exodus where Moses killed all the Hebrews who worshipped Ba'al. So Jews were "Polytheistic" long after the Exodus, but that history has was retconned and only rediscovered thanks to archeology in the Levant.
>>2821044I agree with your point here, but imagine just how much seething the creator of this soyjak had to be experiencing to craft this piece.
>>2821034i will celebrate
>>2821075>>2821079Sounds like suicide by cop
>>2821081A person can do that in any city, but to do it in DC, close to the WH… raises an eyebrow, no?
>>2821075>>2821079>>2821082>>2821081I think Trump’s kind of created circumstances similar to school shooters who think if they freak out and try to shoot him, they’ll get infamy.
Like it might not even be for political reasons, his assassin could just want to be famous.
>>2821075>>2821079Love to see it. One of these days it'll work.
>>2821088It wont though. The retarded americans hyperfocus on guns and you're not going to outgun the state as an individual.
It's all fetishisation of the gun. If they really cared to kill the fucker they'd be better to get a bottle of cyanide and a job at the nearest maccies.
>>2821088not by attacking the fucking white house
>>2821091the baddie is OK, i repeat the baddie is ok. word on the ground is the cameraman received a physical embrace triggered by her fear response to the life-endangering situation
>>2821091Damn, pretty sure she is pregnant too
GUN FIRE OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE
>>2821109you're late, we see above
>>2821085Jane Fonda here we come!
>>2821025better than leftypol
>>2820505kevin o leary is like "peasants should eat like peasants. know your place, trash" and rightoids are like "right on it sir"
>>2821109>>2821112QUICK! WHAT'S THE MOST RETARDED EXPLANATION???
>>2820017massie deserves everything that has happened to him he has consistently backed the republiKKKan party on everything they have done except israel and iran which is good but its too little too late you cant just spend your whole life backing retarded craKKKas then last sec go
>"WELL ACKTUALLY IM BASED NOW AND I HATE ISRAEL"thats not how it works
>>2821162same thing with MTG
>>2821133don't even recall where I got it but have this tupperware thing that is meant for microwaving rice. it's extremely cursed.
>>2820936>>2820927The more chronically online you are the more likely you are to believe in something nonsensical as white replacement. It was always fearmongering particularly in the US. Most white people don't even see any demographic changes in their small towns,New England,etc. They only see some visa workers but that isn't replacement. Also all groups pretty much have the same birthrate vs the white replacement dweebs that exaggerated and reported that muh blacks and Hispanics were on welfare having 6 kids taking from white taxpayers. It is absolutely ridiculous to believe it
>>2821167>don't even recall where I got it but have this tupperware thing that is meant for microwaving rice. it's extremely cursed.Tell me it was a gift, anon.
I wanna start a trotskyist communist party split from all the other ones but idk how to
>>2821088If it ever does work it'll be the funniest day on the internet probably ever. Imagine the charlie kirk day x1000.
>>2821200This is a lie, anyone working by that much doesn’t have time for sex
>>2821210That’s true of every word out of his mouth at all, let alone on X the everything app (tm)
No mention of the White House shooter? What do you anons think? False-flag?
>>2821242this admin is so retarded that some coked out roid rage ptsd cte havin ass guard probably got spooked by a homeless person and shot them or something
>>2821219>It’s all a psyop to protect capitalism.That is why all settlers must leave for socialism to be realized. They introduced their race caste upon the indigenous lands
>>2821256Once again this "Settlers" spookery is simply taking the conclusions of White Supremacists at face and just turning them on their head. It's literally the same bullshit.
What people should do is simply reject the category of race and gender altogether.
Like
>>2821219 said:
>There’s no such thing as “race” and no such thing as “white (or Han or Yamato or Hindu or whatever) replacement”. “One drop rule” is a lie. “Miscegenation” is not real. It’s all a psyop to protect capitalism. >>2821269>Piker and Benjamin are among those caught in a federal inquiry into whether activists who traveled to Cuba in March violated U.S. sanctions laws through the financing, coordination or delivery of goods to Cuba, including potential contacts with Cuban government personnel or entities on the islandBruh moment
>>2821269Lol told you. You dumb idiots gonna see the future arrests and go holy crap juche was real? Yep. Way More coming. Gonna be great. We told you no more little lefty clubs running to enemy countries. NSPM7 says that's terrorism investigation now. An anarchist flying to north korea, a socialist flying to cuba, that's as serious as an islamic radical flying to the middle east frequently. it can get you on a list to be disrupted, attacked, and neutralized.
>>2821269along with based Medea Benjamin, from Code Pink.
he's getting insanely based.
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>>2821126>1 piece of bologna>1 piece of wonder bread>1 slice of Velveeta prepared essence of cheese productWith a mustard packet stolen from the gas station, that's 3 meals.
>>2821280you lefties were also saying antifa wasnt real. ive gotten called schizo by dumbass lefties for saying antifa are rioting.
>>2821285Fuck the American government, may all your trash cans burn
>>2821285are the antifa in the room with us right now?
>>2821275aunteefah isn't real. name their leader.
>>2821269shits gettin bad in the you ess of ayy
>>2821284Nothing moralist
>>2821298Nah, I Just get a bad vibe honestly. We are being forcefed coomshit.
Memorial Day coming up, I want to watch more combat footage of Epstein's Finest getting killed. I just watched the Tongo Tongo ambush helmet cam footage, it was a good one, I'm wondering what other ones I should look for. Either Americans getting killed, or post-combat footage showing dead Americans after they've been defeated.
>>2821299>two conventionally attractive female characters exist<OMG COOMERBAIT!!!I'm going to become the Joker
>>2821261>What people should do is simply reject the category of race and gender altogether. Colonizers resort to abstraction such as this because they are theoretically bankrupt. Cracker and zionist are material class, not abstract identity. None of your trickonometry does away with material reality of colonizer class. Only zionist say, "zionists are not real." Only crackers say, "crackers are not real." Zionists must be put into camps. Crackers must be put in camps. It is the only way for socialism.
>>2821305Because sexy women make my peepee hard and rather than masturbating like a normal person I have to make my sexual repression everyone else's problem
>>2821308>Cracker and zionist are material classtruke
>>2821284add to this that totally spies is getting a reboot, and we're back to the bush years in terms of horny cartoons
>>2821305I am not offended by them, I just don't want chuds to win.
>>2821311And if you’re getting hard and NEEDING to jack it every time you see a depiction of a woman, cis or trans, you probably need medical attention, there’s probably a hormonal imbalance or a neurological issue
>getting hard and NEEDING to jack it every time you see a depiction of a woman
ivan_drago_edit_number_1917.mp4
>>2821261>Once again this "Settlers" spookeryGuess Zionist settlers are not a materialist class position but a simple spookery. Palestinians should know better
>>2820972Wrong. You slander Iranian Revolution. You counter-revolutionary. Theocracy is rule by divine rights without consent of people like what catholics and those they colpnize know. Iran isnt a theocratic regime. Iran is divinely ordained revolutionary democratic peoples republic. Your party colludes with ziocommunist ICP maki to kill babies. Your other theories are also wrong.
>>2821305zoomers are extremely puritan it's weird as fuck.
I blame the huge wave of puritan "social justice" type shit infesting media in the 2010's and 2020's that basically defined attractive/sexy women as evil.
>>2821305that depends on what 'clothes' you refer to.
see, everything humans do is language. some is verbal language, some is non-verbal language; but both are encompassed in the general category of language.
clothing, despite the screeching of some people, is language. non-verbal language, but language nonetheless. you see a person in a uniform and you say: huh, it's a cop, a soldier, a military personal, security guy, a pinkerton, whatever. you see a guy in suit, you think of a businessman, a ceo, a high-ranking politician, etc. you see a person full black, with spiked hair, rubber boots, you will automatically think the guy is a metal head.
in women…
you show skin, that's also non-verbal language, that it's often associated with sex. short skirts, cleavage, high heels, make up, parfum, tight jeans, showing a flat athletic belly button, all of that send signals to men that you are open for a relationship or on the look out for a partner.
And don't take me wrong, I will never blame women for getting raped, groomed, etc. it's an abysmal failure that you can blame on society at a general level for not teaching men how to control impulses, then to men at individual level for not managing their emotions, because they are not understanding when a no it's a no.
a sexy woman, for all I care, can walk in front on me naked at the sub, on the street, in a pool, on the beach, if she didn't even see me, I fucking stay away. and all men should do the same.
