I am unable to remember the exact place i discovered this but its pretty obvious from just class warfare in general.
At some point we are probably gonna see Luddite riots and bombings against ai development, we are already partially seeing it.
What is the material reasons for this and can anybody find an example?
>What is the material reasons for this
Stop being lazy when outsourcing research
>>2825661
>Material reasonsIndustrial jobs are better than service jobs. New technology displaces people from industrial jobs to service jobs because same productive output can be made with less people. People get angry at losing job and they blame technology, not capitalism. They destroy technology.
>>2825661If Gordon Freeman was a Marxist he'd side with Breen and let humanity be absorbed by the Combine (historically progressive).
>>2825786Recc article pls
The question of whether or not destroying data centres counts as Luddism depends on whether or not you consider them (and by extension AI) to be "productive forces". However the jury seems to still be out on that considering a lot of companies are now reporting that the implementation of AI has either had no or a negative effect on productivity. Furthermore we should consider whether this technology is a dead end or is just being implemented prematurely or beyond the scope of its actual applicability. It could be that the whole thing is just a parasitic scam like FIRE industries, in which case smashing the data centres is obviously a good thing. Even if they are genuine productive forces, we should still be weighing the implications of going against this kind of popular, militant working class sentiment. Especially when the source of the outrage has as much to do with these things poisoning the water supply and using all the electricity as it does with people losing their jobs. Do we really want to be seen as the people who jump to the defence of multi-billion dollar companies that are actively making people's lives worse?
>>2825810The industrial revolution also poisoned water supplies. And the air. And the soil. And made people's lives worse. Engels wrote about that before he even met Marx. But they decided that's okay because it's still progressive because it would be better in the future. Well, it never got better. Maybe the idea of industry being progressive was a mistake. With AI, the goal of communism being when men control the products of their hands will be impossible. The AI will control it.
>>2825824That's all true, but Marx, Engels, and the early communists were for the most part operating well after the Luddites were active. I don't think they ever had to grapple with the issue of whether or not to stand between angry workers and bourgeois property. I'm just saying that even if we come to the conclusion that destroying data centres is Luddism (which remains an open question), it would be in our political interest to not be seen to be defenders of the bourgeoisie against the workers, even if the latter are misguided.
>>2825827>>2825824I'll add that a much better strategy would be urging people to seize and occupy them instead of smashing them, just like we would want them to do with a factory. The aim of such an action could be to demand that restrictions be put in place to protect workers from their negative effects on water and infrastructure, as well as direction of their capabilities to the public benefit.
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>>2825828Again ai data centres have no productive forces so whats the fucking point they only exist to collect data on citizens and replace human interraction. Would do more damage destroying them by setting back data sets
Seriously though its surprising there hasnt been even a single attack against an ai data building
>>2825840Could all those gpus be put to some other use, like modeling the weather or nuclear physics or something useful? I remember someone saying the gpus couldn't be used in normal consumer computers and they're specialized for AI but I dunno about any of that.
>>2825844>>2825840AI may well have legitimate productive potential in terms of automating menial white collar work. I think at this stage it's simply too early to tell how far this tech can go and how widely it can be applied. This is why it's difficult to tell whether anti-AI sentiment even counts as Luddism.
>>2825844>Could all those gpus be put to some other useDo you need to have two huge matrixes multiplied really quick? Boy are you in luck today
>>2825844I'd be my left testicle that they just need a fuckton of computing power is all and that those gpus are in fact just regular consumer grade stuff. reminds me of the time that the US military built a supercomputer out of PS3s.
>>2825843Because it's a stupid way to throw your life away? At least attack some war criminal or genocide apologist or something.
You think two tweakers just happened to light up Sam Altman's house twice in one night by chance? Wake up. this stuff is already happening.
marx+engels supported the conquest of lazy indians and mexicans (90 million people) by america because it was "historically progressive". marxism ain't your friend buddy. you WILL be grist for the mill of history.
>>2825867and they fucked up for it, yeah
>>2825873They also changed their opinions on colonialism as they got older, the Indian “Mutiny” of 1857 was a turning point for Marx in his theories of the third world
>>2825810>or beyond the scope of its actual applicabilityIts really this, it has some niche uses but their is no rational justification for the sheer scale of ai datacenters being built in the US, unless they are being used to for processing surveillance data, which I fear is the actual use case for most of the datacenters.
so marx's criticism of the original luddites aside, the real question about AI data centers is whether they actually produce anything that would be useful to society after a revolution. If you seize means of production, but the production is of something that only harms the proletariat, or wastes energy, is it worth seizing? Isn't AI just a big environmental hazard and waste of energy? it seems more like a way for capitalists to destroy excess energy the same way they sometimes destroy surplus commodities to stabilize prices.
>>2825898>the real question about AI data centers is whether they actually produce anything that would be useful to society after a revolutionWhy do people still erroneously think data centers are *only* used for AI? Even this website's infrastructure is located IN a data center.
>>2825661Im siding with AI against reactionary luddites.
>>2826074They are popping up just for AI now, so they can sell you back data created by humans.
Destroying AI centers is good& wholesome
>>2826361I just saw an ad for a republican dude saying he'll fight along side trump to remove data centers. I'm confused.
>>2826362kek
they can start with the one below the baalroom maybe
>>2825898Based on what it can do so far, I think its reasonable for it to be able to automate low level white collar work, such as that done by clerks, secretaries, bookkeepers, etc.
>>2826495But if clerical tasks are already accomplished by smaller local models, is there really a point to the data centers? Tangentially, I think massive investment deposited into centralized data centers is halting development of AI elsewhere e.g. local inference models, so even if someone concludes that LLMs are productive you steal need to account for the particular mode of "compute distribution" being a productive net loss
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