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Why dont they just kill all palestinians? They could end this conflict once and all if they just rounded-up everyone from gaza and the west bank and shot them. Literally nothing is stopping them and nobody would care or try to prevent them if they did.
Yet they don't, why?

>>2829924
the only reason why iSSrael doesnt just shoot every gazan is because they wanna keep this sense of plausible deniability so they can look and say
>look at this heckin arap living in iSSrael that means were not a racist jewish supremacist state!!!!!!!

>>2829930
What would that accomplish?

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>>2829924
They think it will be too damaging down the line, that it will sow their doom, that paired with their proven inability to do it quickly, quietly and with minimal casualties to themselves.
That's literally it, if not they'd go full Sri Lanka mode, which they had a hand in themselves actually.

They are already doing that in the west bank

>>2829955
How so?

>>2829954
> full Sri Lanka mode, which they had a hand in themselves actually.
Qrd?

the same reason nazi germany had to start a global war before starting their extermination campaign

>>2829924
They need an enemy so they don’t focus on themselves

>>2829965
That's all be debunked btw

>Why dont they just kill all palestinians?
>Literally nothing is stopping them

obviously something must be stopping them if they aren't doing it. maybe it's time to sit in your thinking chair, anon.

>>2829924
It's a complete waste of ressources when they can just wait for Gaza to starve.

>>2829984
What is stopping them?

>>2829993
army logistics too hard with a conscript force that is filled with psychopath,that's great for actually killing,bad for making paperwork and SYSTEMATICALLY killing

>>2829993

that's a complex question and complex questions don't have simple answers. i suppose you could start with the mathematics of it, the total population of gaza and the west bank is about 5.5 million people and israel has a population of about 10 million people. nazi germany managed to exterminate at least tens of millions of civilians over the course of world war 2 but germany was a huge industrial superpower with a population of about 80 million at the beginning of the third reich and was formerly a vast and long-enduring global empire that ruled much of europe and had colonies all over the world, before the first world war germany was essentially the america of its time, the leading economic and industrial superpower of the world.

in comparison, modern-day israel is a comparitively much smaller and younger nation than nazi germany was, having only been recognized as an independent sovereignity in 1948 and before that it was a territory of the british empire and before that it was part of the ottoman empire. with the aid of much outside support from britain and then later the us they have developed into a more robust nation over the past decades with a sizeable military and high tech industrial economy, but they are still vastly overpowered and outnumbered by their neighboring territories and still heavily dependent on outside support, so they can't just do whatever they want without expecting any serious and immediate consequences, at least not at this time.

the mentality behind western support for israel and its wars is basically like an engineer's mentality toward an internal combustion engine - as long as we carefully funnel in the correct amount of fuel and air and keep everything nice and lubricated we can maintain a steady controlled explosion that drives the pistons and performs useful work for us and the engine will keep running indefinitely. in other words, as long as the west provides the right amount of financial and military support to israel, their wars will remain small-scale conflicts that we can financially benefit from and not escalate into a full-scale regional conflict that causes skyrocketing oil prices and economic chaos and potentially even nuclear war and basically be a huge catastrophe that benefits absolutely no one, i.e. blowing the engine.

of course the obvious problem with this line of simplistic mechanical non-systems thinking is, a country is not a mindless machine incapable of thought or agency and it's not going to simply take all of the wealth and resources you provide and burn it all up as fuel; its going to use some of it for developing its own industrial and technological infrastructure to gain some leverage of its own. this is exactly what has happened with israel, especially after their development of nuclear weapons capability, and now the west has been put in a very difficult position - they can't provide too much support or else israel will escalate the conflict into a regional war and blow the engine, and they also can't just totally withdraw their support or else israel might independently choose to go all-in and escalate the conflict into a regional war and blow the engine.

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>>2829924
I think it's more a divide-and-rule strategy although the IDF is engaged in organized and collective murder in Gaza, but Israel + occupied territories combined is more like if Lebanon was half-Jewish and they exercised much more effective military / police control over the land than the Maronite Christians were able to do. More than 20% of Israel (pre-67 borders) is Arab. This isn't to be like "well it's not actually what people think" but they want to keep the Arabs inside the pre-67 borders from blowing up. These are Arab communists in Nazareth (which is in Israel technically).

>>2829924
>Why dont they just kill all palestinians?
Would create a backlash so they do it slowly.

>>2829931
Both internal and external propaganda ops.

>>2830266
What backlash?

