>>2830897>if tomorrow every CPUSA member died screaming in a fiery car crash you would be a very happy camper but nothing would change. your party would still be irrelevant, there would still be dozens of nominally communist parties without any power or membership or militancy and the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie would still keep chugging along through the DNC and RNC.To focus on the individuals within the organizations, to speculate on their personal psychology, careerist ambitions, or individual "bad faith" is to fall into the trap of liberal idealism. It mistakes the symptom (the behavior of the individual) for the disease (the structural function of the apparatus that contains them). The material reality is that the DSA and the CPUSA, PSL, and the likes are not simply "misguided" organizations; they are integral functionaries in the Non-Profit Industrial Complex (NPIC), which operates as a domestic counter-insurgency machine. To analyze this correctly is to see that the function of these "leftist" parties, irrespective of the intentions of their members, is to absorb, professionalize, and neutralize revolutionary energy before it can pose a material threat to capital.
The term "Non-Profit Industrial Complex" describes the sprawling network of foundations, charities, and service organizations that, under a legal framework, form an apparatus of social control. With over 1.5 million such organizations in the U.S. and combined assets in the trillions, this is not an auxiliary to the state; it is a central pillar of its hegemonic project.
The U.S. government and the CIA have a long history of using foundations and NGOs to destabilize hostile states, funding militant movements abroad to create chaos. At home, the same technique is used for the opposite purpose, to stabilize the state by capturing and misdirecting domestic dissent. As Robert L. Allen documented, the Ford Foundation gave millions to Black organizations in the 1960s, deliberately funding moderate leaders who would steer the movement away from revolution and toward integration into the capitalist system. This is not speculation; it is documented counter-insurgency tactic that has become more complex, and more embedded into material reality over decades.
The "Shadow of the Shadow State", Ruth Wilson Gilmore describes the most troubling sector of the NPIC as the "shadow of the shadow state". These are the ostensibly "left-of-center" and "grassroots" organizations that "work fervently to organize ordinary people against their own abandonment". They are the ground-level forces that channel rage into manageable projects, preventing it from boiling over into an uncontrollable insurrection. As Dylan Rodriguez argues, this "counterinsurgency machine" relies on this very "ensemble of universities, nonprofits, philanthropic foundations, and advocacy campaigns" to "temper revolutionary movements". They are not misguided comrades; they are the functional equivalent of social workers for the revolution, paid to keep the militancy just below the boiling point.
The counter-insurgent function of this NGO left is not a historical abstraction; it is the daily reality of the movement for Palestine. As detailed by the Black Alliance for Peace, the campaign to criminalize and isolate the Palestine movement has been privatized, with "professors, NGOs, and anonymous social media accounts" operating as "the new informant files". The liberal left does not merely stand by while the state attacks militants; it actively participates and logs the leftists they are close to. When revisionist and reformist leftists show up to marches and point agitators out to the police, aggressively, they are not bystanders they are performing the classic role of the "liberal or revisionist snitch," accelerating the "full spectrum campaign" that the state runs to neutralize its enemies.
We must also reject the moralistic victimhood that often accompanies leftist critique. It is not that the individuals in these NGOs are "traitors" in the sense of a personal, moral failing. Many are well meaning and sincere. The point is that their function is objectively counter-revolutionary, and the system ensures they perform this function regardless of their conscience. The liberal leftist who points out an "agitator" to the police believes they are "protecting the movement." They are not. They are doing the work of the state. The DSA member who spends months on a city council campaign believes they are "building power." They are not. They are building a career inside the cage they should be aiming to destroy.
If the entire NGO complex were to collapse tomorrow, and the "sea of leftists" who currently paddle in its wake were to abandon their reformist projects and join the actual, self reliant vanguard, things would indeed look much more ferocious. But they will not. They cannot. They are structurally bound to the apparatus that contains them. The task for the serious revolutionary, therefore, is not to moralize or to try to "win over" these organizations, but to treat them as what they are, the enemy within. They are a barrier that must be bypassed, not a coalition to be courted. The distributed vanguard does not wait for the NGO complex to reform itself; it organizes around it, through it, and in spite of it, until the day the apparatus of containment is rendered as obsolete as the bourgeois state that funds it.