>>2821275hey piggie, I'm not part of the juche cult you obsess with but I do want to remind you that the entire world is only guilty of self defense against america's genocidal imperialism. maybe you the US government should not have killed 20% of koreans and bombed their infrastructure, schools, hospitals, sanitation, and electrical grid to smithereens after cutting their country in half, establishing a military dictatorship in their country (see: Syngman rhee) and rigging elections against the workers' party if they didn't want DPRK to hate america with a flaming passion? like you would do way worse if the same thing happened to your country. I can already tell because you attack people who didn't do anything to you for a living.
>>2821256i'm mixed and neither ireland nor "africa" want either side of me back. you're stuck with my potato-famine refugee-descended and slave-desceneded ass. sorry sakaioids.
>>2821321truly they are our 51st state
>>2821318>chuds winning is when sexy women existi unironically hate this timeline
>>2821117hexbear/lemmygrad and leftypol both serve different purposes in the online "left". i will not elaborate. you can figure out what those purposes are pretty easily
>>2821335women seemingly have a lot more of clothing signifying "sexually available", very revealing that your non-sexualized examples of clothing signifiers are, like, mostly male occupations. like god forbid a woman wears high heels in the office because then people's brains will skip past "executive" and land squarely on "prostitute" or something lol
>>2821305it's the flipside of widespread women objectification obviously. it strikes me as a failure of 21st century feminism that instead of questioning how women's bodies are sexualized by default, zoomies are inventing a woke/secular equivalent of sharia law and now are demanding that all depictions of women to be covered up lmfao.
>>2821347to a communist an executive is held in lower esteem than a prostitute, because the latter is exploited, and the former is an exploiter
>>2821345hexbear and lemmygrad look to be just marxist reddit tbh
>>2821353that was obviously a charitable example, because like 80% of those examples are also normal-ass summer clothing too. the point is that lots of articles of clothing have been fetishised, charged with overt sexual signifiers, and if anon alleges that these signifiers have been socially convened, then it's probably worth examining them, instead of taking the stupidest path possible and denounce cartoons.
Federal officials have served subpoenas to Marxist political influencer Hasan Piker and CodePink cofounder Susan Medea Benjamin as part of a wider investigation into whether U.S. organizations and leaders violated U.S. laws and sanctions in supporting Cuba's communist regime, Fox News Digital has learned
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/feds-subpoena-hasan-piker-medea-benjamin-over-cuba-tripsUff
>>2821308Shut up schizo. You are a retard, and those are not classes you retard. Read Marx.
>>2821315Those are not classes you spooked retards.
Stop believing the the race spook you dumbasses. The enemy is the bourgeoisie/capitalist class, not any made up race nonsense you still believe in thanks to the FBI agent Sakai and their fake Maoist BS.
>>2821342Treatlerite settler all the same. Ireland will take you back
>>2821377Yeah, where does this settler discourse come from? Where do you get your theory from?
you ever wonder if the bourg will abolish capitalism and establish luxary gay space communism for themselves. WHile leaving the rest of us to die to climate change
>>2821397the bourgeois are incapable of even getting along with eachother. their hunger for resources and power can only ever lead to destruction and collapse.
>>2821473ur reposting comics drawn by a literal neo-Nazi, they're not supposed to make sense just appeal to emotion
>>2821478>was talking about a form of American retardation, only to be confronted with another form of American retardationYou have the same simplistic mindset as Ben Garrison, just like most left-wing Western thinkers. To you Fascism and Nazism are magical ideologies of the Antichrist, so to you a retarded Libertarian is a Nazi, I'm sure your father and mother are also Nazi's
>>2821305Too much sensuality is traumatic for ppl who have had bad sexual experiences. Not the woman's fault as much as society's. Rape culture than bombardment of pedophila apologia and hypersexuality in everyday life.
>>2821305sex positive feminism was killed by right wing think tanks and non-profit collaboration over the last 20 years
>2821486
i was going to give you an actual reply until i remembered ur a nazi troll and i have free will, so fuck u
>>2821501actually it is your fault if you turn your trauma into everyone else's problem. go to therapy instead of trying to turn the world into your safe space. overcoming trauma means being able to live a normal life despite your trauma, not letting it dominate your worldview for the rest of your life.
>>2821486NTA but American "libertarians" and neo-Nazis have a lot of crossover. A lot of the former turn into the latter. The fundamental basis of American "libertarian" ideology is social darwinism which is under the same umbrella as fascist and racial supremacist ideology.
Ron Paul ran a newspaper that platformed white supremacists.
My guess is you were posting on /pol/ <10 years ago which is why you're so defensive about this, lol.
>>2821517Indian twitter chuds are a mistake.
I feel like Elon probably gets some sick satisfaction out of knowing his entire fanbase are H1B beggars whose legal status in the US depends on worshiping him.
>>2821524This guys is a Quebecois actually
>>2821517>>2821524This may sound bad, but I have the least pity in my heart for upwardly mobile Indian tech workers compared to other immigrants. They legit could have had a decent life anywhere, honestly
>>2821517Who is this guy?
>>2821518I'm Pakistani you retarded american/americanized retard, I don't think the party that supported queer rights and abortions before everyone else are jack booted neo-Nazis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)#Political_positions >>2821560okay… what does have with the actual positions of the American Libertarian party who openly endorse those positions, I really don't care of the "lol Nazis/Islamists are secretly gay"
>>2821566The point being that fascism and faggotry are two sides of the same Zionist coin and incompatible with a dialectical materialist worldview?
>>2821374Luxembourg was a german reactionary for denying polish and ukrainian identity
>>2821567This is what I mean, Fascism is just a natural evolution of Sorelian syndicalism, that’s literally where much of its terminology comes from and it emerged from the material conditions of Italy and Germany. Zionism on the other hand comes out of the Enlightenment and the post-Napoleonic idea of nation-states. There can be Fascist strains of Zionism and socialist strains of Zionism. I oppose all strains of it but pretending that Zionism itself is fascism is absurd. but that doesn't matter cause it's magic to you, it's what I mean when I said the illiterate man in my country has a better more grounded understanding of politics then westerner's both on the right and left.
>>2821545I like immigrants in terms of what they bring to local communities like culture and identity etc but they pretty much only come to the US to drive down labor costs. Any Socialist in the US should on principle oppose mass immigration especially any kind of labor based immigration system. The H1B system pretty much just exists so tech workers can't unionize. These immigrants are chasing their own class interests, wanting to uplift themselves from the third world to the first world, but it comes at the expense of American labor. So I don't really have contempt for them beyond seeing them as scabs.
But the arrogance of Twitter H1B fans makes me wish endless misfortune upon them. Those twitter threads about H1B's "uplifting" America is just a bunch of Musk fans circlejerking over how much more hardworking they are than Americans and how Americans are lucky to have them etc. Fuck them lol.
>>2821574>There can be Fascist strains of Zionism and socialist strains of Zionism.Explain the difference between Fascist Zionism and Socialist Zionism while also maintaining the ethnonationalist identity. You can't. All ethnonationalism is fascism.
>>2821582>>2821582The Entire eastern block and every socialist in MENA is Fascist then
>>2821553A MAGA techtard that larp about being a tech millionaire
>>2821588Don't bother, this is his satan that needs to be defeated with holy water.
>>2821584the USSR was not ethnonationalist in the least, at least not until post-Kruschev. in fact a large part of its history involved fighting against ethnonationalists within the various SSR's in favor of a unified Soviet identity.
MENA socialists are not always ethnonationalist. It's just only the ethnonationalists get funded by the CIA.
>>2821574hardly natural but in parts yeah i see what you mean, sorel largely realized this following the first world war and basically condemned national syndicalism, and correct that zionism is not inherently fascist, as it's no more fascist than czechoslovakism, or any other 19th century liberal nationalist movement
>>2821591>MENA socialists are not always ethnonationalist. It's just only the ethnonationalists get funded by the CIA.all the relevant one's that existed were ethnonationalist.
>>2821592So your getting some sense, I hope you can continue to remove your religious view of politics as many westerner's have
>>2821591An unbreakable union of free republics, Great Russia has sealed forever
>>2821594>all the relevant one's that existed were ethnonationalist. anti-colonialism is not the same thing as ethnonationalism.
>>2821594>So your getting some sense, I hope you can continue to remove your religious view of politics as many westerner's havedifferent guy but yeah, i generally think people are too eager to pretend that this is just like the 20s or the 30s, and so on
>>2821591every singular MENA, pro-west or opposed to it, is ethnonationalist, with technical exceptions
>>2821597You really Saddam and Assad ever read some diaspora post-colonial authors?
>>2821597did the algerians attempt to construct a new national identity, or did they simply reinforce the arab algerians over the berber algerians, and put them as the pinnacle of the state? or was the baathists not simply not prioritizing their respective ethnic groups? there is no true multiethnic government in the region
>>2821603And more importantly the whole government was run by former Army officers, who ironically were Francophiles by habit.
