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Explain your political progression. I'll start with mine, I live in the US for reference.
>I started off as vaguely conservative when I first starting learning about politics (was really into the whole "competition drives innovation" type thing). Didn't like feminism and what I thought was political correctness gone mad. Was christian (still thought shit like noahs ark was retarded though).
>Grew out of Christianity and as a result became disillusioned with a lot of the republican messaging.
>Became friends with a group of guys that were very right wing and slowly realized they were completely retarded which drove me away from being a republican.
>Became a democrat still heavily pro-capitalism of course. Very destiny style liberal with some reactionary tendencies
>Don't remember why but started looking into fidel castro and realized that he wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said he was and actually agreed with a lot of his ideas.
>Read "Principles of Communism" and heavily resonated with it.
>Spent a couple years still as a lib but with sympathies to communism, didn't fully understand it and disagreed but didn't outright hate it like 99% of liberals do.
>Around 2018 started to feel alienated amongst liberals, it's difficult to explain but I felt like I *cared* about things while liberals did not, they would act like they cared but they didn't really give a shit.
>Finally got around to reading some of capital and dove deep into a lot of online communities
>The rest is history
What about you guys?

Working for a shitty small business owner (landscaping) during the first Bernie campaign

>>2823294
Process of elimination. I didn't like cons, libs, or fascists. Anprim sounds nice, but it's infeasible, and we've destroyed the world, so the "only way is through," which leaves socialism or some weird techno-libertarian stuff, and the latter is transparently a madeup thing for billionaires, so I guess it's up to communism to show some alternative. Not a great showing yet.

Right-wingers, no further explanation needed.

I went from libertatian to social democrat bernie bro

poor amerikkkan, father went to war & never forgave himself for what he did but also never managed to fully own up to it, have had to work since high school to help keep my family above water, everything is horrible & i really like to read

theres an ancient screencap from a thread like this back from like 2017 or so that was me lol i think it was like 'capitalism destroys families'

>>2823294
I saw too much injustices in my country and in the world. I discovered it and thought that it's just great.

I am not a communist but i like lots of the things they did

started working doing odd jobs at 11. I read a lot, in general, and from history you learn about all these communist revolutions, so set out to figure out why. then i ate a cactus when i was 19 and decided to join a local org.

>>2823294
Nothing "made" me be a communist. I have eyes and ears and ever since I was a child I was some form of socialist. I thought it was a novel idea, cause nobody seemed to talk about it. Later I found out that the thing has a name and other people do agree.

I can proudly say that I have never ever had a right-wing "phase", nor was I liberal/conservative first then became communist. I think lesser of people who came from the right. Obviously I respect them, and recognize them as comrades. They just need to work harder to prove themselves. How can I know that this isn't just another phase and that in a year they'd be making a thread on Stormfront asking how they became Nazis and say they used to be a communist?

>>2823294
I come from a left wing family with an immigrant mother, we started off working class (altho my father's family was in denial) but as the ages went on we got somewhat richer, when I went to university, I just saw how much rich people looked down on me for simply existing, rich people would befriend me and then leave me like a little shit when they learned about my background. Make up weird shit about me. Made me see the class war in reality, I also saw the rest of my family's life decline because of capitalism, my grandfather dying in a shitty hospital because some liberal took away the funding for healthcare. I'd say I'm a communist because thats where I'm the closest ideologically, but every communist I meet is some bougie kid with no idea what the world and is obsessed by the most random of microcauses, and who obviously, as always, look down upon me. I honestly feel a bit politically homeless.

>>2823294
I became a commie mostly by accident. Essentially, when I was 17-18 I started reading a lot of philosophy and started developing my own "philosophical" system, which was really just an ontology of the individual based upon an ecclectic recollection of various works.
During that time, I was searching for authors with similar ideas to mine and stumbled upon some book made by a marxist author about the individual and alienation.
After reading that, I thought that marxism was essentially a philosophy about alienation, so I started reading more of it and once I had realized that this wasn't the case I had already been convinced by most of the other theories.
I wouldn't say I'm a complete commie though because I have a lot of heterodox thought and reject some major premise within Marx. However, I agree with historical materialism and a structural interpretation of marxism so that's that.

