Why are Eastern Bloc countries so inundated with retarded faggot gaylord parties that go around saying they're "Economically Left-Wing but Socially Right-Wing" or whatever? Western Europe doesn't do this, they have normal bourgeoisie political parties that reject syncretist nonsense. What the fuck are they doing over there? Can they just be normal and stop trying to be le unique and different? Why don't they just kill themselves?
>>2821225>why are Eastern Bloc countries so inundated with retarded faggot gaylord parties that go around saying they're "Economically Left-Wing but Socially Right-Wing"im guessing because a large part of the population still want to return to "communism" the aka soviet era so these parties only serve to satiate that "RETVRN" desire that so many eastern EU uyghas have
>>2821358>im guessing because a large part of the population still want to return to "communism"Only the old fucks.
>>2821225Because that's what the people want?
>>2821225Desire to RETVRN to soviet era which is exploited by "left" politicians in post eastern bloc countries results in complete political schizophrenia
In every other EU country left wing parties are popular in cities and right wing in rural regions but everything is upside down here, it's disgusting
>>2821380>Because that's what the people want?He would rather kill the proles there than to hear that answer
>>2821366yeah and theyre the type of people that vote for these parties
>>2821225>people outside the west don't think like the west. better exterminate themi wonder who could be behind this thread
>>2821386>In every other EU country left wing parties are popular in cities and right wing in rural regions but everything is upside down here, it's disgustingWrong. Those countries and movements are correct. Every Communist revolution despite its claim of being led by the industrial proletariat, was actually led by the village peasantry throwing in with the Communist leaders. This was true for Russia, China, Vietnam, North Korea, hell even Cuba due to its lack of industry.
Therefore all socialist revolutions, properly understood and contextualized, are peasant revolutions. Rather than asking why rural folks support socialists in the East, the real question is why the rural regions support the right in the West. Once socialists in the west can answer that question and figure out a way to appeal to rural people in the West, they will be able to carry out a revolution.
>>2821416>Once socialists in the west can answer that question and figure out a way to appeal to rural people in the West, they will be able to carry out a revolution.Western leftists really don’t want to hear that. They’ve built their whole identity around failing to appeal to any class and instead of reflecting on why or trying to improve, they just blame those groups for rejecting them and ignore how deeply unlikeable they are.
>>2821429He’s more revolutionary than every Western leftist intellectual and professional activist who has existed since the 1960's.
>>2821225Because Eastern Bloc countries want actual communism without all the gay faggot shit that Western leftists threw in to poison the well. For some reason this is incomprehensible to the average Western cuck who cannot conceive of someone being a socialist who champions policies that help the working class and also think that effeminate degenerates prancing around with their genitals out in public are disgusting.
It's also the reason why Western leftists keep losing ground to right-wing populists but they'd rather choke on arsenic than admit this.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2821380>>2821431Which we can see by the many many conservative communist parties currently in power in eastern eur- wait…
>>2821416Rural people would be useless for any kind of revolution in the current day west, that boat sailed long ago. Rural areas are depopulating and their median age is fucking 60. You uyghas live on another planet.
It can still work in countries like India, Buthan or Burma though.
>>2821430>>2821429Sadly both trvke.
>>2821366Quite a few young people as well(mostly on the far-right). I’ve known a Czech Fascist who said that the Communist era was better than the current liberal democratic government because there were cultural festivals, the Army and state was strong, people were patriotic and national history was taught. He still preferred Fascism but in his view Fascism was a 10, while MLism was a 7 or 8
>>2821429All he would have to do is admit murdering people was bad and that would be good enough but he won't even do that
I guess Orban was right
All people want is to kill fags and free gibs right before elections. I say this half seriously
>>2821440>All he would have to do is admit murdering peopleThat would be stupid (as in weak) and more depraved than just owning it.
This guy is clearly a violent person that knows how to enact it strategicaly and that is exactly what any left-of-center movement needs.
>>2821442It's a very relevant sentiment but it have hard limits. The main problem is that giving free money to based anti-lgbt citizens endlessly does very little to have an economy given the average anti-lgbt citizen in 2026 western countries is either old, working class, genuinely antisocial or some kind of lumpen scum. All being negatively correlated with money and economic developpement that isnt rentier slumlording in the case of the olds.
It work better in country like Saudi Arabia because their upper & middle class is low openness and low agreeability.
