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Obviously their goal is to establish greater Israel but what is supposed to happen after that? Christian-Zionists believe that the rapture will happen but what the hell do Zionist Jews think will happen after they steal all that land and genocide the native Arabs?!?!

There's is not "greater israel" plot, Israel can't do that because it isn't that powerful enought to conquer lands, maximum that may happen is that Israel desire military hegemony to do what it wants around the Middle East.

They want to recreate America’s expansion across the continent. No reason to form a union or do class struggle when proles can steal a house and do primitive accumulation.

Fascists don’t usually have super coherent goals other than kill and dominate the out-group, right? The want to expand because they believe it’s their destiny as the chosen ones; they’re ethno-suprematists.

Third temple

same as Nazi germany. Only pro-Jew Fascism instead of anti-Jew

>>2826606
There are definitely such ambitions among the more vicious Zionists. They know that within their current borders the Zionist project is not self-sustaining and would be in existential danger if it were to ever lose US patronage. They see the only way for Israel to survive long term and stand on its own two feet is for it to dramatically expand its borders.

the minds of the dominators are all fundamentally the same. It's a causa sui, an internal drive, itself as its own goal, and it's not unlike the drive to accumulate capital

>>2826702
How would that make the "project" more stable ? Unless they somehow triple in numbers as well

>>2826753
It would give them strategic depth and far greater available resources to fuel an independent military industry.
>Unless they somehow triple in numbers as well
That's why Zionists are constantly trying to convince, scare, coerce, or do anything else to encourage Jews abroad to immigrate to Israel.

>>2826591
You need settlers to do settler colonialism. Israel could have received millions of refugees from Ukraine if they wanted, but they chose not to do a huge "migrate to Israel to not be at war with your neighbors" push even before October 7. So Greater Israel claims are unfounded.
Israel does want to kill millions of people or at least make their lives absolute hell. It also wants to have what amounts to puppet regimes to be in power everywhere in the middle east. They're doing pretty well in both categories, but just pretty well isn't enough for them, apparently.

There’s only 15 million jews or so in the world, 7 million are already in Israel, even if their population doubled and literally every jew was there it wouldn’t be possible nor even desire able for them to conquer the whole levant and Egypt

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picrel are the borders that theodore herzl's word zionist congress actually wanted

>>2826591
This is like asking some warlord what they're gonna do now that they have a harem of 100 women. Get a harem of 200 women, duh.

>>2826821
its capitalisms ultimate contradiction, it requires infinite growth. maybe you could diagnose capitalists with some kind of psychiatric disorder

>>2826591
>Obviously their goal is to establish greater Israel
Thats just a shitty meme. Their goal is to simply survive as a people.

>>2826838
>Thats just a shitty meme. Their goal is to simply survive as a people.
What the fuck are you talking about?!?! Are you a Zionist or something because if their goal was just to survive then we would of had peace decades ago

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>>2826838
>Thats just a shitty meme
then why do ben gvir, bezalel smotrich, ben netanyahu, etc. keep referencing this idea?

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>>2826838
Can someone explain to me how prison rape of Palestinians help Israeli survive as a people?

>>2826838
Kys baby killing fascist cockroach


>>2826591
I'm not sure. It's probably something horrifying to do with energy, rare earth minerals and pharma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TA-35_Index

>>2826951 (me)
I suppose part of it might be that Lebanon has a water surplus and Israel's desalination plants are a strategic vulnerability.

>>2826591
they believe god will send them the jewish messiah and make all the goys their slaves. rabbi schneerson, the rebbe of chabad, foretold that netanyahu will be the last prime minister of israel before the messiah comes to rule them. I think that bibi losing his grip, and trump making moves to acquire israel wholesale means we can infer that trump is the jewish messiah. he's definitely doing his best to enslave more goys to serve israel.

bernie must be sad he's not the first jewish president.

>>2826591
>Zionist Jews think will happen after they steal all that land and genocide the native Arabs?!?!
Become a world power in it's own right, rather than a proxy for the US. Israel has it's own ambitions, independent of the US. But Israel's actual influence can only go so far, with their honey pot operations, and lobby networks.

They are still a subordinate partner to the US (but very different to a normal vassal)

>>2827008
>but very different to a normal vassal
It is so strange, has there ever been a relationship between two countries similar to this before in history? Its a vassal but it acts out against American interests sometimes.

>>2827018
Doesn’t this describe the post civil war pre WWI era relationship between the US and Britain? When America was a debtor country instead of a creditor?

>>2827027
Except that the USA was far bigger and more productive.

IMO it's that Israel is a big integrated circuit manufacturer and the USA doesn't want to rely on Taiwan.

>>2827062
You know it’s bigger than that, it’s a pit bull that attacks development and independence of the most energy rich environment in the world by a long shot (Vene and Guyana’s crude is much more capital intensive to process). These boomer politicians were fed and believed in the mythology of Gallant Israel pulling off the Six Day War and the Mtebe Raid long before there were even mossad blackmail rings the CIA decided it was cool with because they do the same thing in all our proxy states.

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>>2826702
>They see the only way for Israel to survive long term and stand on its own two feet is for it to dramatically expand its borders.
There are crazy religious Zionists who want to conquer Jordan, but that's just not possible. I think the more arch-Machiavellian guys in the Israeli military establishment want to expand to "defensible" borders. They pulled out of the Sinai in exchange for normalization with Egypt, but Sinai is hard to defend because it stretches their supply lines by nearly 200 kilometers, which is more than twice the distance from Tel Aviv to their northern border. This was a big problem for them in 1973 because their pickets along the canal were overrun and wiped out by the Egyptians. The initial Israeli armored counter-attacks also failed.