>>2823294
voted trump in 2016, due to basically not being very educated and disappointed with obama (I was old enough to be aware of his 2008 campaign, occupy wall street, debates over the iraq war, though I could never vote for him). I remember being torn because I knew my parents would not be voting for trump. They are the sort of decently well-off liberals that only despise trump (and still do) mostly because of his outrageous vulgarity and have never expressed much ideological opposition to his policy. I feel certain I would have voted for Bernie had he been option, because I liked him for many of the same reasons that trump seemed to represent. I very quickly became disillusioned in Trump's first term as he engaged in a bunch of neo-con shit that I felt like I had been voting against when I voted for him. I sort of became the bitterly apolitical type. I vowed not to ever pay attention to politics again because nobody does anything to help you and they all lie. Just vote blue no matter who every 4 years and ignoring everything otherwise, they might suck less and that's what the rest of my family does anyway. Eventually my natural curiosity lead me to left-wing politics. I think it's sort unavoidable to discover Marxian theories if you're a person that feels driven to understand the forces at play in the world. Any kind of reactionary sympathies I had couldn't really stand up to my hunger to understand and learn more about the peoples and cultures of the world and their histories and perspectives.

>>2823294
Small capitalists

I went from liberal to leftist to leftcommunist. Liberal because my parents are liberal. Leftist after discovering the OG leftypol while browsing 4chan. Leftcommunist after someone told me to read Bordiga. Further reading of Marx after reading Bordiga solidified my politics.

Apolitical › Reactionary › Socialism
Political form is Anarcho-Syndicalist Platformism
Economic doctrine is that of Marxist third worldism and anti-imperialism + Henryk Grossman's Crisis Theory.

>born into a left lib household
>absorb those politics by osmosis
>as I get older, start asking more and more questions about why so many problems in the world (especially climate change) go unsolved despite obvious solutions being available
>every question produces the same answer, even from my lib parents: corporate greed, money grubbing, etc.
>start imagining the notion of a society without money and researching related philosophies
>discover anarcho-communism, fully embrace it throughout my teenage years
>become more moderate around starting uni, essentially become a social democrat
>go to uni for political science
>begin researching the history of the labour movement in North America
>shocked by how miserable things once were for workers, the brutality that the ruling class used to repress them, and the level of bloodshed and violence it took to get basic labour rights
>start reading Marx and Lenin
>become a Marxist, but continue to harbour "anti-authoritarian", anti-Soviet views (this was around when I discovered leftypol in 2015)
>at this point I'm floating in a vague millieu of non-ML Marxism with influences from Trotsky, left communism, Titoism, syndicalism, etc.
>do more research into the early history of the USSR, the lead-up to WW2, and US aggression against socialist states and even liberal democracies during the Cold War
>start thinking that maybe those tankies have a point about the need to aggressively defend the revolution
>write an undergraduate thesis analyzing the causes and reactions to the 1956 uprising in Hungary (I fully intended to own the tankies)
>look at a bunch of primary sources and realize that they had a point the whole time, and weren't just doing it because they hated freedom or whatever
>start to realize how much of what I "knew" about Soviet socialism was a lie
>start looking more carefully at the Cold War, notice that the USSR for all its problems is always on the right side of pretty much every issue (e.g. against colonialism, Zionism, apartheid, fascism, etc.)
>look into the achievements of the Soviets and other communists (e.g. literacy and medical programs, infrastructure, economic development, anti-discrimination programs, racial and gender equality, land reform, etc.)
>do more research on capitalist states, realize that they are guilty of everything they accused (often falsely) the USSR of doing
>notice how every just and worthwhile cause in the world has suffered immensely as a result of the Soviet Union's defeat
>realise it was doing far more good than harm, that its flaws didn't outweigh its merits, and were in large part a result of the extremely difficult conditions in which it emerged
>realize this is true of most 20th century communist states
>finally understand that every revolution is imperfect, the central question is whether it does more to advance class struggle than hinder it
>become an ML


Im not a communist because I'm not an active member in a communist party, but what turned me into a communist supporter was the experience of extreme poverty.