>>2821416>Therefore all socialist revolutions, properly understood and contextualized, are peasant revolutions.former eastern block leftist parties aren't socialist, they're best case scenario political platforms for ethnic minorities worse case a bunch of neoliberals hiding behind lgbt and so on
>>2821459>former eastern block leftist parties aren't socialist, they're best case scenario political platforms for ethnic minorities worse case a bunch of neoliberals hiding behind lgbt and so onWhat? I am from Lithuania and "leftists" parties here are reactionaries who hate gays, pretend they will fix economic inequality between regions and cities but in practice just rhetorically shit on christian democrats and our socially progressive parties are all super pro business who get all of their votes from the cities because city people lucked out and won the process of transition from soviet system while everyone in the regions lost and were called failures who deserved who they got by Landsbergis (important christian democrat leader). The collective trauma of watching city people win and prosper while you lost, the feeling inequality of it all on top of being called a failure who deserves it by a guy who is essentially a father figure of your country created a collective trauma so deep it defines our politics to this day despite most of those people being dead already
>>2821465Same in the Middle East, a lot of the "left" parties are Fascistic and heavily tied to ethnic nationalism. The main difference is just which group’s nationalism they support. The only area where they tend to be more progressive than Islamists is on women’s rights(more like 1940s standards instead of 700s-era conservatism) but that’s about as far as it goes, they want to kill gays and ethnic groups they hate.
>>2821467Fascism is basically state violence without restraint, which is why fascist regimes ended up so violent and bloody. Marxism-Leninism on the other hand can coexist with other systems while still maintaining its own existence
>>2821416And this dependence on the peasantry is why all of those revolutions failed to fully entrench or achieve socialism proper. The peasantry is not a universal class capable of consistently sustaining and carrying forward a socialist revolution, because its material relation to production is historically regressive rather than progressive, unlike that of the proletariat. Workers, dependent upon the wage relation and deprived of ownership over the means of production, are compelled toward collective organization through the party form, rather than through the individualism inherent in small property ownership. This is why socialism is conceived as “the self-emancipation of the proletariat”: the peasantry, as a class, is historically dissolving, either being integrated into the capitalist wage-labor structure or displaced by it altogether.
>It is not the employed workers’ strength at the point of production which animated Marx and Engels’ belief that the key to communism is the struggle for the emancipation of the proletariat and vice versa. On the contrary, it is the proletariat’s separation from the means of production, the impossibility of restoring small-scale family production, and the proletariat’s consequent need for collective, voluntary organisation, which led them to suppose that the proletariat is a potential ‘universal class’, that its struggles are capable of leading to socialism and to a truly human society. (pp. 30)<This judgment was founded on the whole history of radical movements down to Marx and Engels’ time. It has been emphatically confirmed in the 20th century - by, precisely, the defeats suffered by the workers’ movement through submerging itself in a ‘worker-peasant alliance’, ‘national movement’ or ‘broad democratic alliance’. (pp. 31)>This left the Bolsheviks effectively isolated in a peasant-dominated country. The only way to resist the Whites was to base themselves on the peasants, which they duly did. Representing the peasants forced them to create the sort of state that peasant revolutionary movements normally tend to create, which is an absolutist one. The re-creation of new Chinese dynasties after peasant revolts; the peasants’ support for late feudal absolutism in 17th century Sweden, France, etc; and French Bonapartism itself, are all examples. The Bolsheviks built up a Bonapartist state round the party: and to do so, they had to change the party into “the empire without the emperor”. It is unsurprising to find that the fate of parties of this type is to be unable to be a political instrument of the working class. In peasant-dominated countries, they can take power, but create only a road back to capitalism by a long and bloody detour: Russia itself, Yugoslavia, China, Albania, Vietnam … (pp. 97)https://communistparty.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Revolutionary-Strategy-2008.pdf >>2821474
>The peasantry is not a universal class capable of consistently sustaining and carrying forward a socialist revolution, because its material relation to production is historically regressive
Purely anecdotal but this is the reason fantasies of RETVRNING and living like some imagined peasant (with all modern amenities of course) rubbed me the wrong way. This is fundamentaly a fantasy of petite bourg longing to return to a time their position was not threatened by capital B bourg
>>2821225They’re retarded because it mostly attracts grifters and nostalgic boomers with no will to put out a clear strategy nor try to appeal to younger people. Think about it: Practically every major socdem party in every EU eastern state was once the communist party before deciding to make a profit off of the new wave of economic privatisations, and today have a reputation of corruption. But you see this less in Serbia and Russia where the fact that they aren’t EU members means that there was less of an incentive to do a 180, which is why the communist and socialist parties in Russia and Serbia are more successful than their Eastern European counterparts. But ofc the fact that the ones in power across Serbia and Russia are shills for the main government and are more socially conservative than most leftist parties often puts them at odds with other western leftist movements as well as young people who often associate them with governments they dislike.