>>2821603>or did they simply reinforce the arab algerians over the berber algerians98% of Algerians are berber anon
>>2821618genetically yeah most of them are descended of berbers, that i can tell you, but most of them are culturally arab, and have always emphasized that fact, it was only after the civil war that they actually started to be proud of that fact, you missed the amazon rainforest for a singular tree there, son
>>2821603>there is no true multiethnic government in the regionI would say you're not wrong but I wouldn't consider it the same as Israeli ethnonationalism or consider it explicitly ethnic-focused. As a minority in Algeria you're afforded all the same rights as Arabs by the state. You may be discriminated against by individuals but the discrimination is not systemic as Arabs don't have any special preferences in the Algerian constitution. The same can't be said for Israel, which explicitly calls itself the Jewish State and openly discriminates against non-Jews and engages in foreign policy on behalf of and with a paternalistic level of control towards the entire global Jewish community. The gulf monarchies also behave this way viewing themselves as representing the entire Arab world, but Arab socialists do not. I guess you could say they're the "less bad" strain of arab nationalism compared to arab monarchies or islamists. It's also that, when multi-ethnic MENA socialists do pop up they're just destroyed by Islamists/Mossad. A lot of the time those socialists rely on pan-arab identity to avoid the political poison apple of being considered anti-islam.
tl;dr you're right but I don't like it
>>2821619>but most of them are culturally arabTheir arab culture is like a creole of berber, french and bootleg arabic stuff. It's completely different from actual arabs. It's like saying Iranians are arabs.
>>2821626To be fair to that anon Algerians often consider themselves Arab even if their culture is a very bastardized version of Arab. I tried to explain it to my mom and she refused to acknowledge not being Arab. Arab identity is seemingly tied to being Muslim and engaging with the Arab world.
>>2821629Fair enough. My contact with Algerians have been mostly with people from originating from the Kabylia region so it might have clouded my jusgement.
>>2821625>Israeli ethnonationalism or consider it explicitly ethnic-focusedThat is because it is a pan-racial nationalist movement. Yes, there will be a certain degree of interethnic racism, but it is not as simple as badEvil white Jews versus poor brown/black Jews, because the Mizrahim Jews are among the most RW members of Israeli society.
>>2821625if anything it's because the algerians realized that following the civil war that their previous strategy of ethnonationalism failed outright and led to nothing but islamist movements popping up to destroy anything in their path, but in the middle east proper, every government is either ethnonationalist, or ethnosupremacist (like the gulf monarchies), if anything, hard as it is for some to admit, it's because of french colonialism that the algerians or even the morrocans are not as extreme as their middle eastern counterparts, i also don't exactly like being right in this situation, but if you ask me in the case of the middle east proper, it's due to them not forming an independent, non-tribal ethnic identity until recently, egypt for example is more orderly than iraq or syria, because the concept of an egyptian nation isn't really ethnic nor religious, even if egyptian muslims have an advantage, and it dates back to the 19th century
>>2821626whether they're truly "arab" isn't really the point, but that they consider themselves arabs, is true, and that they speak arabic and attempted arabization in the past is also true, it's only really in the past 30 years they recognized they are more than just arabs
>>2821638also israel is more than simple ethnonationalism, it's willing to make concessions to arab ethnic groups in order to split others, but again, this was also done in the baathist states as well, where they'd turn christians against sunnis or sunnis against kurds in order to protect their own hegemonic rule
>>2821642One reason I don’t consider Israel Fascist is that it doesn't have the fascist feature of unrestrained state violence, Ironically, if Fascists ever took over, Israel would be over in a few years because they would wage war against everyone, which in turn would unite former rivals and put them on high alert, forcing states to dedicate all available resources to defeating them.
>>2821638Racism in Israel is weirdly very American/19th century European. It's all about "blood purity" and "preserving whiteness(Jewness)". I recall the guy who assassinated Rabin was a Mizrahi that went crazy because his girlfriend's family wouldn't let them get married due to him not being Ashkenazi. Mizrahis face a ton of discrimination, just not as much as Muslim Arabs because "at least they're Jewish". There was also that thing in the 1970's where Israeli volunteer hospitals and blood banks destroyed all their donated Ethiopian Jewish blood because Ethiopian Jews weren't considered "real" Jews and so "real" Jews couldn't receive blood transfusions using Ethiopian Jewish blood. It's fucking insane how far Israelis will go to make the Nazis seem tame.
But yes the world is never black/white, just because someone is oppressed doesn't make them a good person or an ally.
>>2821656>One reason I don’t consider Israel Fascist is that it doesn't have the fascist feature of unrestrained state violenceWhat do you call Gaza/West Bank if not unrestrained state violence? When the Germans did it to the Jewish ghettos it was pretty much what we see in Israel today. Israel is just more effective in labeling its enemies as foreigners that don't belong on their god-given land and therefore can be freely liquidated.
If what you mean by "fascist violence" is the Israeli state attacking its own citizens then I would also say they're already there. The country is full of military checkpoints and every inch has a constant IDF presence to make the "chosen people" feel safe and the undesirables/critics of the state feel unwelcome. Even posting about Iranian bombings online will get you arrested. Israel right now is a lot like early Nazi Germany. There's also frequent violent attacks and death threats towards critics of Netanyahu that go unpunished by the state, creating a sense that the government is either behind it or endorses it.
>>2821656it also doesn't have the large contradictions either
>>2821657the main problem is this really isn't true anymore, mizrahim in israel are functionally the same as ashkenazim, even the ethiopians are considered of equal status now! it's no longer as exceptional as you paint it as, instead it's just another racist, ethnosupremacist state in the middle east
>>2821656Israel's government bows to theocrats, ultranationalists, and clerical fascists and will never be fixed without full-scale denazification + Pro-Palestinian one-state solution.
>>2821679translation: "the world will be fixed when christ 2.0 comes in and saves us, and the fairies will come down from the sky"
>>2821682It’s actually pretty simple. Give Jews and their mewling spawn two options to leave: either by plane to America, or by cage and pushed into the Mediterranean
>>2821684translation: "just imagine a magic button that'll make them leave! and they'll do it!"
>>2821685at least you're honest that it pretty much is never going to happen
>>2821691Ever hear of these things called guns? You point them at people, and if they don’t do what you want you pull the trigger
>>2821691>translation: "just imagine a magic button that'll make them leave! and they'll do it!"violence doesnt require magic tho
<WASHINGTON - Marx, 45, of Midland, Texas, was charged today in a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in connection with a May 4 shooting near the Washington Monument on the National Mall in which a civilian bystander was struck by gunfire, announced U.S. Attorney Jeanine Ferris Pirro.
<Marx faces three federal charges: assaulting federal officers with a dangerous weapon, using and discharging a firearm during a crime of violence, and unlawful possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.
<According to court papers, on May 4, 2026, about 3:40 p.m., a plainclothes U.S. Secret Service agent observed a man, later identified as Marx, appearing to conceal a firearm on the right side of his body near 15th Street and Madison Drive NW. The agent alerted the Secret Service Joint Operations Center and requested uniformed backup.
<At the same time, the motorcade for Vice President J.D. Vance was departing the White House, passing through the area of 15th Street and Independence Avenue SW.
<Uniformed Secret Service officers responded and located Marx along the path of the Vice President's motorcade. As officers approached, Marx walked toward a group of civilians crossing the street.
<Officers issued verbal commands. Marx fled east on Independence Avenue SW. As officers pursued him, Marx drew a firearm from his waistband while running through the crosswalk toward bystanders.
<When Marx reached the sidewalk, he turned and fired at one of the pursuing officers. A civilian witness standing behind the officer was wounded in his leg. Officers returned fire, striking Marx in the hand, left arm, and upper abdomen.
<Marx collapsed at the intersection of 15th Street and Independence Avenue SW, where officers rendered aid. He was identified through a Texas driver's license found on his person. Law enforcement also identified aliases including Patrick Michael and Michael Zavici. Marx was transported to George Washington University Hospital. While in the ambulance, he allegedly made statements to officers including “F— the White House” and “Kill me, kill me, kill me.”