this is cringe but here goes
>be lib, secular, born in 1990s
>start developing political thoughts in 00s
>hate bush
>2008 crash happens
>realize our system is stupid and irrational
>read grapes of wrath in high school
>realize our system has been stupid and irrational for a very long time
>watch obama continue bush's wars
>realize libs won't save you
>like science
>but realize science is institutionally apolitical and never stands up for anyone
>hate the war mongering atheists like chris hitchens
>have no idea what communism is outside of how it's depicted in american media
>watch the cringe zeitgeist movie on youtube in 2008 - vid related
>it's schizo but it makes some good points
>see part about "resource based economy" from an old guy named jacque fresco
>comment "this is a good idea"
>some old man yells at me and says it's "basically communism" which "always fails" and "commits atrocities" and "hates freedom"
>this kickstarts me being interested in communism even though jacque fresco's RBE was more of a utopian socialist grift
>gulags, holodomor, purges
>hmm, this sounds bad, but i don't wanna be a heckin authoritarian
>read engels on authority
>ok but i'm not sure that's the same thing
>call myself socialist for a few years
>see bernie sanders and AOC
>fellforitaward
>become disappointed in social democracy
>learn about the historical failures of social democracy
>learn about the historical failures of utopian socialism
>hate the lolberts, fascists, libs, and conservatives
>watch the world only get worse
>wow i guess i really am a communist like that old man said all those years ago

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quite cringe and larpy but here it goes
>absorbed vaguely conservative lolbert politics from my family, thought trump was funny as fuck and triggered the libs in 2016
>end up on 4chan guided by le kekistan videos on youtube
>go to /pol/ thinking we were going to do heckin' epic raids
<tfw they're all schizophrenic retards obsessed with race war bullshit
>go back to apolitical lolbert modus operandi
>keep browsing other boards on 4chan
>develop anti-work thought at the same time
>start getting curious about why exactly everyone has to break their back making shit to be sold on the market for most of the day to survive even though productive forces have developed massively since the industrial revolution
>???
>realize i'm a transhumanist after looking at /b/ and /lgbt/
>find breadtubers like shaun on /lgbt/
>start getting more into left-wing politics after seeing progressives on /tttt/ make more coherent and fact-based arguments about than i'm used to
>find out about leftypol
>get into anarchism
>start looking for ways to articulate and actualize my politics
>discover thinkers like marx, engels, stirner, proudhon, kropotkin, bakunin, cafiero
>begin reading their short works and correspondence
>read cafiero's abridged version of the first volume of capital
>holyshit.jpg
>begin browsing leftypol on a regular basis
>keep reading from time to time
>end up sympathetic towards marxism-leninism and become a multipolarista contrarian
>realize my position was vulgar after reading more marx and becoming more exposed to the history and tendencies of the left
>become nonsectarian with moderate leftcom characteristics

>>2823294
Not sure

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Probably just my experiences and surroundings informing me of which position to assume politically as I got older.

But more importantly it's the only thing to be that's not completely retarded


I was interested in moral philosophy and that lead to Marx. In the meantime I was also curious about the DPRK and found out that the hysterical news about it were fake. Before that I was largely apolitical, I've always hated unfairness and fake news so it was a natural conclusion I think.

>>2823294
>what made you a communist
Joining the party obviously

>>2823294
I'm Russian. This should be enough to explain it, but for some reason those other liberal and conservative people exist.

>>2823617
>>2823335
>>2823299
You guys get the "became communists because of working instead of abstract philosophy" award.

my Catholic faith and reading of the Bible

>>2824790
My other thing was a CS Lewis quote about how no human is responsible enough to be a slave owner, the same applies to business

>>2824866
Ecclesiastes is really funny, it’s pages and pages of Solomon going “man pussy and money aren’t shit, I’m suffering from success”. It’s also true but I have fun imagining how frustrating it would be to be in his harem and he’s just moping.

>>2823294
Immigrant background, through adolescence filled with questions as to why people and the world in general behave in such ignorant and irrational manner where there are clear possibilities to do otherwise. After various detours Marxism was, and still is, the only satisfying answer, both theoretically and pragmatically.

>>2823294
I don't consider myself a communist, but I think it was Winston Churchill who said that democracy is the worst system except for all the others that have been tried. Well, the alternative to hanging around communists when talking about politics and what's going on in the world is to hang around with liberals or chuds and that's worse. I was in an ML group but didn't mesh with the general weirdness and crankishness.

But with Marxists you get critical people who are looking at what is driving people to make decisions, and what are the material conditions people face and why is this happening and what are the contradictions present in society and future society. It doesn't run perfectly but it's relative and not (in theory) based in the existential fear of the Big Other (although some MLs construct an imaginary one – ideology) or on a set of universal transcendent truths as laid out by God.