I think there is interest in taking south Lebanon up to the Litani, and there are Israeli troops currently at the Litani now (and operating beyond it), because that's a more defensible natural barrier because it sits in a valley. I don't know if they'll stay permanently or not. They're blowing up and bulldozing a lot of villages in south Lebanon right now. But the last time they occupied south Lebanon it didn't work out very well for them. They see the Jordan River valley as their natural eastern border which is why they occupied the West Bank and began digging in there back in the 1960s, also they want the fresh water. Also the West Bank is high ground. It's interesting to look at the topography.

None of this rules out grabbing additional territory anyways. Like they grabbed some Syrian dirt when Assad collapsed which includes the peak of Mt. Hermon, which has military value, and a stretch of what used to be a demilitarized zone. Part of their strategy can also be to grab land to use as a bargaining chip.

I think part of the strategic picture, the way they look at it, is that their small size has both advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages are pretty obvious, but the advantage is they can rapidly maneuver troops around during a multi-front war. So, historically, they would try to smash their enemies in a piecemeal fashion along one front (in a matter of days) while trying to hold out on a second or third front and then rapidly maneuver troops from the initial offensive front to the other fronts, and then counter-attack along those fronts. But that becomes more difficult if you add another 200 kilometers in the case of the Sinai.

>>2826764
>It also wants to have what amounts to puppet regimes to be in power everywhere in the middle east. They're doing pretty well in both categories, but just pretty well isn't enough for them, apparently.
I think their picture of the Middle East is that there are roughly four-ish "groups." There are conservative monarchies (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE). Then there's the Axis of Resistance (which formerly included Syria). Then there's a Turkey-Qatar axis (Qatar is a monarchy but it's different), which now includes Syria. And then there's a loose "fourth" group comprising the minorities like the Kurds and Druze, and they almost consider themselves to be part of that group.

Not that the other people in that "fourth" group consider themselves to be in the same group with Israel (although Israeli Druze do). But this explains some of their positioning. They see the conservative monarchies as easier to deal with, although that used to not be the case, and they now have an alliance with the UAE (but not Saudi Arabia, although they talk to the Saudis). The Axis of Resistance are enemies and they want to annihilate them. The Turkey-Qatar axis is not an enemy which they're in an open war with, but it's like a Cold War and they don't like them. And they want to form alliances with minorities in the fourth group, so they see the Syrian Druze as a potential ally inside Syria.

BTW I think they're very much into deception and sleights of hand. Like deescalating on one front is an opportunity to rapidly escalate on another front. Or when people are looking at one thing, they will move in somewhere else where people are not looking. Israel has escalated with a ground invasion of south Lebanon in the midst of the Iran war, so the world isn't paying much attention to what's going on in Lebanon as they're destroying a bunch of people's homes and displacing the population. But then they might freeze things in Lebanon in exchange for something from Trump while he negotiates a deal, but when that happens, Netanyahu will suddenly escalate rapidly again in Gaza.

>>2826838
Jewish people were freed from death camps and protected by the Red Army, the strongest military in the world. You know you chose to move there because Israel gets immense subsidies from the rest of the western world and as such has a high GDP per capita. And you know that the very fact of putting all this high-tech capital in an active warzone is a subsidy when there are so many better options. Don't lie to yourself and others: you are an attack dog of imperialism and you chose to be so because imperialists offer treats.

>>2827018
It's fairly common, Bulgaria was a russian vassal before the balkan wars.

>>2827196
Safe edgy antisemitism. Anglos are much more moral and inventive people and they also opposed israelis doing terrorism and pogroms on palestinians when they still controlled the area.

Anglos out jewed the Jews trailing the with the cash.

Also some behind-the-scenes footage of Destiny's trip to Israel. He's a scumbag but there is a possibility he almost got his head blown off while peering into Lebanon from a hill on the Israeli side. If you look closely at 7:30 at high resolution you can see light reflect off a scope aimed at his group from the central village.

This is why Israelis are anxious about their northern border. The terrain on the other side is highly defensible, and you can get into firing points and fire into Israel with direct-fire weapons like ATGMs that take seconds to reach their targets. A direct-fire weapon for people who don't know travels in a direct line from the shooter to target, while an indirect fire weapon is like a rocket that can travel 20 kilometers and which you aim using mathematics. At any rate the northern border is such that the Israeli side isn't covered everywhere from direct-fire weapons, there are positions on the Lebanese side that overlook the Israel side.

Israeli troops might have taken that village and destroyed it now, but Israel is taking losses from FPVs, which I don't think they have a solution to. The situation they're facing now is a protracted situation where they just lose a soldier in Lebanon every few days from an FPV. That adds up over months or years.

>>2826650
>Fascists don’t usually have super coherent goals other than kill and dominate the out-group, right?
Well they can be aware of their limitations. Someone got flack for saying they want to survive, but they can believe that the only way to survive is to embrace a sadistic belief in power and the spectacle of violence, and what matters is the will to inflict overwhelming violence to cow people they won't wanna mess with them. But that makes people wanna mess with them. It's like they feel that any sign of weakness is a vulnerability, which is why Oct. 7 was so traumatic and frightening, because it made them look weak, hence the extreme and disproportionate reaction.

Images of Palestinian suffering hurts them but they seem to like images of destruction, especially buildings. For whatever reason they are fascinated by images of buildings blowing up. The IDF has events where they watch montage footage of villages being detonated with explosives. It's a theme in jingoistic music videos as well.

>>2826591
Capitalist nation enacting founding genocide and liquidation of working class and a faction of small capitalists. Easy.

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he arrives

What is the goal of Israel?
To fully become white.


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