With that said, those in Serbia and Russia have a young cadre that is more radical than its gerantocrats and willing to oppose the main government, so they probably got a lot more potential, especially in times of crisis. The same can’t be said for leftist movements in Europe which are often too urbanised, as bourgeois and unpopular as most parties out there, on the top of being suited more for the kind of civil society that will be obsolete as Europe begins to enter into hard mode austerity and state surveillance.
>>2821477>Practically every major socdem party in every EU eastern state was once the communist party before deciding to make a profit off of the new wave of economic privatisationsOh so that's why literally every socdem party is full of corruption
>>2821465Yeah. People need to understand that politics is a constantly shifting area of life where ideas of "left" and "right" are only the most general approximations that actually say nothing. Even in America, "the left" and "the right" are in constant frustration because "sensible centrists" i.e. the ruling class do whatever they want with no regard for what their supposed base says. Analyzing politics and parties by their class character is much better since it lets you predict with some measure of certainty what they will do, but even that often flounders without a good knowledge of the actual context.
Western leftists have their own base in the urban students and middle class, east european parties described by OP have their own base in the countryside because eastern bloc academia and highly paid jobs very often put you in a direct dependence on western capital and especially the NGO complex. Meanwhile rural people maintain the most distance from imperialist capital and as such their material interests don't align with deepening the ongoing imperialist rape of their countries, unlike the previous group. That's a sad state of affairs but it is what it is. Both are maladaptive since the broad masses of the working class are involved in neither.
>>2821468>>2821465Proof that "based conservative socialism" goes fucking nowhere in practice. It's basically a psyop to make the left more weak and inneficient.
>>2821487What's interesting is that the left in Mexico, Venezuela and Argentina manage to concile both their cosmopolitan progressives, their middle class proles and their conservative rural demographics under one banner.
What's stopping others from doing the same?
>>2821487The issue is that American and Western leftism has been trapped in academic circles since the 1970's. It became comfortable acting as a cultural force that appealed mostly to urban upper middle class and artistic circles. But now, with capitalism entering a deeper crisis and problems like housing, migration and extreme economic instability getting worse, it has no clear or practical way to actually deal with them
>>2821358"RETVRN" by sucking Nazi cock and worshipping Capitalist countries (Especially LE BASED ROOSIYA)
>>2821380Fuck "the people". I don't give a shit about "the people". Who are we, Liberals? Popularists? Did the Bolsheviks change their ideology to what was "Popular"? No, they preached their truth and won people over to it, then they raped the Tsar and won BIGLY. I believe in the REAL MOVEMENT. We will not compromise. If we have to lie then we will lie but we will not change our ideology to appease mouth breathing troglodyte lumpen scum who cry about Gay people.
>>2821394Wanting people to not be retarded? Bro you're basically GOEBBELS.
>>2821396I would rather kill people who disagree than waste time and resources on convincing them of the truth, yes.
>>2821401They are, actually
>>2821410>Erm, you want people to not be racist and hate gay people? Fucking NAZI!>>2821427The Western Left is clearly deeply retarded and incompetent but on some level you have to understand that they are dealing with a population that is far more comfortable in their position as 1st world proles leeching off of the 3rd world and do not really want to change that.
>>2821430Cram it, Liberal
>>2821431I could watch you be raped and feel nothing. I might even masturbate to it. It wouldn't be sexually appealing to me, I would simply do it to make the entire experience worse for you.
>>2821467>What the fuck, then, is the difference between Western Nazis and Eastern Communists?Eastern Communists support nationalization. That's basically it. Other than that most of them are just Adolf Hitler. It's a monkeys paw, Communist movements are more popular in the East but most of it isn't even remotely Communist.
>>2821467You are welcome to die on the hill of transhumanist rights, you faggot. And you will continue wondering all the way till your dying day why socialism becomes most popular when it excises you creeps and your ideology from it.
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>>2821511still more revolutionary then all western leftist
>>2821475>The peasantry are evil and regressive and the reason why Communist parties and governments have failed<Thus say the analysts of a country (Britain) which has never experienced a socialist revolution in its entire lifetimeFirst rule of proper class politics: ignore every Communist party that has failed to achieve a revolution or even a mass base in their own homeland
>>2821604I've been saying this forever now
>>2821511Why is he eating chocolate
>>2821493Lack of fighting experience. LatAm has had a long history of leftist movements as well as having its members being hardened to reactionary movements since they often faced repression whether it’s LatAm via operation Condor, or Mexico under the porfiriato.