>>2823294

Not much of big change, and it was slow:

  1. A kind of vague social corporatism.
  2. Culturally conservative/moderate social-democracy.
  3. Marxist sympathies with third worldist tendencies.

Always throughout had sympathies with the USSR & central planning, was never into liberalism ideologically (in any of its variants).

>>2823294
youtube memes when i was like 11 then i started reading theory at 14 because hakim told me to

>>2824471
i reposted that image in another thread and got called fascist because apparently it's from some amazon capeshit show… they never explained why lenin is in that show but really idgaf

>>2828485
It's from invincible it's a good show

NOYFB. Reply to my fucking theory-effortposts.

>>2823294
>Be apolitical throughout childhood
>At 14 dad starts playing talk radio during our car rides
>Listens to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity
>Become Trump supporter as a teenager
>Vote for Trump in 2020
>Become convinced the election was rigged when the election takes days to call
>January 6th happens, cheer on the rioters, get angry at Trump for not crossing the rubicorn
>Start going on /pol/ more often, flirt with the idea of becoming a Nazi
>Realize that those people are fucking retards
>Gradually become disillusioned with the right wing when they become more and more schizo
>Also get turned off by the GOP going back to focusing on social conservatism cause I'm bi
>Start taking weed gummies which helps me chill out a little
>Start to hate Trump, still don't like Biden, become one of those "apolitical centrists both sides bad" types
>Vote Chase Oliver because right wing friend convinced me he was the least bad option (lol)
>Trump 2.0 is even worse than I thought he'd be and does a lot of effort in radicalizing me to the left
>Play the fucking SPD Social Democracy game of all things
>First introduction to actual socialist ideas and policies
>Plants the seed that Marxism might not actually be pure evil
>Playing the game realize how you have to sacrifice your values and accept corruption to ally with the capitalists
>Only option where you can make meaningful change involves allying with the KPD and fighting a civil war
>Still not a communist but open to the idea of democratic socialism
>Watch horrible 1950s American propaganda, makes me disillusioned with my country for how blatant the lies are even from someone still anti authoritarian at the time
>Start reading Lenin, realize he wasn't evil and I actually agree with him on almost everything
>Research more Marxist/ML writings, look into the history of the USSR and other socialist countries
>Realize the US made the USSR an enemy from the beginning before they even had the chance to do anything
>Learn about all the evil shit the US has done to other countries in the name of "defeating communism"
>Learn how almost all the evil shit we were told about the USSR and other communist countries were blatant lies, and that this was even admitted to in private by the CIA
>Learn how everything good we got was from ruling class fear of the USSR and communism, and has been eroded for decades
>Realize not every communist country was a despotic shithole, and even the ones that were became that way as a response to being mercilessly fucked with by the US
>Realize if I had the social safety nets people in the USSR or GDR or other AES socialist states had I would've had a much better upbringing and wouldn't be a failure in life

Now I'm a non factional communist, not sure if I'm an ML or a leftcom or councilcom or whatever the fuck still, I think every strand makes good points but is wrong about other things, in truth it shouldn't matter that much, I'm still just trying to learn and become better everyday…

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>be W Bush era
>me young and autistic so watch news/daily show because autistic interest and to sound smart
>become lib
>liked Obama even though I couldn't vote
>Obama doesn't undo Bush shit no free education either
>start talking shit on Obama to other libs
>realise libs don't know anything and just pretend to act smart most of the time
>hate both parties
>start working and wonder why the hell aren't the people doing the job at the workplace able to make decisions
>start to understand the profit motive and capitalism is at the core of almost every single issue on the planet
>become class-conscious

Somewhat rare situation I think. Started through feminism, had some problems with liberal feminism. I eventually realized that capitalism was the source of all oppression, and so communism seemed to be the natural progression.
Not that I’m anti feminist or anything now, but I don’t think there’s any point in being active in a movement so utterly co-opted by imperialists.

I saw a dolph lundgren rocky 4 gigaquote on xitter

>>2828763
Based Crystal Cafe misandrist convert.

>>2828771
Do not use the spurdo flag while i am also using it, thanks.


