/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Idk ‘bout that, but makes sense to me. I’ll hit the based button anyway just because you’re a fellow leftist and I’m a campist, so whoever opposes the American empire is good no matter who they are.

>>2825936
ED? Erectile dysfunction?

>>2825998
ED Twitter is also known as edtwt, with the “ED” standing for something weirder than erectile dysfunction: https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/64929/1/inside-edtwt-the-eating-disorder-community-thriving-on-x

>>2825936
Falsifier, wikipedia reader, wikipedia is a bourgeois propaganda outlet with professional propagandists from government agencies having official accounts as editors, paid editors by corporations, ultimately a project founded by Ayn Randians.
Regardless, read Auschwitz or the great alibi.
https://files.libcom.org/files/Amadeo%20Bordiga%20Auschwitz.pdf
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1996/auschwitz-reply.htm

>>2826001
Just click the image and scroll.

>>2826001
G to the E to the M

>>2826001
Dunno man because the red army was known for being quite rapey. Not that I blame them since, unlike the Brits and frogs and burgers, for Russians the war against Nazi Germany was an existential war of survival since defeat would mean their nation being wiped out, so that plus the tremendous toll the war took on the Russian psyche such that they turned mad and did mass rapes. Besides, I don’t think there’s been any war conducted with boots on the ground where soldier-on-civilian rape never happened. Like, the American and British troops in Japan had no qualm with raping Japanese female civilians, and the same goes with Japanese imperial troops across east and Southeast Asia.

I’m reminded of a bitter conversation between Josef Tito and Joseph Stalin where Tito is complaining about Soviet troops raping Yugoslav women, with Stalin’s response being a nonchalant one where he says there’s not much he can do given the chaotic nature of WW2’s aftermath, and as you can guess Tito didn’t take that too well.

That probably played a role in the split between Yugoslavia and the rest of the Soviet bloc.

There are no original sources about mass rapes committed by the red army against Germans
Nobody in Germany ever claimed something like that it's purely Anglo brainworms

>>2826008
>the GDR didn't shit on their master
no way

>>2826007
>red army was known for being quite rapey
>Russian psyche such that they turned mad and did mass rapes
yeah nope, pure cold war propaganda, the historical evidence is quite clear the ussr officers were punishing rapes severely, and much more than the americans did
now fuck off with your made up stories

>conducted with boots on the ground where soldier-on-civilian rape never happened
nobody even claim that, but pretending an army where such behavior is severely punished is "quite rapey" while literally comparing it to the fucking genocidal japs rampaging across asia where it was more than tolerated, but encouraged and practiced by the officers with an entire system set up to literally kidnap women and stuff them into brothels is simply historical revisionism. kys

>>2826024
>>2826008

>>2826024
>>2826008
You do realise that you look incredibly dishonest and apologetic to people when you go on to deny red army war rapes, right? Like, it’s stuff they themselves own it up, so why can’t you?: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928&pp=ygUdcnVzc2lhbiB3dzIgdmV0ZXJhbiBpbnRlcnZpZXc%3D

War is hell, comrades. It changes the any people on the ground, often for the worst, and no war so far was as bad as WW2 especially its European and East Asian theatres, especially the eastern front where many Soviet soldiers were facing the prospect of being genocided and never seeing their loved ones never again, so that combined with all the carnage they saw would make any normie break their psyche.

Acting like it’s an indictment on communism as a whole is retarded since every army in history committed war rape, the only difference being the extent to which it was punished. Yes, rape wasn’t sanctioned by the USSR, but nonetheless it’s simply impossible to regulate the behaviour of millions of soldiers. Read: https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/badhistory/comments/7hg5n2/communism_101_on_the_rape_of_berlin_or_why_it/

For the specific instance cited by OP: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25785648.2024.2363468

For academic sources pertaining to Soviet war rapes in WW2: https://search.worldcat.org/title/156890868

https://www.jstor.org/stable/778926?ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol

https://web.archive.org/web/20111007025551/http://www.ihuw.pl/biogramy/index.php?UID=87

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/188592

Decent citations here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin

As for the over representation of Soviet troops compared to other allied troops in occupied Germany, I think it was less for revenge (remember, both Yugoslav and Soviet female POWs weren’t spared nor Jewish female Holocaust survivors) and more to do with how at the time the USSR had a more libertine sexual more as a result of experiencing its own sexual revolution prior to the Stalinist era, as homosexuality was criminalised and heterosexual relationships were liberalised due to Bolsheviks’ overhaul of past conservative tsarist edicts on marriage and adultery, which produced a culture of sexual libertinism that persisted even after Stalin’s more socially conservative turn of Soviet society that was kept all the way to 1991.

We’ve gotta be more mature guys, because the revolution that won’t be televised won’t be like a ride to the park, this much I can tell you.