<Investigators recovered a Sig Sauer P365 handgun loaded with 9mm ammunition from the area where Marx fell. Law enforcement confirmed Marx does not hold a license to carry a handgun in the District of Columbia.https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/texas-man-charged-shooting-secret-service-agent-near-washington-monument-national-mall >>2821694it'd be great if said violence existed, was effective, and most importantly if you forget the power of the nuclear weapons
>>2821698it's magical thinking and pure fantasy at this point to imagine that israel will simply be convinced by enough weapons fire and magically all evacuate, you might get say 15% of the population out, but it'd be probably even worse than the status quo given how militarized of a society it is, if they ever are or were seriously threatened, they can just press the nuclear button, and wipe out any hope of change in a matter of minutes
>>2821703Nuclear weapons are a paper tiger especially compared to the indomitable will of the united imperial periphery
>>2821718more magical thinking? i'm sure if everyone just starts thinking, israel will explode
>>2821719You sound like you’re just making excuses to leave the Zionist Entity alone
>>2821722no you're just a lobotomite who thinks the world operates like your favorite fiction, you have to operate with things as they actually exist, not some masturbatory nonsense, if the word idealism had a strong meaning, it'd mean exactly this, not engaging with reality, simply imagining a new one where you'll simply kick in the rotten structure of israel, and they'll do nothing, won't ready the nukes, won't blow up everything remotely opposing to them in the region, and then all palestinians can come home and every israeli will just move to brooklyn or some shit, if you want to beat them, then you'll have to do it within the reality that is, not your fantasy
>>2821724How many nukes do they realistically have? Fifty? Sixty? Of course a preemptive nuclear strike would completely cripple them and render the nukes irrelevant, but even if fired it’s not enough to save them
>>2821684Some of those fuckers have to go back to Russia and the U.K. the U.S already has to many reactionary diaspora. But agree the only solution to Israel is a one state solution and its the state of Palestine. They should get to choose who stays.
>>2821725it wouldn't matter whether it saves them or not, also you're relying on the idea they don't have a nuclear warning system, they have about 90-200 nuclear weapons, the israeli military would be able to annihilate everything in the region regardless of whether they survive because they would rather destroy everything and may not even live, rather than to live in a world without an israel
>>2821726can we just stop doing this fantasy nonsense? debating in improbable hypotheticals doesn't save palestinians, it just makes you look delusional
>>2821728Palestinians have already been ethically cleansed, all with the explicit approval of the western left. The people of Palestine begged, BEGGED you to open up a second front and you decided to have orgies on college campuses and loot a Starbucks. But you’re right, it’s the actual anti-Zionists that are unrealistic
>>2821730Okay Hasbara anon
>>2821730Uygha the western left is far too unimportant at the moment to affect the number one global empire's foreign policy either way. Right now the best thing they could do is focus on party building and advancing an explicitly Marxist programme against socdem charlatans and utopians.
>>2821730who is "we"? and thanks for the "da western left is le ebil" bit there too, but you're proving the point, rather than engaging with reality, people like yourself ran the operation, and did nothing but the most absurd shit, and made yourselves look like lunatics instead, we could have pressured the world governments into achieving a two state solution that could save palestinians from being annihilated by israeli bombs, from being armed by the united states and various other nations, we could have done that and the israelis would hate it, but they'd just have to suck it up and move on with it, instead we imagined that the palestinian resistance would just destroy one of the best funded, most hypermilitaristic states on earth, while they were beaten to death and even more of what's left of the palestinian nation is wiped out, at this rate there will not even be enough palestinians, but i'm sure egging on non-existent guerillla warfare and freudian slipping your way across is gonna save them
>>2821736>we could have pressured the world governmentsThey are gleeful participants. They were pressured to some effect, but their heels are still deep in the dirt.
>achieving a two state solutionAn impossibility. Israel is pushing up their schedule for expansion, and the bourgeoisie apparatuses of the world are still gripping the ground as they are being dragged.
>>2821732>>2821734>>2821735>>2821736Sorry I almost forgot, this site doesn’t have any communists anymore because they’ve all been banned
>>2821748the reality is that the gaza genocide if anything taught us that the palestinian resistance are useless, and that the war must be fought everywhere else, if say the major world governments had forced israel into accepting a two state solution, then that would significantly force israel to behave, and potentially produce revolutionary conditions
>>2821749yeah real communists instead imagine alternate timelines where everything went well, while they project their psychosexual frustrations on others for not doing what they're also not doing
>>2821756kill yourself for being a baiting retard
>>2821752Knowing the US govt is harassing this revisionist made my day
>>2821762It shouldn’t. Doesn’t matter if they’re revisionist or not, they’re working down a list wherever they can.
>>2821762well ur a fed so that makes sense
>>2821763The Cheka shot people for far less egregious offenses than HaSSan has committed
>>2821766if i was a lover of political fantasy like you, i'd say they'd shoot you for being an annoying cunt, someone who cheers on others to do things they're not doing themselves, and most importantly, a baiter
>>2821701Did Americans ever try to kill Bush? The only attempt I saw was a disgruntled former employee who was just mad at the IRS for firing him. I feel like all these attempts on Trump, or in this case Vance ig, are way above the baseline. At least, I hope they are, because with enough attempts someone is bound to get lucky..
why doesnt the burger working class just do what bolivian workers are doing?
>>2821766So has the Trump administration. And they are enthusiastic about expanding the types of people they can have shot with little consequences and little amounts of effort.
>>2821772What are they doing exactly?
I hope trump coups the goverment
>>2821774currently the capital is under siege by striking workers and they're about to burn down the presidential palace. it's being severely downplayed by American media because the current president is supported by America.
>>2821772Because they know they benefit from the rape and exploitation of the third world and would rather die than give up their treats
>>2821771The main reason is that American workers are too economically precarious to strike, and the idea is probably so foreign/archaic as to never cross their minds realistically. And they are too disorganized to coordinate something like mutual aid between striking workers.
>>2821765>>2821770I'm not felix, I just hate how this guy has since Biden operated functionally as a DNC shill and calling anyone who disagrees with voting for the Democrats an ultra. You can't seriously defend a guy who pulled up Infantile Disorder to justify voting for run off the mill progressive nothingburger candidates just because he lends lipservice to foreign 20th century revolutionaries
>>2821777>it's being severely downplayed by American media because the current president is supported by Americayeah its crazy how there are also no threads about it here, its an impressive display of organized labor, but I guess everyone is too busy crying because Trump was mean to Hasan to care about stuff like that
>>2821777In the most simplified way of saying this: Build up for proletarian opposition just isn’t there yet. Social conditions are still in the shitter, people higher up have little to no interest in being class traitors, much of the class aware proletariat are often either both too poor and not desperate enough, or simply do not have favorable conditions in spite of any wealth level.
>>2821787I would argue literally the only thing stopping poor people from rising up is just a lack of willingness. Not a lack of conditions or a lack of availability or a lack of connections but they just do not want to. They still largely support Capitalism and support the status quo. They still think they can get rich if they just work hard. They still think the system can be reformed by just surviving until things get better.
If you ever tried organizing people in real life, you'll come across an insane level of resistance and apathy towards any kind of worker agency in America that just doesn't exist anywhere else on Earth. Even the lowest most miserable workers in America won't entertain the idea of revolution even if you handed it to them because they just aren't ideologically ready even if conditions existed. Well materials have existed for at least 10-20 years but like, it doesn't matter how bad things get they still won't revolt without a change in sentiment.
>>2821791I am thinking that the mass spam of soyjaks was in direct response to a potential spawning of an actually revolutionary mindset. However Americans are generally pretty vain, much more so than a lot of at least non-asian countries so being associated with something that is to be deemed as "Cringe" will basically taint the association with that thing forever. This is why I think the left should be a bit more loose when it comes to allowing people to say retard or even slurs on the internet but to also generally oppose coomerism as if you actually look at where AI slop is proliferating and where it is faultering, it is mostly the coomers that are openly embracing AI while everyone else, including even chuddish non-coomers tend to hate that shit.
>>2821796already tried and it just results in you getting hitlers and ᴉuᴉlossnWs, not a functional, actually existing political movement
>>2821791So tldr:
>Actual revisionism>muh willpower>blame the poors>outdated stereotypes Great
>>2821796>oppose coomerism as if you actually look at where AI slop is proliferating and where it is faultering, it is mostly the coomers that are openly embracing AI while everyone else, including even chuddish non-coomers tend to hate that shit.you've completely missed the mark lol. the anti-coomer rightoids are sharty puritan nazi types that are like infinitely worse than the coomers and basically want to criminalize women existing in public except as homemakers and breeding sows. they use the anti-coomer anti-porn "protecting children" propaganda to push their version of evangelical sharia law. please oppose them at any and every opportunity or what you get will be even worse than capitalism.
>>2821783>You can't seriously defendits sad but the people you are replying to are the same as him (except they aren't millionares and dont get any of the privileges of directly working for democrats as a sheepdog) so they do in fact seriously defend him because they think anyone to the left of that is a CIA agent, they unironically think feds want to stop them from voting for democrats
Communists really need to do better on their analytics because goddamn
>>2821810I think there are that, but the majority of them generally dislike coomer stuff for the same reason. Because it's often tied to bad vidya games and movies and stuff. I think that is probably why zoomers generally don't care much for that stuff regardless of politics
>>2821798Well dang.