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>be me, growing up in eastern euro, raised irreligiously
>4 years old, playing my very first vidya, pharaoh city builder, become palace economy enjoyer
>question my dad about why currency and market exchange exists instead of centrally planned distribution for use and accounting in kind
>get told that's called communism and it didn't work because of calculation problem
>next foray into politics is becoming interested in ww2 and fascism around age 8, like strong charismatic leaders like hitler and fascism creating a unified body of the people
>nationalism seems appealing to unite people around common purpose, but don't feel strongly at all about my own nation so just in favour of generic statism
>annoyed that countries are unbalanced in terms of natural resources just by virtue of what happened by luck to be under their soil, think it would be good if one country united the whole world but don't really care which country it is
>get really into the french revolution at 10, liberal universalism and revolutionary nationalism really appeals to me, get into robespierre, saint-just and jacobinism
>turned off massively by modern liberalism which seems to totally repudiate jacobinism and handwring about the reign of terror, the promise of the universal republic has been betrayed
>11 yo, watching some french revolution doc on youtube, classic reign of terror bad shit
>suddely they're interviewing some twitching and sniffing eastern european guy who is being totally unapologetic about the terror and idolising robespierre
>i'm enraptured, i've not been exposed to anything like this before, this guy is based
>look him up
>slavoj zizek, cultural critic and marxist philosopher
>watch and read some more of his stuff, he's a communist apparently
>start reading marx and engels
>for the first time there's some sensible, rational, materialist arguments being presented for how politics and history work, it seems the perfect schema for reality
>become historical materialist
>get into the ussr, impressed by five-year plans, unhesitating apologist for stalinism for a few years
>find /leftypol/ for the first time around 15
>keep reading more marx, then lenin and stalin
>around 17/18 being a 'tankie' and limiting my politics to justfying whatever the soviet did isn't satisfactory, eventually have to confront the failure of the october revolution and 20th century socialism, need to figure out the reasons
>read trotsky and become trotskyist for a few years, seems to provide a convincing basic account of degeneration, some unsatisfying bits around the edges of the analysis and no clear alternatives but willing to ignore for the time being
>23 or so, reading more widely, still unsatsisfied, anarchists, 'ultraleft', councilcoms, communiser critics all fail to give convincing explainations
>looking at the congresses of the comintern, discover bordiga and start reading him
>leftcommunism seems to finally complete the gaps and blindspots in trotsky's analysis, still no convinced of the method, seems rather doomer, but what the hell
>25yo come across revolutionary strategy, feels like finding marx and lenin for the first time again, finally someone concretely looking at what is to be done to win and not just larp or repeat previous failures ad infinitum
>read draper, get over vestigial vulgar pseudo-'leninism' and start reading early kautsky and other second international literature that previously ignored as 'socdem dreck' superseded by lenin and not worth even looking at
>be 'partyist'/'neo-kautskyist' communist


>>2828790
>>be 'partyist'/'neo-kautskyist' communist
But doesn't that present you with the same problem of needing to account for the failures of the Second International?

>>2828902
That's not something to be avoided. I reccomend reading Macnair for a brief accounting of the failures of the second international. The object is precisely to investigate it and take what was successful and should be salvaged (the mass party, democratic republicanism, strategy of patience) and what is chaff (nationalism, state loyalism) rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater as is the tendency of 'leninist' sects of all flavours which having absorbed the thought terminating cliches of 'a party of a new type' and have meme-level familiarity with kautsky as 'renegade' would ignore the entire history of lenin and bolshevism preceding 1917.

>>2828970
Interesting. What do you think of Lenin's diagnosis of the flaws of the Second International (mainly its support for imperialism and retreat into reformism) as stemming from a labour aristocracy?

>>2828790
>people only get into communism if it matches their material interests
<anyway i got into communism because i played city builders as a toddler

>>2828977
>people only get into communism if it matches their material interests
Vulgar distortion. Material interests shape politics at a societal level, but Marxism doesn't deny the existence of individual exceptions.