>>2829924
It's not quick nor easy to dispatch of millions of people without employing nuclear weapons, which would render the territories useless

>>2829984
We need a new blues clues show. Call it… green beans

>>2829924

Same reason why ICE, as ghoulishly cruel and vindictive as they may be, doesn't just shoot all the undocumented workers or even try all that hard to deport most of them.

Israel and the US both require a large, reviled, heavily-oppressed underclass to serve as their bottom-rung slaves. You've gotta slit a few helot throats sometimes, but you can't just slit ALL their throats; it's against the very nature of capitalism. It's the same reason why Hitler never was successful in any of his genocidal schemes while Stalin's population transfers—whatever else you might say about them—were remarkably effective.

>>2829958
Genocide at elephant’s pass in Tamil Eelam

>>2830664
as long as it's "slow enough" the average Palestinian can just put his head down and try to survive one more day,try to find a way to leave etc.
If you try to kill everyone right now at the same time,then it becomes "you shoot every IDF soldier you see on sight or you're dead",there is no uncertainty,no escape possible.
it's the difference between forcing the ennemy to retreat,and putting his back against a wall, yes, you will end up killing a lot more,but morale will not break them,since they can only escape by murdering you first

>>2829924
You are forgetting about all the capitalists who profit from war, surveillance of Palestinians, financial speculation, reconstruction, supplies, technology companies that acquire more data from the repression and censorship of Palestinians and supporters, the use of water and stolen land resources to auction and etc. Furthermore, the maintenance of the bourgeois Zionist state needs an enemy so that various politicians and capitalists maintain the status-quo of settler colonialism and alignment with US capitalist imperialism to discipline the workers of the Middle East and keep the Gulf monarchies under control aligned with US imperialist capitalism.
Much of what is done with Palestinians as a method of control exists as a test to later be exported to other puppets of US and European imperialist capitalism.

>>2829924
Actually, killing people in mass quatities is hard and costly. Specially if you want to use the land they lived on AND you don't want to anger the neighbourgs. One recent example is how Rojava abandoned a big islamist prison to be taken by the turkish proxies. Rojava didn't have the time nor the resources to kill the +1000 islamists there in hours.

>>2829924
why don't they just kill themselves? allegedly they're god's chosen people and can't go to hell but they spend all their time stealing land, gathering material wealth, and suffering psychic injuries from "anti-semitism".

>>2860092
They never would have killed them.
The daesh prisoners were a knife at the throat of DAANES held by the collective west. They refused to take or try their citizens and the rests, leaving them In the limbo of prisons, ready at a moment to wield their NGOs to didtainfully denounce the revolution pending any action taken.
Reminder that daesh scum got no end of NGO money and aid in their prisons whilst those outside in the liberated territories got nothing.

>>2860512
>wield their NGOs to didtainfully denounce the revolution pending any action taken.
And not to mention thry would have sent Al Jazeera and the rest to endlessly scream about 'le heckin sunni arabs are good boys who did nothing wrong!. The oppressed majority in their own lands!!!' At first sight of a jihadi animal.

>>2829924
their raison d'être as a people would vanish and the paranoia keeping the various jew factions together and their women shitting out babies would go away and they'd turn into your average hyperpolarized low fertility western country

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>>2860948
>hyperpolarized low fertility

>>2829978
Proofs or gtfo

It would be like the dog catching the car, they wouldn’t know what to do afterwards


>>2829924
Israel has its own racial contradictions with the Jewish ashkenazi/mizrahi/sephradi and bibi has been in power for over 20 years. A society like that needs an enemy or it turns on itself eventually, like how everyone in America is becoming racist and tribal towards each other without something like the Soviets or Nazi Germany as an exterior force to rally against in general

>>2860092
Rojava should have killed them all though

>>2829924
They need to exploit the Palestinians for cheap labor, especially in the settlements. They require Palestinians as a permanent underclass to exploit to produce the plenty of Israeli capitalist abundance. Who do you think does all the farm labor in Israel? Do you think it's some Kibbutzim? No. It's Palestinians serving largely the same role that Hispanics do in America.

>>2860092
>Actually, killing people in mass quatities is hard and costly. Specially if you want to use the land they lived on AND you don't want to anger the neighbourgs. One recent example is how Rojava abandoned a big islamist prison to be taken by the turkish proxies. Rojava didn't have the time nor the resources to kill the +1000 islamists there in hours.

I bet washington just said "no" and "keep going south, though, and rounding up arabs, we need them for later". And the rest is irony, i mean, history.


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