Is Murray Bookchin and Communalism worth getting into? Are there any Communalist currents today beyond Rojava? Could there be a commonality between Bookchin and Juche?
Your mentally retardes
The fate of Rojava should be a stern warning to y'all
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>degenerate pedo aristocrat without any hygiene which sabotaged the first internationale
>idealist evolutionist utopian socialist aristocrat
>literally who
>literally called book-chan
>does this retard even need an introduction
If you want to read a retarded zionist then sure.
Don't read Bookchin do read Apo.
Might as well read Mein Kampf and skip the pseudointellectual middlemen
>>2829957I would focus more on council communism instead of this newer communalism. Murrey Bookchin isnt that great tbqh.
>>2829990proof you've never read bookchin
>>2830020also to add, on the connection between bookchin and juche, i do believe that a an autarchy at the municipal level is important for maintaining relative autonomy between local and global spheres of coordination, allowing a balance between scalability localistic representation .. i think there is a lot of potential to experiment more with these ideas, but there does not seem to be much willingness to explore these ideas on this site. i am more coming from a schizo distributist nrx post-marxist perspective rather than an anarchist one though
>>2830028Thinkers like Pannekoek and Mattick provide a better class based analysis. Bookchins communalism replaces proletariat with class collaboration and centers the critique on hierarchy rather than class.
>>2830034Bookchin doesn't replace anything his writing is entirely Marxist but adds a civic component to it
>>2830037where is he wrong
>>2830035Bookchin is a woke Nazi cut from the same cloth as Noam Chomsky and other pedophile anarKKKists
>>2830042you're just talking out of your ass at this point
>>2830044
care to explain how or are you just retarded?
*poop*
>>2830040at the very beginning where he asserts that likud is the problem, and not zionism itself, and then even more laughably concludes that zionism should not be equated with anti-arab racism, followed by the naive idealism of a swiss like confederation of people living in kumbaya
Didn't they already surrender?
>>2829992This is unironically good advice.
>>2829992Apo. Not familiar. First name?
>>2830257Abdullah Öcalan (/ˈoʊdʒəlɑːn/ OH-jə-lahn;[5] Turkish: [œdʒaɫan]; born 4 April 1948 or 1949), also known as Apo[5][6] (short for Abdullah in Turkish; Kurdish for "uncle"),[7][8]
>>2830037Real anarchists support the Israeli state dumb ultra
>>2830245No he is discussing the problems of the likud government and then on a separate point stated that zionism is more then anti-arab racism. Is reading this hard for you?
And Swiss like confederalism already exists its not naive
>>2830040Are you a epstein?
>>2830676I dont wear tiny hats and fuck kids like bookchin, epstein, chomskey, and you do.
>>2830262This is actually true.
Anarchists went and traveled and fought for the Ukraine.
They traveled and fought anti zionists in Rojava, similar to being anti artifa is being a fascist, being anti antizio makes you a violation.
Anarkiddies would travel to Taiwan and fight for them too. Anyone the US state dept and their NED podcasters say to go they go.
>>2830680>>2830262Bookchin broke from anarchism Communalism is not anarchism
>>2829957He has an idiotic/religious view on ecology due to his anti-nuclear stances, among other things. It's important because it's a cornerstone of his theory. It ironically puts him closer to the anarcho-primitivist Heideggerian neo-Nazis that he frequently critiques in his work. Community gardens are not going to feed billions of people and we need to stop retreating to that utopian mindset. It's just atheistic religion to think there's some metaphysical, zero-sum "balance" to the world.
I do appreciate his later lack of tolerance for lifestylists. The failure of Leninism seems to have inspired this ultra-orthodox, theoretically pure position of thought experiments that can't be acted upon. Lifestylism is a natural byproduct of this, where you can sit around dressing funny and giving each other codenames, but always have an excuse ready for when something actually happens. It's like how the Anarchists turned on Rojava because they put ISIS terrorists in jail and that's a heckin' authoritarianism. Even if there wasn't a real, existing abolishment of the value form that's protected from all spontaneous occurrences of it, the council project (you guys know what a "soviet" is?) still provides an ideological grounding that "frees" people to actually think in a socialist/communist manner. It's similar to why Marx noted Russia as being a possible "model" for world socialism, due to its cultural background of collective farming. Contrast it to America where 99.9999% of populist socialists will describe fascism when they attempt to explain what socialism is ("making profits work for the people!!").
Rojava failed from being isolated in-between a variety of reactionary, hostile forces. It did collapse internally so anyone pointing at that is a fucking retard. Was China helping it? Of course not they were arming the enemies, like Israel. The USSR collapsed internally but there's a million excuses given for them. And Rojava wasn't even organized "from" Bookchin. One of the leaders decided he liked Bookchin's work, that's a big difference from the picture you sycophants try to paint.