>>2828979
intended as a silly throwaway joke, sorry

This
>be me
>born almost 20 years ago
>read books(I was a child)(2000s/10s)
>look into geography and history
>go onto YouTube and do the same thing
>discover pop history(2010s)
>start getting into politics(2016 elementary schooler)
>Discover new atheism edgy liberal etc…
>after 2020 become a suckdem
>become a demsoc in 2022 after watching spooky scary socialist video on debunking every anti-com arguement
>breifly become a Trotskyist in 2023 before realizing that’s reatarded and reading Lenin and Stalin and becoming an ml
>get into soyjaks and discover the ‘arty and this website(YouTube videos)
>make a leddit account
>start posting on the Sherdee(midfag)
>go to college(I just finished freshmore year)
>get involved in some local leftist politics and start posting on the Sherdee daily
>finally post on this site
>get interested in Hua guofeng theory
>start namefagging
And that’s how I’m a communist today

>>2823294
started socdem / left leaning lib in a lower middle class family, naturally evolved more radical with time and the influence of my older brother who was into politics and history, eventually ended on leftypol in the 8chan days and started thinking the soviet enthusiasts and ML had a point (they were the best at arguing at least), and ended up full blown communist sympathizer / tankie
wont really call myself a communist though because I aint part of an org, I'm too much of an antisocial and cynical nerd for that

>>2823294
here's mine if any one cares
>born Muslim in a third world country. my family was largely middle class, but this is a third world country, nothing like the west, so still kind of bad

>see widespread poverty as a kid, beggars in the street, women with babies. not to mention the whole state of the country was just dirty and underdeveloped. disheartening to watch so many poor people begging for their lives while my family got to be driven around in a nice car. it used to make my little 5 year old self cry, and sometime my parents would kind of laugh at me

>move to the US at age 6. dad starts working odd jobs and night shifts to barely keep us afloat. growing up all the other kids used to make fun of me cuz me and my family lived in a cramped 2 bedroom apartment with 5 of us, and because I had knockoff shoes and cheap clothes.but the difference between America and the home country was so vast, I grew up feeling very comfortable, never really lacked my major resources, and my family wasn't consumerist so we didn't spend on anything extra, so I didn't often care that I didn't live fancy (of course it took a lot of effort from my family just to give that to me)

>first introduction to politics is 2016 election (elementary schooler). don't really know much but am hearing on the news how this trump guy is a racist wants to kick out Muslims, so immediately pick up hatred for him and his republicans.


>continue watching the news over the next few years, and hatred for this retard still remains. but feelings of angst towards things like poverty, injustice, still remain. still feel bad looking at homeless in america, or thinking of the poor back home. of course, I still don't know much about how anything works but I just have this vague idea that the govt should just help everyone, easy as that.

>2020 election comes along (middle school age), and now I'm a diehard Bernie bro, still don't know all the ideologies that exist, nor any major aspects of political economy, but the policies he rolls out (free healthcare, free education, free resources) are just common sense, right? why shouldn't we help the underclass

>he loses to Biden, glad trump lost also but other than that remain indifferent. however, the election has inspired renewed interest in politics, and now I'm looking more into this stuff


>I remain a committed economic populist. I continue to research politics, and now that I've started to get into paper trading stocks as a hobby, I can understand a lot of the economic structures in politics,


>learn about how domestic capitalism is fucking the working class. Reagan's neoliberalism, corporate profits, shrinking of real wages, people getting priced out of life. just makes me even more of a diehard progressive socdem who despises the establishment dems


>learn about liberals vs leftist, and decide I'm a leftist, we need mass systemic change. I had always been against the wars of America, but now I'm learning that these wars are intertwined with the very structure of capitalism. discovering that almost all forms opression are tied together even if it doesn't feel like it. (i.e. discovering the superstructure without yet knowing it was called that)


>since I already call myself a leftist, why not go into socialism? start researching more and more, and feel enlightened, communism isn't just muh everyone shares everything or muh government ownership. communism the only ideology that stands against oppression. against imperialist, against sexism, against racism, against exploitation, poverty and hunger. it felt like I had just taken a red pill. all the wars, the death, the destruction, its all connected, its all deliberate, its all because of a few thousand leeches in our wolrd. and now i finally found an actually comprehensive way to express all my viewpoints coherently. and that was thru communism. i felt some initial unease with the failures of AES, but quickly deprogrammed and saw through the propaganda.