At the 2024 DNC in Chicago, the protest was run by a coalition. To keep the demonstration "safe" and within the approved lines, they set up their own security teams of volunteer "protest marshals" in bright vests. The Chicago Police Superintendent even praised them publicly for "policing, basically, their own protests group" and "making sure their people stay in line". There's footage of revisionists yelling "AGITATORS, RIGHT HERE!" pointing people out like a snitch. -
https://unicornriot.ninja/media/march-on-dnc-2024-protest-marshals-block-protesters-from-approaching-dnc-venue/These marshals hired by socialists were seen at occupy, forming human chains around banks to prevent graffiti. This is a long standing tactic. They got into physical fights with other protesters who wanted to break away from the permitted route and march closer to the convention center. These are the types to yell non-violent while beating you for burning a flag. It's clear groups like
the PSL, DSA, CPUSA, are CIA CULTS We've seen patterns and material facts that prove this consistently over the years. This is all a deliberate strategy to enforce the limits of "acceptable" protest preventing resistance movements from overtaking activism and to push movements to collaborate directly with the state to suppress more militant action.
This same thing happened on a massive scale in Ferguson
After the uprising, mainstream civil rights groups and NGOs flooded in. Organizations like the NAACP and the Urban League were suddenly awash in cash, with "hundreds of millions" pouring in. But a lot of that money was just absorbed and funneled to the DNC. The money went to big, established groups that did very little actual grassroots organizing on the ground. Local organizers watched as their movement got "co opted by the interests of the nonprofit-industrial complex". There was suddenly an influx of people among crowds who were policing other people, manipulating people into disassociating from the masked rioters. They did this through rumors, and manipulation right there in live time, as well as throughout local social media. This was meant to create distrust and disconnect the militant solidarity from the broader community, a counter insurgency tactic used against the distributed vanguard. These people would get on megaphones, insert themselves into demonstrations and begin loudly enforcing their opinions as self appointed leaders.
This brings us to Al Sharpton. He and Jesse Jackson were sent in by the Obama administration almost immediately. Their job was to calm things down, to "urge demonstrators to give up their nightly protests and register to vote". But many local Ferguson activists saw him as a distraction and a fraud who was more about building his own profile than helping their struggle. One local minister accused him of having "pimped" and "hustled" the city before disappearing when things got even more dangerous for the cops. He showed up, gave speeches, directed the energy into his National Action Network, and then was "nowhere to be found" when the heat really turned up.
This is the core of the critique. The older generation of civil rights leaders were often "concerned that confrontation equates to violence". They tried to steer the movement into incremental, political channels, while the younger revolutionaries knew that the whole damn system was guilty and needed to be confronted directly.
Some of these people, perhaps even a lot of them, really do want change. But the structure they work within, the NGOs, the foundations, the established civil rights groups, turns them into a counter-insurgency force, and they are connected to the bourgeois state and it's logic. They become the "good guys" of the socialist movement, keeping things orderly and non threatening, pointing out the "agitators" to the real police, and ensuring that no real, systemic challenge emerges. The careerist leftist uses the movement to advance their career within that system; the activist class is the system's way of absorbing and neutralizing the movement. These are both wings of a very complex counter-insurgency web.
If anyone has any questions about modern counter insurgency, and police repression as relating to anti-capitalist struggle, ask. It will be answered, accuratelyFactory status?
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>>2831064ok what org instead
>>2831076O9a portland chapter ( gonzalo thought)
>>2831064the greentext at the top of this post was in the context of another thread. see we have an anon who keeps showing back up to act like CPUSA is a bigger threat to the "left" than the DNC and RNC. this argument OP is making is significantly more nuanced and if it is the same anon making it then i am glad he was triggered into fleshing out his thoughts a bit more instead of doing the usual spiel.