>“You don't have much experience with Latin American hookers, do you?”
>More deleted Reddit comments tied to Maine Democratic Senate candidate Graham Platner are surfacing as scrutiny over his online history intensifies.
>In newly uncovered posts from 2012, Platner discussed prostitution overseas and defended men who cheated on their wives while abroad, writing that infidelity and loyalty to fellow soldiers were “not mutually exclusive.”
>The comments add to a growing archive linked to Platner that also includes posts insulting the U.S. Army, mocking a Purple Heart recipient, using slurs, and expressing support for political violence — creating new headaches for Democrats in his bid to unseat incumbent Republican Sen. Susan Collins.
how dare this man insult the military. deport him NOW
>>2821823Instead of talking about problematic reformists, can we please talk about contradictions instead? You know, talking about something actually useful?
>>2821823Any controversy this man has seems to bounce right off of him.
>>2821261Reminder that the authors of Settlers and other MIM related materials often spoke about admiring Mein Kampf, the John Birch Society and the Tea Party.
>>2821829That’s because his opposition is dog shit and reformists are desperate.
>>2821827id be happy to poast about marxists in elections when they decide to take them seriously and start winning
>>2821817American Leftism is too bogged down by what I'll call "ideological corruption" to provide any kind of objective analysis of the present state of things. Like for example on one hand you have a bunch of Leftists who think the state shouldn't be involved in people's sex lives and we should tolerate any kind of sexual degeneracy out of principle so long as it's not directly harming anyone, then you have a bunch of (mostly younger) Leftists who think the state needs to ban porn and create a legal framework for defining gender as separate from sex and mandate digital ID's to protect children from discord groomers and all this other nonsense, and both will basically self-isolate into echochambers and work to suppress or attack any view that isn't identical to their own because they are operating from a position of ideological righteousness and not scientific materialism. I've encountered this so much in the American Left and only the American Left that it seems kind of hopeless getting anyone to change their opinion on anything or engage in critical analysis instead of trying to sell you some reactionary idpolslop coated in Marxist language.
>>2821835>id be happy to poast about marxists in electionsNo one asked you to do this. I specifically said the words contradictions and useful
>>2821839What does Lenin have to do with you not talking about reformists
>>2821832"Although Hitler’s rep has required critics to always badrap his book, it’s an exhilarating rip-roaring rant that easily roars past most left political writers. It is overly long, but so is the much duller Das Kapital. Supposedly a slimmed-down popular version, with the repetition and long detailed discussions about specifically German issues omitted, will be coming out next year."
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>>2821829Because 100% of criticism against this guy outside of leftist criticism is about his reddit posts. In an era where the president tweets nuclear threats daily and the world's richest man tweets about black crime rates on his social media platform I think people just don't really care about someone's reddit post history.
>>2821844I think that on some level the liberals really are kind of tired of having a stick up their bums all the time, so they are letting shit slide for Platner there.
>>2821848the dems want to win and platner is their best chance and even if they disagree with him he doesn't threaten capital so they tolerate him vs repubs
>2821836
Reactionary chudslop, opinion discarded
>>2821829maine voters love him but the main reason they do is because he's not a disease ridden 80 year old like the establishment pick Mills is
>>2821836There’s poor analytics, and then there’s whatever the fuck this is
>>2821875How’s Platner going to deal with rising Gas prices.
>>2821858Yeah but they're doing the liberal version of the the thing that hazcels want to do which is to say convert chuds and make being their political gang more manly looking.
>>2821883like in the polls? republican pick susan collins is a disease ridden 73 year old so whatever happens maine voters have seemingly already made their choice. the takeaway here is that the pool of acceptable candidates for the establishment is shrinking over time so now more than ever is the best time for marxists to play the political game (not trying to say platner is a marxist)
>>2821887>like in the polls?In policy
>>2821890im gonna be honest my guy in this period of power concentration in the executive i dont think elected congressmen have power or any capacity for change. there's gonna be no 'dealing' with anything let alone gas prices. people have no problem heaping responsibility on everything on the trump cabinet anyway
>>2821883Imperialism.
The same way he dealt with them during the Bush years. He will be doing it with CPUSA's implicit approval, too.
>>2821663>What do you call Gaza/West Bank if not unrestrained state violence? When the Germans did it to the Jewish ghettos it was pretty much what we see in Israel today. Israel is just more effective in labeling its enemies as foreigners that don't belong on their god-given land and therefore can be freely liquidated.ethnic massacres in a nation they have partial control over
>>2821915>cishetReddit is that way kid, we’re communists here
>>2821915Correct. Personally I'm on the side of tolerating any kind of degeneracy because really who cares? But there's a big rise in recent years of puritanism both on the Left and the Right. It seems like this puritanism and criminalization of the feminine form will be the political legacy of the 2020's.
honkoid status?
>>2821762>Knowing the US govt is harassing this revisionist made my dayThey will come for you next you bitch
>>2821573>polish and ukrainian identitybased rosa
There's is only one Slavic union :^)
>>2821932You are zionist, you are czechoslovakist, you support collective punishment
>>2821927I'm not an american though so I doubt it
>>2821573We would live in a blessed timeline if Poland and Ukraine didn't exist
>>2821920you were the one implying anyone who isn't cisgender heterosexual is a degenerate so it became necessary to make what you were implying explicit. Do you deny it?
>communism is when reactionary idpolno it isn't
>>2821903the imperialism caused the rising gas prices in the first place
>>2821883He isn't. A senator in Maine has no real power over that.
>>2821939congress can put forward a war powers resolution that forces Trump to end the war or lose funding. the only reason presidents have been able to freely wage war is because congress ceded that responsibility during the bush era.
so in theory a senator in maine can in fact make a difference in lowering gas prices. of course in practice it's the bourgeois and israel that will decide america's fate but whatever.
>>2821791in Russia people had to starve for revolution to happen. In America they take drugs to be skinny. Revolution happens when people are dying of hunger and homelessness. Not simply reformists failing and reactionaries winning, which is the default state of things.
>>2821940no one gives a shit about a dead party
>>2821942>congress can put forward a war powers resolution that forces Trump to end the war or lose fundthe status quo is for presidents to ignore congress on matters of war. you are appealing to idealized procedural norms. the president is "supposed to" seek congress's approval before declaring war but that never happened during the GWOT, did it?
>>2821943people are dying of homelessness in america the problem is the homeless have resigned themselves to their fate instead of fighting against the conditions that made them homeless.
>>2821940>as an influential work by the Soviet psychologist Aron Zalkind,ok so some random intellectual and not an actual law from an acutal party member? kys.
>>2821944you're not the same anon. don't answer on my behalf, especially when you're just slandering the CPSU and not investigating his claims which are unrelated to the CPSU anyway.
>>2821944The Soviet Union defeated Nazi German, the greatest accomplishment of your ilk meanwhile was CHAZ and terrorizing people into voting for Genocide Joe
>>2821946it's on congress to actually hold the president to that rule since congress controls the funding for these wars. the fact they never put forward war power resolutions during the GWOT is because both the democrats and republicans supported the war.
I get what you're saying that Trump will just ignore it but there are some procedural hurdles that are difficult to ignore like war funding. If he can't get access to taxpayer funds through congress he'd have to slash existing funding to support the war and that is optically much worse than getting a blank check from congress.
>>2821947in russia it was way more people per capita starving in 1917. we're talking about WW1 with a country of mostly peasants. i see fat homeless people in the US cities. this is not a semi-feudal country… you keep expecting things to work like in russia or china but the conditions are completely different in every conceivable way.
>>2821948It didn’t need to be “law” because it’s all just common sense, the same way a lion doesn’t need laws telling it that it can’t breath underwater
>>2821949yes that anon played right into your hands which is why I'm pissed he answered for me.
>The Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germanyscroll up and observe the pic
>>2821915your screeching about "sexual degeneracy" resembles nazi germany more than the USSR. stop slapping your reactionary slop with red paint.
>>2821948i'm answering because it's blatantly wrong, who the hell lives their life based on a party that hasn't existed for nearly 40 years?