>>2830692>He has an idiotic/religious view on ecology due to his anti-nuclear stances. It's important because it's a cornerstone of his theoryhow does having a stupid take on nuclear equate to an idiotic/religious view on ecology? His work on ecology isn't dependent on being 'anti-nuclear'
>Community gardens are not going to feed billions of people and we need to stop retreating to that utopian mindsetNo where in Bookchin's work does he claim this. This is just wrong and a strawman
>>2830685In sorry I used the wrong pronouns to describe your gender
>>2830692Rojava was in no way an enemy to Israel.
>describe fascism when they attempt to explain what socialism is ("making profits work for the people!!")My god are you retarded.
>>2830765Rojava fought against the axis of zionist resistance longer than they fought isis
>>2830672<One wonders why there was no storm of protest when Amnesty International in 1983 declared that “Syrian security forces have practiced systematic violations of human rights, including torture and political killings, and have been operating with impunity under the country’s emergency laws”? Why is there no concern over Syrian imperialism notably Assad’s fantasy of absorbing Lebanon and Palestine, including Israel, if you please, into a Syrian Empire — a goal every objective expert on the Middle East knows to be Assad’s Arabic version of Rabbi Kahane’s insane version of a “Greater Israel” — a notion that has been vigorously denounced by responsible Jewish and Zionist organizations in Israel and abroad?What does Bookchin mean by "responsible Jewish and Zionist organizations"? What other way can this be interpreted than being OK with "responsible" zionists while denouncing only "extreme" zionism i.e. Kahanists, Likudists, etc.? This is the liberal zionist position: Israel has the right to exist.
And he explicitly tries to decouple anti-arab racism from zionism at the very beginning. There is no other way to interpret this:
<There is certainly much one can criticize about Israeli policy, particularly under the Likud government which orchestrated the invasion of Lebanon. But the torrent of anti-Israeli sentiment that has surfaced in the local press and the virtual equation of Zionism with anti-Arab racism impels me to reply with some vigor.He explicitly laments "the torrent of anti-Israeli sentiment" and laments "the virtual equation of Zionism with anti-Arab racism" asserting that both "impel" him to reply. This is what he frames as a problem in need of a reply.
>>2830826>What does Bookchin mean by "responsible Jewish and Zionist organizations"?mainstream Zionist groups, Labor Zionists, liberal Zionists, peace organizations of the 1980s
>This is the liberal zionist position: Israel has the right to exist. Yes this is the extent of which his position on Israel is.
>And he explicitly tries to decouple anti-arab racism from zionism at the very beginningyes moderate zionism of the 1980s a la 'Israel has the right to exist' is not identical to anti arab racism
>He explicitly laments "the torrent of anti-Israeli sentiment" and laments "the virtual equation of Zionism with anti-Arab racism" asserting that both "impel" him to reply. This is what he frames as a problem in need of a reply.>He explicitly laments "the torrent of anti-Israeli sentiment" and laments "the virtual equation of Zionism with anti-Arab racism" asserting that both "impel" him to reply. This is what he frames as a problem in need of a reply.Yes this was also in the 1980s before settler expansion of the 1990s and today while also condemning the Likud government of the time.
>>2830902Hes still in favor of a western colonial project just because they share the same religion as him
>>2830945Bookchin was an atheist
>>2830950jewish zionists can be and often are atheists. zionism is an ethnonationalist doctrine, and the religion of judaism is, for many zionists, merely window dressing. this was the case for the founder, theodor herzl.
>>2830962And other zionists like Bookchin, Epstein, Shapiro, and others.
>>2830958Bookchin was an atheist
>>2830962The person said he shared their religion, he did not.
>>2830960Yeah Bookchin never supported the Nakba ethnic cleansing and condemned radical zionists
>>2830971So is Jeffrey Epstein. He has emails talking about atheist Jewish autism scores. These people have a religious. They believe they are gods and gentiles are their service.
>>2830977ok Bookchin didn't believe jews gods and gentiles are their service either
>>2830988thats a negative claim dumbass the proof is for lack of evidence in the affirmative
>>2830996This thread is filled with quotes of his Jewish Supremacist thought.
We have a similar example of Noam Chomsky we can compare Bookchin too.
I think we won here buddy.
Hes a Jewish Supremacist Zionist.
>>2831001you're so mad aren't you
>>2831001by this logic Marx is a Jewish Supremacist
>>2831005Marx wrote on JQ in full materialist thought.
He did not write apologia for war crimes.
>>2831014Where did Bookchin write apology for war crimes then? You're chimping out over spooks
>>2830245>followed by the naive idealism of a swiss like confederation of people living in kumbayaIsn't that just a libsoc type take on a one state solution?
>>2830976This, moderate and progressive zionists are ok to support
>>2830976zionism is ethnic cleansing, period
>>2831050Wtf?
Thats this board now?
>>2830692The entire Sunni Arab population seizing the opportunity to switch sides when Jolani kicked in the door is a pretty big internal factor
>>2831055Shut the fuck up ultra
>>2831055no it's just one or two anons ITT
>>2830971>The person said he shared their religion, he did not.besides the point in this situation. christian zionists like joe biden aren't jewish either.
>>2831015>chimping outyou have to go back
>>2831127And mfs on here will tell you to read this with a straight face
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