>>2831064>>2831078what i mean to say is: bravo. if you really are the same anon, and this is really what you thought all along then i am glad you are saying it. this is actually educational and thoughtful compared to the usual posts you make between bans. hopefully mods don't ban you for this. but they probably will. so I will save the text.
>>2831067> It's clear groups like the PSL, DSA, CPUSA, are CIA CULTS it all started with the Romans and their aristocratic collaborators in Judea inventing Christianity and the New Testament around 70 CE to pacify the Judean resistance.
>>2831067>If anyone has any questions about modern counter insurgency, and police repression as relating to anti-capitalist struggle, ask. It will be answered, accuratelyregarding these marshals who police their own protests and these snitches who point out "agitators" what is the correct tactic for countering agents provocateurs planted by the police? like if the pigs plant a person in the protest whose job is to start shit and get everyone arrested, wasn't this "snitch" stuff originally meant to counter that? and if that is not supposed to be countered, then what ought to be done instead?
>>2831069maybe this isn't the same guy. he writes way better.
>>2831085Felix writes well too he is actually pretty bright and if he didnt have a severe personality disorder he would be a great asset to a movement but instead he goes on grandiose rants and screeches at cpusanon
>>2831087my theory is that the guy who wrote those very good covert action articles isn't the same as "our" felix and that poor guy just got doxxed falsely
>The material reality is that the DSA and the CPUSA, PSL, and the likes are not simply "misguided" organizations; they are integral functionaries in the Non-Profit Industrial Complex (NPIC)
You didn't actually make any arguments to prove this though.
>>2831203fuck it, do immanent critique. pretend they are right and take that to its logical conclusion.
>>2831068>desk strewn with papers>tape measure>legs kinda sideways under desk>hands in typing pose but not reaching laptop keyboard>6 lamps over1 desk>file cabinet which nobody uses anymore>papers strewn all over flooreither some kind of pastiche for a hip hop music video, or a completely AI generated image
i would not assume this is a picture from a real org that exists IRL
>>2831068"communism only works on paper"
<fills every inch of the hq floor in paper100% praxis
>>2831203You're responding to a post devised by AI, likely ChatGPT
These posts are so obviously written by an LLM because it follows the same argumentation, length, and structure as all the others posted here
They also attract posters like flies to shit. This website is fucking doomed
>>2831203Yes I did. Did you not read it all?
>>As Robert L. Allen documented, the Ford Foundation gave millions to Black organizations in the 1960s, deliberately funding moderate leaders who would steer the movement away from revolution and toward integration into the capitalist system.Do you imagine that a materialist analysis would confine this tactic to the Black liberation movement alone? That would be ahistoric and idealist. So no, this is a generalized counter‑insurgency technique deployed against any struggle that poses a credible threat to the existing economic order. Capitalism losing favor is precisely why the DNC is going to integrate social democracy and the DSA. It will soften the blow, and weaken the potential of outright insurrection. This may appear benign or trivial, but the truth is this invisible COIN is not a singular event, nor a conspiracy of individuals. It is a material function of what must be understood as the NGO‑industrial complex, a permanent, adaptive apparatus of containment designed to absorb, redirect, and neutralize revolutionary energy wherever it emerges.
