/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Because the bourgeoisie deliberately obfuscate class relationships to prevent workers from understanding their interests and with (or against) whom they are aligned.

>>2825446
>only "blue-collar" workers are working class
>teachers and office workers aren't
don't know where you heard this but it was probably from an idiot because working class constitutes people who earn a wage, it's that simple. twitch streamers, internet personalities, musicians and artists, these are the grey areas. some of them might be considered working class if they exchange their labor for an income, but if they do it on their own terms they're pretty much petit bourgeoisie.

>>2825446
During the 20th century, liberals successfully gaslit everyone into believing that class in an economic sense had been abolished, and now 'working class' was just a vague cultural signifier which is identified by how you conduct yourself and not your actual relationship to the MOP

>>282545
Eg this is the official class breakdown the UK government uses, your actual income doesn't matter at all, only your job classification, a teacher on shit money is solidly middle class whereas a plumber on 100k is 'working class'.

>>2825450
>Because the bourgeoisie deliberately obfuscate class relationships to prevent workers from understanding their interests and with (or against) whom they are aligned.
not just ideologically, but physically. the USA invented things like the 401-K. Instead of public pensions like in many countries, we have an employer-mandated retirement fund where your retirement goes into the stock market. So it ties your future to fictitious capital.

Not to mention things like Yellow Unions

>>2825458
>Upper, Middle, Lower aren't A1, A2, A3
>C2 and D aren't part of the same subset
what a strange categorization.

>>2825446
>why do americans have an odd definition of who is "working class" or not?
we are completely culturally isolated from the rest of the world. calling DPRK a hermit kingdom is pure projection. we use imperial measurements instead of metric. we use toilet paper instead of bidet. Instead of football (soccer) we have football (hand-egg). Instead of labor day on May 1st, we have labor day on September…. 7th? Combine this with our military-economic hegemony and our founding fathers larping as romaboos, and our insane two party system, and we have a political, economic, and cultural system that is too stupid to absorb Marxism.

>>2825464
I'm guessing the reason there's C1 and C2 is because it was originally ABCDE and they decided to split up C for more granularity

>>2825464
"Since the creation of the system, the size of the white-collar groupings (ABC1) grew from 34% in 1968, to 55% of the population in 2016. Within this section, the professional and managerial groupings (A and B) doubled, from only 12% in 1968 to 27% in 2016.[3][4] C2DE has shrunk over this period from 65% to 45% of the population. With pensioners and unemployed people included in C2DE, this means that ABC1 represents a majority of the working population.

A 2019 YouGov poll found that 41% of ABC1 identified themselves as working class (and 51% as middle class), while 66% of C2DEs identified themselves as working class (and 25% as middle class). Matthew Smith, Head of Data Journalism at YouGov, said that while NRS groupings "are often used as shorthand to refer to the middle class and working class", "the problem is that the NRS social grade was never designed to describe class".[8][9]"

Supposedly it's not supposed to be about class, even though it's 90% of the time used as a shorthand for it and the pic I linked is literally from GCSEs textbook material.

>>2825481
jesus christ the brainwashing is horrifying

>>2825446
Americans understand that to be a prole you have to create value. That's why no one takes service workers seriously.

>>2825458
its so funny how only certain categories of classes can shop at Costco in the uk

>>2825631
Even though most Americans are service or distribution workers

>>2825631
Service workers do create surplus value. Read Marx.

>>2825683
they create surplus value, but don't have any leverage because they're interchangeable and honestly kind of useless and getting replaced by the internet.

>>2825631
so true this is why america has the strongest proletarian movement

It's just resentment at the difference in quality of life, so they try to insist white collar workers aren't part of the club.

To be fair, the managerial class gets more and more bougie the higher up the ladder you go, even though in principle they should all be proles, because as you go up the incentive structure doesn't just force alignment with bourgeois imperatives but the compensation they're paid, especially at the executive level, allows them to become part of the bourgeoisie themselves, especially as shareholders.