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>>2829709
> nothing like the west
>widespread poverty as a kid, beggars in the street, women with babies. not to mention the whole state of the country was just dirty and underdeveloped

>>2829796
I'm sorry, I don't understand? what do you mean? that America is just like that? if that is what you mean, then I understand why you could feel that way, but be serious bro. America, despite its problems is nowhere near the conditions of the third world. when I said there were beggars, I mean literally half the entire makeup of any given street would just be beggars. in 2016, something like 13.5% of the country was living in extreme poverty. i'm not denying that America has poverty, but its just that I live in a decently well off metropolitan suburb in a wealthier blue state, so even if my family has kind of struggled, I hadnt really
seen all that poverty (like you see in Appalachia) with my own eyes growing up. most of the kids lived in nice houses. only when I researched this stuff did I find out the state of underdeveloped America. but what I was saying was that as a child, it seemed like a rich land, despite my personal status, simply because of the area I grew up in.
if you meant something else feel free to explain

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>be me
>Born into a country with a radical Muslim base.
>Father is a regular worker in a car factory, mom is a housewife.
>Poor as fuck, counting loose change to buy bread. My teacher buys books for me to read and study.
>Somehow still radically Muslim because of the values from my family.
>Hit the edgy phase, became a Nationalist (Kemalist) just to piss off my parents.
>Get into fights with them, staying at friends' houses and on the streets for a few nights sometimes.
>I lost faith, started reading about atheism. (Reading something different from world classics or religious books)
>At high school, reading more philosophical books.
>Try to meet with other nationalists and Kemalists.
>Reality hits, they are not the "people's will and voice" like they claimed.
>Homophobic, racist, and almost all of them are from rich, bourgeois families.
>Trying to blend in to prove I'm not an "ignorant, poor person from a lower class."
>Experience racism because my father is a Chechen, experience classism because of the neighborhood I live in and the education level of my family.
>Feeling lost, start searching for a solution ideology for people like me.
>Find the Communist Manifesto for the first time. First time buying and reading a leftist book, because leftist culture is very weak against religious culture here. It's really rare to find someone who calls themselves a Marxist.
>Immediately get into it, like reading a book that wants just to talk directly to me.
>Finding the economical situation that always made my life miserable explained very strongly.
>I practiced theory enough to organize in a Marxist-Leninist magazine movement. Keep reading to this day while taking action in union strikes and other movements while writing new articles about current struggles for the magazine movement I'm organized in.
>After all those books read and all those ideological journeys, I'm proud to say I'm a Marxist-Leninist or a communist.


And although I'm still an atheist, I'm on better terms with my parents now, maybe because I'm not a selfish, self-hating freak anymore.

i never understood how a person could "become" a communist or a libertarian or a christian or a muslim or a punk or a hippie or any other ideology, like as if an entire mode of thinking and outlook on the world could be something you just decide to put on one day, like it was an article of clothing. i have had the same ideology - my own ideology - since the day i was born and i've never adopted anyone else's ideology or had any interest in doing so. i have had moments where i realized i was wrong about certain specific things and then i amended my own ideology to account for it, but i have never had a moment where i suddenly felt as if absolutely everything that i think and believe is totally wrong and needs to be thrown out, that just seems utterly insane to me.

>>2830151
>i have had the same ideology - my own ideology - since the day i was born
completely delusional, if you seriously believe this its frankly embarrassing
ofc, you dont really believe it :
>i have had moments where i realized i was wrong about certain specific things and then i amended my own ideology to account for it

>like as if an entire mode of thinking and outlook on the world could be something you just decide to put on one day

if you had bothered to vaguely take a look at the thread, you would see how the ideology of various anons was gradually shaped and reshaped by their environment, upbringing, social relations and intellectual curiosity

>>2830165
>the ideology of various anons was gradually shaped and reshaped by their environment, upbringing, social relations and intellectual curiosity

yeah that's what i find weird about it, that it all just comes from outside influence and not from within. it's like their heads are just buckets that start out completely empty and over the course of their lives get filled with other people's conventional ideas and contain nothing original or weird or unique. bucketheads.

>be me
>be born in America
>be a zoomer
>be in elementary school when Trump gets elected (Yes I am that fucking young)
>hear your parents talk about how much they hate Trump and wish Obama was still president
>Start to hate Trump too because your parents do
>Biden wins election
>really like Biden at first
>Gaza genocide starts
>Be mad at Biden's complicity
>Start to hate the democratic establishment
>Start to like Bernie
>Start to like socialism
>love for socialism becomes love for communism
Im so glad I didn't end up going down the Groyper-Route like so many other Zoomer-White-Boys like me have


>>2830514
This retarded because by that logic the ussr allowed gay sex with teens because there weren’t any laws about gay people(1917-1933)

Very well, where do I begin?

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet.

My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles.

There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.


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