>>2821952you posted wikipedia slop about a guy that wasn't even in the CPSU to justify your degenerate nazi pedophile ideas that women should cattle for the state, and that gay or trans people adults are somehow more "degenerate" than your nazi pedophile ass. don't try to use the USSR to retroactively justify your reactionary dog whistles
>>2821954read the room. you're playing into his hands and letting him shift the goalposts so it looks like you're attacking the USSR. this is what he wants so that anyone who comes to the conversation late can forget he's a nazi pedo trying to justify sexual slavery of women and nazi pedophilia
>>2821950>it's on congress to actually hold the president to that rule since congress controls the funding for these warsbill clinton raped yugoslavia without congressional approval and so did obama with libya yet both got the funding anyway. you're a liberal for assuming these 'democratic institutions' have any real power. american policy is decided in clandestine backroom meetings and deals and not on the floor of the senate
>>2821957you're missing the point that when Bill Clinton and Obama did those things it was with the tacit approval of Congress even if Congress didn't want it on their voting record so they never put it to a vote.
The same situation is going on here. Trump isn't dodging Congress, it's Congress that's dodging Trump. They refuse to hold him accountable because he works for their interests while shielding them from public accountability.
>>2821959and you're missing my point that what Congress wants doesn't matter, it could be 100% marxist and there'd still be no changing foreign policy. This country a dictatorship with all levels of power focused in the executive, get the fuck out of here with your 'checks and balances' retardation
>>2821921>>2821924bourgeoisie decadence
>>2821956>read the room. you're playing into his hands and letting him shift the goalposts so it looks like you're attacking the USSR. this is what he wants so that anyone who comes to the conversation late can forget he's a nazi pedo trying to justify sexual slavery of women and nazi pedophiliaeven if he was right (which he kind of is) it doesn't fucking matter because why are you letting a dead party influence you?
>>2821959>you're missing the point that when Bill Clinton and Obama did those things it was with the tacit approval of Congress even if Congress didn't want it on their voting record so they never put it to a vote.you seem to want the discussion to be about whether or not congress "secretly approves" while the other anon's point is that it doesn't matter because their opinion makes no difference. He is correct, you just want your completely different goalposts to be noticed. Consider yourself noticed. Yes. Congress is full of bloodthirsty imperialists. DUH.
>>2821963I am a proud Zionist and this is my post, I love Ukraine, India and Israel hate Iran, Russia and China
>>2821965>even if he was right (which he kind of is)oh, wow, so you're working with him, which is why you were playing into his hands
>>2821969yeah man i'm definitely doing that and not calling the argument out for being idiotic, and also fuck the gay nazi myth too, i do hope the piece of shit that posted that chokes to death
What peole say "sexual degeneracy" what do they mean? anyone who isn't cishet. What do they mean by "anti-degeneracy" enslaving women, straight or otherwise, to be tools for the state to reproduce the working class. It's that simple. Cut through their bullshit and ignore the rest of the nonsense they do where they try to use soviet history to justify this.
>>2821970you think he's "kind of right" so fuck off
>>2821972right about the USSR oppressing sexual minorities? yeah they did, pretending it didn't happen doesn't make it magically go away
>>2821938Yes, this is why CPUSA/Platner want to do "worthwhile" imperialism instead of "pointless" imperialism. The CPUSA/Platner line is not that war and militarism are bad, but rather than POINTLESS war is bad.
CPUSA/Platner wants to have a specific goal to loot other countries more effectively so they can build up a welfare state for the American Volk.
>>2821975Thank god an actual communist
>>2821836If it doesn’t harm anyone and is between consenting adults, how is it degeneracy?
>>2821936Okay then, I’m sure that Trump won’t come for your country next once he has no opposition voices
>>2821973oh so you agree with him about degeneracy and also believe his wikipedia slop. The USSR decriminalized homosexuality before most of europe. The USSR gave women the vote before the USA. Fuck off.
>>2821975Platner's in CPUSA? I thought he was running as a Democrat.
>>2821980generally "degeneracy" is defined as any sexual act that isn't missionary sex between a man and a woman w/ the purpose of procreation. anything else is easily labeled degeneracy and criminalized or persecuted by reactionaries. so when I call it "degeneracy" it isn't a judgement label but just saying nontraditional sexuality should be normalized as a private matter between consenting adults.
>>2821983>oh so you agree with him about degeneracy and also believe his wikipedia slopno i think degeneracy as an idea is pretty stupid, also that law decriminalizing it was reversed within 15 years, and sexual minorities were abused by the state, that's hardly "agreement", more or less accepting reality, but if you want to pretend the soviet union was some pro-gay paradise, why not live in your imagination?
>>2821984just more schizophrenia by our favorite iron man
If the sexual question was actually that important for the Soviet Union they would’ve instigated a coup against Fidel Castro for calling homosexuality “a natural variance” in Nicaraguan media and invaded the DDR like Czechoslovakia for having crossdressing bars, but they didn’t
>>2821988they can both hate sexual minorities while at the same time allowing its dependent nations choose their own point of view
>>2821985Whose traditions? It’s traditional to have affairs with people inbetween genders and third in Thailand and Zapotec areas of Mexico
>>2821992>dependent nationsyou are working to introduce confusion on this entire topic it seems
>>2821994you are an idiot imagining i'm some agent of chaos when i'm plainly stating my opinions
He’s right that LGBT is a western concept but it was forced on those people thanks to two thousand years of Abrahamic sexual morality. No one in the ancient world identified as “gay” they would just fuck whoever however they could.
>>2821998Notice how nobody ever actually has arguments for WHY any of these points are incorrect, we are just supposed to take for granted because the views presented aren’t acceptable to ultra woke radlibs who’ve never read Marx or Lenin in their lives that they’re automatically wrong
>>2821975please jizz on a photo of platner next it would be so funny
>>2821999>LGBT is a western concept but it was forced on those people thanks to two thousand years of Abrahamic sexual morality."the west" was forcing abrahamic morality on indigenous societies at gunpoint long before "LGBT" was an acronym. But lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and yes even transgender and nonbinary people have basically always existed, even if they didn't use those exact terms to describe themselves.
>>2821988I think the Soviets recognized that their stance on sexuality was not Marxist but simply "cultural" and so never bothered to enforce it outside of their borders. This came at a time when they were also trying to revive the orthodox church and promoting "traditional" russian culture in a bid to fabricate a nationalist identity to compete with American nationalism.
I think we can all agree the USSR was infested with bad policy and bad politics and they were far from perfect Marxists post-Lenin and especially post-Stalin. The criminalization of sexual deviancy and appealing to baseless moralism was just one of many missteps. China is making the same mistakes, but it remains to be seen if they'll see the light of being hands-off regarding sexuality or also fall to their obsession with criminalizing porn and fighting "degeneracy".
It would be kind of sad if two socialist superpowers both fell because they were unable to grapple with their own moralist spooks.
>>2822000>Notice how nobody ever actually has arguments for WHY any of these points are incorrect"we are bigots"
"call us nazis"
"WOW PLEASE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY AND GIVE REAL COUNTER ARGUMENTS"
moid genocide
>>2822004Rapists and murderers have also always existed, by your logic they should be just as acceptable right?
>>2822000go be a contrarian somewhere else
>>2821984DNCPUSA's explicit policy is "Vote Blue No Matter Who" so they support every Democrat.
This means, unless they specifically condemn Platner, they implicitly support him.
Lie with dogs and you will get fleas. DNCPUSA would understand that if they had any spine.
>>2822009Nothing I or Haz is saying is remotely controversial except in the imperial core
>>2822008>if i just falsely equivocate, i can push my reactionary nonsense wherever i want to!you and the pedophile advocacy guy should debate eachother in siberia for 8 hours
>>2822000i've given counter arguments literally thousands of times to your confused nonsense but it's never enough. you people just skulk off, never admit you're wrong, and then the next generation of you shows up and repeats the same nonsense.
A communist can be gay.
It's literally irrelevant.
It's that simple.
It's not degenerate to be homosexual.
It is degenerate to force heterosexual reproductive family unit and abrahmic morality onto everyone at gunpoint and cry pretend you aren't doing idpol.
>>2822012vietnam is in the "imperial core"? damn
>>2822008How is two adults having consensual sex and a romantic relationship anywhere close to rape or murder? Where’s the harm done?
>>2822008you're the one who wants lesbian women to give up their "degenerate homosexuality" to be brood mares for the state. you are the rapist here, buddy.
>>2821982orange man already has basically 0 opposition inside the US and the anon you are replying to most likely already lives under a burger occupied goverment
>>2822013he is the pedophile advocacy guy. he has no problem with pedophilia. For him, homosexuality between two consenting adults = bourgeois sexual degeneracy, but forcing teenage girl at gunpoint to make more workers for the porky state = TRVE PROLETARIAN PATRIOTISM
>>2822016Ask the victims of Generalplan Ost
>>2822023>>2822021You aren't making any sense and that is clear to anyone who can read the conversation in its full context.
