Jewish people are an ethno-religious group that have largely been ostracized from Christian/muslim society because they were here first. It’s created, beyond just a religion, a form of ethnic identity. This board believes in decolonization, and in the principle that children should not be judged for their identities and the identities of their parents. That should extend fully to Jews as well and it’s far and away the biggest issue I have with this “leftist” group that many of you want to exclude such a large population of historically marginalized people. Some of the best leftists from Marx and Luxembourg to Goldman and Bookchin, Jewish individuals have written much of the theory we practice today.
We can, and should, be antizionist, but antizionism ≠ antisemitism. The most bigoted thing you can do towards a Jew is to assume they are spoken for by a genocidal apartheid regime, and to unionize your fight for antizionism with the rights fight for antisemitism. Don’t get the two confused and don’t be a schmuck.
>>2828649>The most bigoted thing you can do towards a Jew is to assume they are spoken for by a genocidal apartheid regimelook man i get what you're trying to say with this thread but it's not gonna work here. they'll just show you the polls where 90% of jewish people are in favor of the genocidal state of israel, and dust their hands off and say their assumption will be correct 9 times out of 10 and they shouldn't have to put in the effort for the 1 jew out of 10 who is anti genocide. they will also point out that similar genocidal assumptions are made about white people and nobody bats an eye. they will furthermore point out that it is on those 1 out of 10 anti-genocide jews to do something in their own communities to tone down the zionism the same way the non-nazi germans were guilty of not opposing nazism hard enough.
>>2828649Those protestors represent a tiny minority of Israel. The vast majority of Israelis are fully on board with the genocide. Israel is fundamentally an imperialist genocidal project - there is no reasoning with it, there is no compromising with it, it must be dismantled. In the same way that Rhodesia was dismantled.
And yes I'm addressing your images and not your post itself because I know what you're trying to do. You're saying Jews but you're in favor of Israel as a nation state which makes you a Zionist.
Who cares? It's a non issue like complaining about antiwhite racism
>>2828739>just war crime them backexcellent solution i'm sure this will happen and that it's the first step to a better world
>>2828755ask netanyahu nicely im sure he has an open ear for you
>>2828649i agree with the point against antisemitism, but most of the stuff that happens in the real world really isn't about identity in general even if the participants believe it is. the mistake of a chunk of the pro-palestine movement was arguing on the grounds of identity, when the problems the gaza massacre exposed were the same problems that the purpose of marxism is trying to address, namely a world where nation-states and capital motivate our reasoning and our actions by necessity, as banal as that sounds. getting bogged down in the particularities of identity and jewish opinion polls or fantasies of vengeance upon the zionists really does more to obfuscate that fundamental truth than to pursue a solution, no matter how unrealistic the marxist one may seem
>>2828741I want to make it clear that I am against the existence of Israel. It was started as a supremacist movement with widespread terrorism against Muslims in the region and has stayed that way for just about its entire existence. Maybe at one point they could’ve been reformed, maybe sometime in the future a state called Israel can even exist again in that region, but it will have to be completely different, politically AND culturally.
All of Israel’s politicians should be tried at The Hague and any just court would execute them. The majority of Israeli society that does passionately support this genocide should be imprisoned and the propaganda they spread to their children outlawed. However the real number of worldwide Jews that when met with the photos of mangled children will ardently support the regime is, I think a lot lower than 87%. The best thing we can do for them isn’t treat them like a monolith, or a near monolith, and to try and break that isolationist bubble their society put them in. We need to be more accepting of these people precisely BECAUSE they’re ostracized and see no path forward than through nationalism.
>>2828770What does capital have to do with Palestine? If Israel could employ them there wouldn't be a problem. Instead they want to do old fashioned tribal wipeouts and land grabs. Seems like what Palestine need is more capitalism. Or I suppose capital decided Palestinians are shitty workers? I suppose it will do that for the rest of us eventually.
>>2828649Please think of jewish feelings, this is the most important thing while a jewish supremacist settler regime is ravaging and mass killing children in lebanon and palestine with 95% support of global jewry 🥹
Jewish lives matter
#not all jews
>>2828901I don't believe you lol.
The images you posted gave the game away. Why would you post a protest in Tel Aviv unless you're trying to promote a narrative that Israel is salvageable? Your agenda is obvious.
>Maybe at one point they could’ve been reformed, maybe sometime in the future a state called Israel can even exist again in that regionbarf
>>2828755>i'm sure this will happenit won't
>and that it's the first step to a better worldit obviously is
>>2828753Antisemitism is a much more pressing threat than antiwhite racism given the number of synagogues being shot up by fascists.
>>2829150The difference is that one is an economic system and the other is a massive group of people. This association is exactly the problem, being for the rights of Jewish people is not “blue pilled”. It’s not even something adequately represented by Israel themselves, but idk if this board is ready for the “Israel are the real antisemites” conversation.
>>2829163Pretty sure half those shoot ups are false flags
>>2829211He wants you to support Zion Don like the guy in his picture.
>>2829135the choice between wage labor and slow death is exactly the choice capitalism offers to the poor. the sort of violence palestine has faced over the years has numerous analogies in history and isn't that unusual to the losers of the capitalist system
>>2829346>first use “trump derangement syndrome” was by Esther GoldbergHAHAHA
cut em and suck em right Epstein
>>2829363Circumcision should be banned but frankly it’s practiced by Christian’s in America about as extensively, and is much less harmful than female genital mutilation practiced by Muslim cultures.
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