There’s also the fact that many of them have actual experience of being in power, so governance isn’t just theoretical for them.
In contrast, the western left outside of Iberia never faced hard state repression, with even few having been in power in a landslide.
Ultimately, western leftists have to stop prioritising converting chuds to their side, and instead embrace a sense of continuous struggle and form their superstructures. A good example would be leftists having their own servers, covert businesses that will hire leftists who got fired for their beliefs, and basically adopt a no-snitch policy of the kind criminal hip-hop stars have. Because one thing the latter is right about, is that snitches are nasty.
>>2821617Unlike colonized countries, they already achieved capitalism through liberal bourgeois revolutions a long time ago, so of course it's harder for them to build up a mass based party necessary for a revolution that would actually pursue socialism - the capitalists don't want that, whereas they're perfectly okay with allying with the peasantry to overthrow semi-feudalism and establish capitalism proper.
>>2821225Communist penal labor relied heavily on gay people creating an extremely confused culture of homophobia. In the West, penal labor still relied on gay people but was more racialized. Also the heavy reliance on penal labor was slightly longer ago due to an earlier industrialization.
>>2821416>This was true for RussiaThis wasn't true for Russia, the Petrograd and Moscow proletariat seized state power, the civil war after that was fought in alliance with the peasantry. Please read the short course.
>>2821821>Communist penal labor relied heavily on gay peoplewhat the fuck are you taking about?
Are you taking about prison gangs raping each other.
>>2821845>was fought in alliance with the peasantry.Thanks for conceding. the majority of people who fought for the Bolsheviks were peasants this is irrefutable.
>>2821821>>2821904<“I’d fuck all those faggots in the ass! They need to be fucked, fucked so hard they can’t even sit down, the fucking faggots! And then shove a dick down his throat to the tonsils, covered in shit, and let him swallow! That’s the only way faggots should be treated in Russia! There’ll be no mercy for faggots here. They wanted little walks, holding hands. No, fuck that — bend over, we’re gonna fuck you! That’s your faggot destiny! Real guys are gonna fuck you! Your whole faggot life, real guys are gonna fuck you! That’s justice!”The modern struggle against ‘homosexualism’ is not a conflict between homosexuals and heterosexuals, as the media portrays it. It is a conflict between two different versions of homosexuality — the Soviet and the Western one. Mature Soviet homosexuality is based on the prison sodomy system created under Khrushchev. Joseph Stalin had experienced exile himself and understood prisoners’ needs well. That’s why women’s and men’s camps were located near each other, just a couple kilometers apart. Many memoirists testify that relatively normal family life existed in the camps (with the obvious caveat about the abnormality of concentration camps themselves). Women married men they met in the camps because they no longer expected their husbands to still be alive.
Khrushchev and his clique discovered that prisoners were ‘fucking’ and separated the male and female camps by 100 kilometers (I read this in Eugenia Ginzburg’s ‘Journey into the Whirlwind’). Homosexuality flourished in the camps, but of a special kind. According to criminal philosophy, it’s shameful to be the passive partner, the ‘rooster.’ But the active one is seen as a ‘real guy.’ In the camps there is a caste of the ‘degraded,’ but no caste of the degraders. They hide shamefully in the shadows. Since degrading someone requires power and force, the relationships among camp homosexuals quickly mirrored a hierarchy based on domination and submission. Camp philosophy infected all of Soviet society, especially the силовики and intelligence services.
The philosophy of mature Soviet homosexuality even penetrated social layers where it should not exist by definition. What does a manager mean when he says that the bosses ‘fucked him in the ass’? Obviously: ‘management gave him a severe reprimand.’ In other words, relations of power and subordination in the Empire are understood by many in terms of a homosexual sex act. The very ‘vertical of power,’ the famous ‘Chekist hook,’ is essentially… well, you get the idea.
Hence, by the way, the cult of the ‘real guy’ or ‘man,’ especially developed in gopnik (semi-criminal) culture. A ‘guy’ is the respected active homosexual in the camp, not the pathetic ‘rooster.’ And why is this cult needed? Because people are simply afraid. Afraid of being ‘degraded.’ And in order not to be degraded, one must degrade others oneself. Hence the corresponding behavior. In short, a ‘guy’ is a heterosexual man who, under pressure from circumstances and social environment, behaves like an active gay man while presenting this behavior as masculinity.