>>2822022well he could be, just generating nonsensical discourse all day, advocating pedophilia 1 minute, saying gays are the real degenerates and so on and so forth
>>2822023Complete nonsequiter
communism abolishes the male gender
>>2822026these glowies always show up on saturday/sunday. last weekend the psy op was "if you hate nazis that means you are shlomo shekelstein the king of all zionists." this weekend the psy op is "if you don't say all LGBTs are sexually degenerate pedophiles that means you love nazis."
They're always trying to introduce guilt by association, kafka traps, confusion
>>2822028Mechanization and industrialization destroy all gender. Gender makes sense in agrarian economies where you need as many kids as you can get so you have more labor on the farm and the two adults have fewer chores, and said chores needed to have their labor divided based on physical strength (men are generally stronger and whatnot). Of what practical use is gender when everyone can drive a forklift or type on a computer?
>>2822012HAz is a fascist pretending to be a communist to try to create a cult of right-wingers who want to create women sex-slaves by attaching "degeneracy". And you are a idiot for ever believing in anything Haz says.
Haz is a pathetic trust fund brat, who complained about his uber eats not coming up to his apartment room like a spoiled brat.
>>2822034for some odd reason right wingers continuously inject themselves into lefty circles for the sake of starting a new burgerreich.
>>2822032the idea of identity as a concept only exists for a means of control, which is why many right wing pundits are trying desperately to convince people of this "us versus them" ideology, as to assure that they have a cattle class of people willing to die for them.
>>2822038Because right wingers don't really care about economics they just want social control. When the tide is shifting against Capitalism right wingers will shift with it and adopt a "national socialist" position of wanting to abolish capitalism but with women sex slaves and minorities in death camps etc. When the tide is against socialism right-wingers will adopt neo-con fascism with religious adherence to the infallibility of the free market etc. The only thing they care about is enforcing violence upon their enemies, improving the world or changing the world is just a byproduct of their violence.
>>2822046^^^^^^^^
history never repeats itself but it often rhymes. in their (comically unrealistic) ideal they would be a strongman leader with a nation of dull, non-questioning cattle. and this nation is, obviously, an ethnostate.
>>2822026Yes yes don’t forget ad hominem and tu quoque and all the other bourgeois academic terms your lot throws around when cornered
>>2822050And it’s always an expanding empire too, which would go against the whole ethnostate thing but they don’t bother to think that far
please kill me
>>2822051Cornered by what? A cock in my ass?
>>2822034How is he a fascist? Because he's against dems and reps? Also where are you gathering from they want to create women sex slaves (already exists in Bill Clinton and Trump's basement btw) Also where are you getting from that he's a trust fundite?
>who complained about his uber eats not coming up to his apartment room like a spoiled bratThis I did see, good times. I miss old Haz, he was a lot funnier back then, nowadays he's gotten kinda boring ngl
He shoulda gone all in on the streamer thing instead of this party thing. Still… It's commendable not doing that I suppose
Haz is America’s Bachir Gemayel
>>2822052all of their long term goals for their ideologies are so comically poorly thought through. they are a dying breed though, which is something everyone should take solace in. we are presently witnessing the death throes of the empire. all of the alt right reactionaries in power are widely hated. at best they try to do something akin to nazi germany before realizing that it wouldn't work here and losing power, at worst we balkanize or something idk
>>2822059i'm new to the board, sorry, is Haz short for hassan? or is this a namefagger i haven't come across?
>>2822064Haz Al Din is a controversial streamer going by Infrared and also the chairman of the ACP or as some call it the A"C"P
>>2822064Haz created leftypol. He's like our Moot or Hotwheels.
>>2822067The Communist Party is vanguard. The Communist Party is the only yank party that works with houthis. Every attack against the Communist Party is aid to zionists.
>>2822056because he gets his race shit from Dugin and Heidegger. And come on, righrt-wingers
>>2822064Haz-Al-Adin is a dumb streamer who tries to create the fake "communist" party; the ACP. But he ultimately is a right-wing dumbass. He's also a LaRouchite.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Infrared
>Haz described feudal countries including the Ottoman Empire, Tsardom of Russia, and Qing dynasty as examples of "actual socialism."[10] On a Twitch stream, he claimed the United States is already a socialist country.[11]
>Haz views Mao Zedong's collaboration with the United States of America during the 1970s as a positive thing.[citation needed]
>On Twitter, Haz once replied in the affirmative to a user who called homeless people "the ruling class of American public life" and compared them to landlords in Mao's time. Haz also replied to this user by calling homeless people "sidewalk Lords." >>2822064Yes, it's short for Hazsan who raped his dog.
>>2822011well yeah that's true but CPUSA is like irrelevant. it has less than 25K members, and only 6 people in elected office (irrelevant local positions). The Democratic Party has millions of registered voters, millions of donors, thousands of elected officials. They and their republican colleagues are enemy #1. You can deal with opportunist and revisionist communists once the class struggle has actually advanced to a point where they are the primary enemy. Right now it's nowhere even close. It's like seething about SRs in the 1890s. It's kinda tone deaf.
>>2822075Well see now he's going to go into his obsessive murder fantasies about gunning down DSA fascists as well as 99.9% of the country for being reactionary in some way shape or form
>>2822078I think the institutions of the democratic and republican parties themselves, rather than their millions of voters who mostly feel held hostage by the system itself, are the primary enemy. If these parties were gone you could actually separate the wheat from the chaff.
>>2822074>>2822065>>2822067>>2822070ah, tysm for clarifying. I give no mind to the people at top because at a personal level, all humans are flawed. as long as they have the people's interests in mind ideologically i do not mind.
>>2822074lmfao
>>2822079actual insanity lmao
>>2822080counter point: american great leap forward in 2030
>>2822080Unfortunately that's too reasonable, Felix is an all or nothing ultra-maximalist
Reminder that Felix's growing list of "reactionaries" to be killed immediately includes
>Anybody who's religious>Anyone who's ever been a member of the "wrong" leftist group, which is all of them except his microsect>Anybody who has voted for or campaigned for a Democrat or a Republican>Anyone who's ever received a college education>Service industry workers, including those on minimum wage>Most public servants>Anybody who owns a home or is related to someone who owns a homeand of course
>Anyone who has ever done anything that could be perceived as defending one of the above condemned groups, including others in this category >>2822071I appreciate your commitment to this bit anon
>>2822072>because he gets his race shit from Dugin and HeideggerDugin is not a racist, at least not in any way that matters. He was literally calling white people retarded or some shit the other day lol. Im not familiar on Heidegger's view of race, but while Haz might be a legit homophobe I've never seen him talk about anything racist really, so this seems like an odd point to me, especially considering he's a brown man, along with like half the executive committee of the party he runs
>And come on, righrt-wingersWhat do you mean by this?
Also
>Posting haz's bangers as if they're badSidewalk lords lmfao
>>2822083imo? have irl leftists to balance out lefty views with actual human thought. nitpicky lefty ideological differences can be easily discarded for the sole beliefs of worker empowerment and being able to put food on the table and to not be in survival mode 24/7
I just had gay sex, it felt really good, better than just jacking off and I’ve never been sexually compatible with any woman. If that makes me a fascist, so be it.
I miss Chagosposter, what happened to him?
>>2822084Haz doesn’t take the sexuality question seriously enough to root out the LGBTs in hos own organization
>>2822087how does gay sex make you a fascist, comrade?
>>2822088I’m pretty sure he was iron felix doing a bit, or maybe the reverse is true idk
>>2822088He was banned for daring to oppose this site's prevailing orthodoxy of Strasserism, and insulting CPUSAnon, which is an unforgivable sin.
Just another example of how you all have nothing but seething contempt for the people that American imperialism destroys.
>>2822088hopefully he got a job and is living in the UK making 50k a year
>>2822090According to other people in this thread every single nazi was gay and every gay is a nazi, putting on panties as a man disembowels a Russian peasant in the same way stepping on a crack in the street breaks your mother’s back
>>2822092hopefully you and him can have gay sex together and complain about cpusanon and the strasserites
>>2822087i've learned from twitter, commies hate gays and trans and any form of degeneracy and then call you a prudish religious christcuck and a palestenian genocider
>>2822097
actually psychotic lmao. identity politics should come far after the more prevalent issues at hand.
>>2822083besides 1 or 2 points thats a pretty solid list
>>2822099Then you're a retard for taking anything from Twatter seriously.
Nelson Mandela was a fascist for being the first state leader in the world who made gay marriage a thing
>>2822072>Haz described feudal countries including the Ottoman Empire, Tsardom of Russia, and Qing dynasty as examples of "actual socialism."He did that on twitter too. Pic related.
>>2822079I swear to God Nick Fuentes and Haz Al Din are both part of the same psy op.