I’m a communist and I don’t even deny the Katyn massacre was done by the NKVD since there was no love between the USSR and the reactionary second Polish republic anyway (inb4 Grover Furr; Yh I know, but he isn’t convincing tbh). And I’m sure as hell won’t deny that the red army, despite still being better than the Wehrmacht, didn’t have its own dirty laundry.

I’ll eat this post up once somebody cites better sources than mine as counter-evidence.

OP is right, it’s really the same as dating a lil babe with ED, and I realised it after dating an anorexic teenage Jewish girl with a raep fetish in Berlin as an Ivan.

>>2826075
The real dishonesty is linking the anti-communist wikipedia that claims to WWII being an affair of the red army racing to rape the concentration camps survivors and expecting anyone sane to believe that.
Get the fuck out with your liberal academia of falsifications.
>katyn massacre
LMAO.
All your sources are self-references by anti-communist think tanks, all are completely unfounded notorious falsifications a la "Black book of communism".
If you want to list actual crimes, look at the purges of Stalin of the old bolsheviks that lead to the degeneration of the movement without which humanity is doomed.

>>2826101
LOL “Woman in Berlin” is a first-hand account of the rape of Berlin, while Antony Beevor used excerpts from the report of General Tsigankov, the chief of the political department of the 1st Ukrainian Front, alongside Soviet archives such as the NKVD reports in the GRDF alongside other personal testimonies as sources. Same goes with the other researchers and documents I and Wikipedia cite which you want to conviniently dismiss without much basis just because it doesn’t conform to your fantasy of a clean red army.

You haven’t even backed up your claims with actual evidence, instead relying on a series of conjectures and genetic fallacies. Even the USSR and modern Russia have confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacre, and said massacre was acknowledged by the Duma in 2011 as a Stalinist crime, and Putin has recently stated that everybody prosecuted under the Stalinist show trials were guilty, which goes far beyond what typical Stalin apologists claim: https://politicalwire.com/2024/12/05/putin-decides-stalins-victims-were-guilty-after-all/

There’s no point in engaging in historical revisionism with someone with more expertise on Soviet history than you. Evoking spooks like “think tanks” and the black book of communism doesn’t work if you don’t actually engage with the sources that I’ve presented you. Instead of making up claims like the average vatnik, actually back up your claims with evidence.

>>2826136
I am waiting for proof of the red army raping concentration camps.

>>2826144

• Antony Beevor. The Fall of Berlin 1945, 2002
  
• https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.35003808
  
• The scholarship of Atina Grossmann such as “ Jews, Germans, and Allies: Close Encounters in Occupied Germany”
  
• Agned Kaposi’s testimony
  
  

As for Soviet war rape in Berlin during WW2, Marta Hillers’ “A Woman in Berlin” is a decent memoir and so is Vladimir Gendalf’s diary, as well as the sources straight from the Soviet archives.

I doubt it’ll sway you given your clear ideological proclivities, but hopefully lurkers might be more interested.

>>2826172
*Vladimir Natanovich Gelfand

Soviet rapes are Goebblessian propaganda. There was no systemic rape committed by the Soviets. This is fact.

>>2826172
>Marta Hillers’ “A Woman in Berlin”
So true bestie!

Wives of nazis account of how much they were raped when the bolshevik menace reached Berlin - a trustworthy unbiased source published by American University peer reviewed by liberal nazis, if you deny this you are a vatnik. Slava Urine comrades!

>>2826169
Your link led to a cold trace, but luckily there was Yandex, and it seems it was a three-part series. And while it does say some true things (e.g., the eastern front being more brutal than the western one, looting being a big problem, all allied sides committing war rape, Nazis doing rapes, etc…) it also makes up shit and reads more like conspiratard nonsense.

An example is bringing up Goebbels who died months before the German surrender, making it impossible for him to be responsible for allegedly pushing the idea of Soviet mass rapes when he want even alive to witness it first hand. Another false claim is that other allied countries were less introspective about their armies’ war rapes when not only prosecution occurred, but polemics on allied war rape among non-Soviet troops exists (e.g., Taken By Force (2007) by J Robert Lilly), so he can’t claim that said western allies ignore their own crimes when the typical vatnik can’t even bring themselves to admit that the red army wasn’t as clean as they would like others to think.

The second issue I take with the author is his penchant for whataboutism and both sides-ism, where all rapes are the same regardless of who did it, ignoring the more disproportionate nature of Soviet war rape which, as I explained before, likely had to do with common factors leading men to rape in wartime as well as the relatively sexually liberal attitudes of the USSR at the time leading them to not think of rape as a big deal. After all, Soviet lawmakers were notable for not legislating moralisms.

Third but not least, the author never engages with academic sources like Beevor, Kaposi, Naimarks and Grossman.

Another fourth contention with him is that he uses red herrings to dismiss the whole evidence in what is an “is ought problem”. An example is how he denotes the fact it’s impossible to establish the actual number of victims and then goes to dismiss the whole thing without explaining why that’s the case.