The system of mature Soviet homosexuality, which interprets relations of power and submission in terms of homosexual intercourse, rests on three pillars. The first pillar: fear of being ‘degraded’ and thus assigned to the lowest caste. The second pillar: ‘knowledge of life,’ meaning awareness of the true nature of hierarchy and claims to power based on that knowledge (usually characteristic of mid-level bureaucrats caught in Sorokin’s ‘caterpillar’ between rulers and ruled). The third pillar: rulers themselves understanding governance in terms of mature homosexuality. The funniest thing is that the overwhelming majority of participants in the system of mature Soviet homosexuality are heterosexual.
Mature Soviet homosexuality is now experiencing a serious crisis as it collides with the Western model of attitudes toward gays. ‘What, the “roosters” are people too?’ — this cry resounds through every level of the power hierarchy. This clash of models explains current-day homophobia. Because if ‘roosters’ and gays in general are recognized as people, then the very foundations of Soviet authority collapse. A ‘real guy’ who admits he’s an active gay man is no longer a ‘real guy.’ A ‘rooster’ recognized as a human being is no longer a ‘rooster.’ The post-Soviet prison castes are cracking apart and ready to collapse. Hence the hysterical struggle against homosexuality, led by those very same ‘real guys’ waving beer bottles around. To prove they aren’t gay, these ‘real guys’ are ready for a lot. For example, they’re capable of shoving a bottle up an ‘opponent’s’ ass. What follows from all this? Europeanization will affect even this intimate sphere of the Soviet hell. Mature homosexuality awaits the same fate as mature socialism. The only question is whether the Empire will adopt the Western model of attitudes toward gays or develop some kind of its own ‘sovereign homosexuality.’
>>2821996…Doesn't this imply that if Russia simply did a prison reform to put women and men close together again that homosexuality would disappear?
>>2821996that's all lumpenprole prison culture dumbass
Civilization is Urbanization. When rural left-behind types feel hard done by, you must always remember that they are subject to a negative selection effect: Nearly anyone who can imagine a better life leaves rural areas for the cities as soon as they can. The people left behind, thus, are selected to be conservative and happier to endure privation than to risk changing things.
They resent the higher social status accorded to urban intellectuals instead of moving to the city and reading a book. In poorer countries you can blame economic factors - maybe they really are too poor to get on the bus - but the effect holds even in western countries where the state will subsidize your university tuition and living costs and where if you don't have the grades for uni, there's usually still funding for vocational education.
>>2821442>I guess Orban was right>All people want is to kill fags and free gibs right before elections. I say this half seriouslyYeah. On the other hand Orban just recently got blown out by libs LARPing like they're bourgeois revolutionaries from 1848, still not sure what was up with that. Hungarians are funny people and their language sounds like Elvish.
>>2821640>LatAm has had a long history of leftist movements as well as having its members being hardened to reactionary movements since they often faced repression whether it’s LatAm via operation Condor, or Mexico under the porfiriato.That's true. The current president of Colombia, Gustavo Petro? Former guerrilla. He's term limited but the candidate for his party in this year's elections, Ivan Cepeda? Lived in exile as a child, his father was a leading Communist Party member who was gunned down in 1994 by a right-wing death squad. Political repression also occurred in Mexico. The people in Morena were young people in the 1970s and had to face that. Lula in Brazil was a union organizer when Brazil was under the boot of a military dictatorship.
>>2821225It's fascist rebranding
>>2821996cook more, please, I beg you
>>2821996This explains homofascism phenomenon well
Speaking of nazbols, I just saw a fascist upload a podcast where they predicted that Cuba will defeat America if Trump tries to invade. It was surprising sober analysis of Cuba’s and America’s military power and strategy.
https://littoria.substack.com/p/the-weekly-meander-can-cuba-fight>>2821996That wasn’t Khruschev, that was the British Navy during the age of exploration (rape and murder), Cabin boys were always getting raped and occasionally eaten and this was passed to Russia’s german aristocracy
>>2822535Sometimes sailors get lost and have to resort to cannibalism just to survive, especially in the 16th to early 19th century
>>2821225The flirting with nationalism started when the communists were still in power there. It didn't start in the 1990s, lol
>>2821225Western minds cant comprehend politics outside of their liberal bubble.
We never gonna like poojeets fuck off and kill yourself kiikeeeee
>>2822646Glory be to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
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