Nick's job is to rehabilitate Nazism, and Haz's job is to make Communism look retarded, and to make Anti-Imperialism look like Alt-Imperialism.
thoughts on Appalachian socialism?
>>2822108What’s the beef with worker coops? Does he have a hateboner for Richard Wolff? Every single AES state was fed by worker coops in the agricultural field.
>>2822091He was his successor, together they forged Felixism-Chagosian Thought
>>2822092It's a thankless business for the non-dickriders/non-chauvinists here on leftypol.org
>>2822093We can only pray his dreams have come true
>>2822111the criticism of workers co-ops was always that they still exist under laws of bourgeois competition, but so do AES states if you look at the international situation so it always rang hollow to me
>>2822110Would have made sense if coal was still a real industry. What would happen? Nationalization of McDonald’s and the drug trade?
>>2822111I remember his debate with Destiny, he actually told Destiny off for disrespecting Wolff in their debate, despite not agreeing with him on most things
>>2822075DNCPUSA isn't just "revisionist Communists", they are an out and proud Strasserite party. The only reason this site tolerates, let alone supports them, is because you're also all Strasserites.
>>2822116Which tells me the tweets were mostly for shock value and thus marketing. I’m sure he would be much more reasonable and accommodating in real life, that’s my experience with most people even when they have genuine disagreements
>>2822108now that i'm actually reading this, this is insane and i'd need some further clarification…
>>2822113chuckled, i feel that. hate to power level but i'm from a helene-affected area. i have no trust in the fed and even less trust in county gov. to not be corrupt. we've got a pretty strong sense of community here though. shockingly many people are far lefties.
>>2822115our big issues are land banking and corruption right now. if the former were busted then there'd be a lot of non-harmful industry available along with cheap land for workers to do their part for the economy.
>>2822092> you all have nothing but seething contempt for the people that American imperialism destroys.i only have contempt because they haven't risen up and shot my treatler ass yet.
>>2822120same shit will be happening here before too soon. community will turn a blind eye though.
>>2822119its because he says these were part of the asiatic mode of production
>>2822123fortunately the dollar will collapse and we'll have no choice but to have our own industry again.
>>2822119The land is cheap precisely because there’s no jobs and no hope outside of dealing drugs and whitetail hunting
>>2822118I mean yeah, In a lot of ways he's pretty much just a shock jockey with a tankie niche
>>2822123>asiatic mode of productiondidn't marx disown that idea before he died? Even if he didn't I'm pretty sure the AMP is controversial even among Marxists.
>>2822125globalization killed the former and the latter was killed by there being harmful industry after everything somehow. appalachia has been turned into a baby boomer retirement region. terrified to see what it'll look like in 20 years.
>>2822124Even if we “got industry back” you’re not getting the huge shops from your history textbooks where hundreds of proles work together and socialize on the factory floor. I work in a steel wire factory, these things are so mechanized even with outdated technology you only end up creating a dozen jobs at most. The remaining heavy industry in the US recreated the social isolation of the office cubicle.
>>2822129hell, we really are fucked aren't we?
>>2822130Maybe the common ruin of the contending classes will be okay in the end, I’ve made peace with my death a while ago
>>2822132i understand. dementia runs bad in my family so i don't expect to see 70 and will be disappointed if i see 60. i know how to fend for myself though as it's what's still practical here. i along with most of my people here farm. we all know basic survival skills and how to "make it work" so we aren't that upset. our biggest concern is the end of prosperity and having to put these skills and this community to work.
>>2822134i.e. becoming subsistence farmers.
>>2822134It’s probably useless but I’ve been having similar thoughts about learning to hunt and scavenge
Guns are cool and fun and practical but I hate American gun culture
>>2822137i can't even afford a pack of cigarettes bro this gun worship makes me feel so poor. i do like going shooting with my dad cause it's kinda fun. maybe when he dies he'll leave me his hunting rifle but yeah i can't afford to just go buy an arsenal of weapons and ammo. sorry
>>2822129I've seen you say this over and over in past threads but workers don't need to be in the same area to socialize, because they have phones now, and you keep saying that reindustrialization will "only bring back like 12 jobs" but where did we outsource to? China. A Nation with 1.4 billion. These people became an industrial powerhouse with a large percentage of their population in manufacturing, even with automation.
>>2822139>i can't even afford a pack of cigarettes stop smoking cigarettes.
>>2822136those tend to be inconsistent. learn to grow your own food crops. corn, potatoes, the like.
>>2822140Socialization over the internet is distorted and ultimately at the mercy and control of the enemy
>>2822144big bargaining chip is being able to shine. if you know how to shine you could trade jars for food pretty consistently.
>>2822144I tried and failed at growing carrots and onions last year
>>2822144>learn to grow your own food crops. corn, potatoes, the like.I grow my own food but this is an unrealistic demand for most people, who don't have land, or access to a community garden, or anything like that. Even in my case it is not cost effective to grow food, it's just a hobby. I'm growing in the backyard of the house I rent, and don't even own. I can't pay my rent with my garden.
>>2822139Reloading makes centerfire bullets more affordable but the initial setup is a lot of money up front
>>2822148potatoes are the easiest root veggie to grow.
>>2822149gotta make do with what you've got
>>2822108>kingdom>actual socialismhe's a disgrace.
>>2822153serfdom is socialism in the same way that a gun in your mouth is a two way system.
Is it true that Hazsan electrocuted and prepared his doge sweet and our to chinamax this summer?
>>2822151>gotta make do with what you've gotthat's just a slogan. listen. I'm talking about whether it's actually cost effective. if you can't grow 2000-3000 calories of food for yourself per day, it is not subsistence. If you can't grow enough food to pay your rent, it's not subsistence. If you don't have land, it's not cost effective. you're prescribing a solution that only works in semi-feudal sparsely populated societies.
>>2822084Its not a bit. You trash the only working class party. Only party at all that is allies with hamas. You are the one committed to a bit. You are repost years 9ld teitter posts of Communist Party Chairman. You and your kind nitpick for years to attack the vanguard of Communism in amerika. In 10 years you post same twitter screen caps and make same paragraphs of slander as the Party moves forward
>>2822151>potatoes are the easiest root veggie to grow.they're also a monocrop prone to blight. which is ironic because they used to be more genetically diverse (and therefore less prone to getting 100% wiped out by the same blight) but capitalism necessitated growing them as a uniform monocrop
>>2822160>the vanguard of Communism in amerika. In 10 years you post same twitter screen caps and make same paragraphs of slander as the Party moves forwardyeah, you're right. I am going to continue to post the same twitter screencaps, because they are proof he is retarded and Lenin was not saying stuff that retarded when he was Haz's age. The Ottoman empire and Safavid Empire were AES? Really? "We are Bigots! Call us nazis!" Really? Kys. This is not the vanguard of anything but stupidity.
>DEY ARE REAL ANTI IMPERIALIST DOE!!! HINKLE DID PHOTO OP WITH HOUTHIS!!!!they shitcoat anti imperialism. they tail maga zionist petty bourgeois reactionary fat chuds as the true harbingers of socialism just because they are white and wear hard hats sometimes.
>>2822155my beef with haz started when he went against minority groups. gay, trans and LGBT in general.
their stupidfiers arguments are centered in nonsensical soft-power projections of imperialism, while the USSR declared the most advanced gay rights ever when their foundations first formed.
you talk with any 🦍 or ☀️ emoji user (hazanite) on X they can't reconcile the latter. they are walking contradictions.
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>>2822175>>2822160>You are repost years 9ld teitter posts of Communist Party ChairmanThat's not me who posted that dude. I don't even have a very strong opinion about the ACP
>>2822160>dickriding Haz is based but don't you ever ever ever ever ever actually quote things he saidLOL
>>2822181I don't mind him too much. He's a fun character on this website, I find your struggle against him more boring tbh. No offense
>>2822791Postin on leftypol ain't politics my friend, it is entertainment slop
>>2822792Your posting on anonymous image boards against either ACP/ESL anon or Haz is certainly not comparable to a some kind of struggle against ᴉuᴉlossnW lmao, get a grip
>That crashoutSorry to offend your sensibilities anon. It's just stale material
>>2822088I am still alive comrade. I stay away from yanknest leftypol lately
Sometimes i feel like the internet has just been made into one big anti originization tool.
If news about the epstein files came out. And people outraged went outside to seek opinions and feelings of their peers. I think we would all be outside.
With the internet, sure we can discuss and find connection on events. But is not lasting.
You meet someone in real life and make a friend. Because of a united hatred for pedophiles in the governement lets say. That's a different beast.
I think we all need to get off the internet if we want change.
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