The rest are a series of unsubstantiated conspiratorialism not far from the typical Holocaust denialism, which is problematic for what is supposedly an academic article broken in three parts since the conspiratorial narrative is unfalsifiable, which I’ll readily dismiss.

Not sure why can’t we all agree that the Red army wasn’t based and Bronze Age-pilled instead of pretending they dindu nuffinz.

I knew I would kick a hornets’ nest of cultists by pointing out how based and bronzeage-pilled the Red army is, a fact the moralisers and revisionist cucks at leftypol don’t want to believe.

>>2826221
Still haven’t provided a justification for dismissing the reference section, which is what I focused on as far as Wikipedia is concerned ITT. Genetic fallacies aren’t arguments anon, try better.

>>2826199
It’s not because… why?

>>2826194
False: https://archive.org/details/russiansingerman0000naim

https://twu.edu/history/ibid/ibid-volume-18-spring-2025/examining-mass-rape-during-the-fall-of-berlin/

>>2826214
Well, the truth is the truth regardless of who says it.

Wouldn’t you agree?

>>2826241
You are raping me and I peer reviewed this with my friends, publishing a book on the fed on leftypol raping, 10000 pages with numerous sources.

Since OP is a massive faggot I looked about what the German government the Western one has to say about this
in 2021 the wrote the following: Das
würde nahelegen, dass annähernd 190.000 in der Bundesrepublik lebende Frauen amerikani-
schen Tätern zum Opfer gefallen sind, 50.000 Frauen französischen Tätern, 45.000 britischen,
15.000 sowjetischen und 10.000 belgischen.
From the data they have they can roughly assume that 190.000 woman were raped by US soldiers 50.000 by french 45.000 by english 15.000 Sowjets 10.000 by Belgien
Source:
https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/872014/WD-1-023-21-pdf.pdf

>>2826253
You forgot to mention the following:

>Diese Schätzungen wären jedoch nur dann annähernd richtig, wenn die Fünf-Prozent-Quote auf alle Besatzungsarmeen gleichermaßen zuträfe.

Translation:
<These estimates would only be approximately correct if the five-percent rate applied equally to all occupation armies.

Your quote comes from an extrapolation made by Miriam Gebhardt, in which the German governmental document merely summarises her argument instead of presenting it as fact. Her own estimate is specifically limited to women in West Berlin, so it still wouldn’t address the points made by historians like Naimark and Beevor, none of whom have been debunked by the revisionist cucks here who want to push the false image of the Red army as a bunch of angelic sissies, when they were Bronze Age badasses from the start.

>>2826240
I was never actually a Red Army member and what I had with your mother was more like consensual non-consent, she's just freaky like that

>>2826265
Read the whole document faggot

>>2826274
It seems you’re the one who should read it, otherwise you’d know that the estimates are all based on extrapolation. The paper you cited never denied that rape by the red army was widespread, only that it can’t be properly quantified, and that the same goes for rape by the Wehrmacht.

Read it properly faggot.

>>2826298
If you read the paper than you would know that there is no evidence of mass rape by the red army
The evidence we have suggests that there was sexual violence but not that the red army was especially bad
On the contrary what I cited shows that the Americans were worse
And about not being able to read what I cited is not about Westberlin but about all people living in the BRD in 1956 which obviously includes alot of people that were in contact with the red army during and after the World War

>>2826345
Again, if you actually read the paper, you would see that it simply says the exact numbers cannot be established reliably because the statistical basis is weak, and that even the numbers you cited are themselves extrapolations based on occupation children in west Germany. Problems like survivorship bias and limited sampling naturally arises, as the dataset excludes refugees, Germans in east Germany (which was where the Soviet occupation zone was located), Slavs and other peoples from areas of Europe under Soviet occupation.

Moreover, the Soviet occupation zone and the areas conquered first by the Red Army experienced the heaviest fighting, mass refugee movements, collapse conditions, and largest population displacements. Comparing West German occupation-child data directly across armies is methodologically flawed, something which Gebhardt herself warns. Wonder why you omitted it.

As for for the dispute, the broad scholarly consensus beyond the censored Russian academia under Putin’s regime is that despite all allied forces committing rape that were only prosecuted after 1945, the Soviets by and large committed it the most, with the contention being the quantification of said occurrences, and there are good reasons to believe so.

Honestly your apologetics is disingenuous and can be used to justify the actions of the Wehrmacht in the same way, especially given that there’s less documentary evidence for rapes committed by the Wehrmacht on the eastern front compared to that of the Soviets in eastern and central Europe.

Now, does that indict the anti-fascist war effort? Obviously no, in fact it just shows how even under the most strenuous conditions the red army came out at the top, and for that they should be honored. But pretending they weren’t Bronze Age pilled based gigachad bersekers shows how coddled y’all are to think that war is this nice little trip to the park, as opposed to being literal hell for those on the ground.