An analysis in Monthly Review notes that the "non‑profit industrial complex (NPIC)" served as a "nexus of private philanthropic organizations" that actively worked to "channel social movement energy away from radical change". This co optation offensive was not a secret. In May 2012, the movement's own publication openly decried attempts to "neutralize our insurgency with an insidious campaign of donor money and co-optation," warning that this "counter-strategy worked to kill off the Tea Party’s outrage and turn it into a puppet of the Republican Party" and was now being turned on them. Activists formed groups like "We Will NOT Be Co‑Opted" to resist, but they were not equipped with the theoretical base to resist it in NYC. In Oakland and Seattle, anti-imperialism, nihilists, Maoists, Anarchists, they were always kind of there. These were the cities that really stood out on the DHS threat map during occupy. In fact trumps obsession with these regions is just based on decades old FBI data. When the rest of the nation was still very anti-left these regions had a major base for these networks. So in Oakland, the anarchists and Maoists set aside their theoretical quibbles and formed a united anti imperialist / anti capitalist front to "deal with liberalism". They overrode the liberal organizers votes, broke through the NGO containment cordon, and turned Occupy into an actual anti-capitalist street war. Liberals were crying, and I mean literally. I've read report backs of some dropping to their knees in tears when the Anarchists and Maoists mobbed in to vote to rename the movement "The Oakland Commune" and to add "self defense and anti-imperialist pigs/police" to the constitution. Up north in Seattle, the nihilists and black blocs did the same thing to the liberal consensus. Suddenly the movement wasn't about "holding space" or making polite demands it was about class war. Seattle's liberal governor declared a state of emergency.
That's why the police violence hit hardest in those cities. That's why the FBI, operating under Obama’s DOJ, launched waves of pre dawn SWAT raids on anarchist homes across the West Coast. Over 30 homes and squats were raided. There's evidence that army intelligence was spying on anarchists. The feds had no problem with the CPUSA, the DSA, or the NGO circus, those formations were part of the counter‑insurgency machine, not a threat to it. But a decentralized, militant, bloc of anarchists and Maoists? That disrupted the entire strategy of containment. So the state responded with the only language it understands, open paramilitary repression, mass overt and covert surveillance, rumors, and legalized terror.
Not Long after the coalition of anti-imperialists won all of their votes, a brutal eviction began, and the coalition responded in self-defense, which is another occurrence that brought many of the leftist organizations and liberals to tears HERE IS A VIDEO FROM THAT NIGHThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVLc3MmAT0A The NGO complex exists to absorb and neutralize revolutionary energy. In Oakland and Seattle, that energy slipped its leash. And the state has never forgiven the left for it. That's why the repression didn't stop after Occupy. It escalated. It became permanent. Because now they know what we are capable of when we refuse to be managed and seek collective self-reliance, and self-defense as the core principles of daily life.
If you have any questions about a specific group I'm mentioning, and want me to prove how they fit into this role, then go ahead and ask, I can explain to you their function and how they specifically fit into this. You'd be shocked to see how many of your so-called "communist parties" are just social clubs, or DNC activist spin-offs. There is no real communist party in the USA. The true communist party is not pushed from the womb until the height of the worker's liberation struggle advances to a critical stage. It is not a club you join; it is a weapon you forge in the fire of insurrection. The Bolshevik party was not simply founded at a congress; it was tested, hardened, and shaped by the 1905 revolution and the years of brutal repression that followed. As Lenin himself observed, when the objective conditions ripen, new forces "would spring up, seemingly out of the ground, forces whose existence no one had suspected shortly before the turning‑point"
Until the oppressed in the United States reaches that turning point until the colonizer police are driven from the streets and the chains of oppression are shattered, no amount of formal political organizing will produce a communist party. When a "communist" organization spends its energy condemning Hamas and telling its members to vote for Biden, it has become indistinguishable from a liberal NGO, a mere functional extension of the Democratic Party’s counter‑insurgency apparatus
A communist party is the highest form of class organization, and it can only be born from the crucible of mass insurrection, not from the growth of a liberal NGO using communist imagery. Most organizations calling themselves "communist parties" in the US are not communist parties at all. They are social clubs, NGO franchises, or electoral tail‑wagging operations that have more in common with a local PTA than a revolutionary vanguard.
>>2831081I am Not that Person I just responded to somebody who was responding to
that person >>2831791Copy that, in hindsight that makes sense, you have a much more mature way of speaking on the same matters
>>2831795dont listen to juche posters theyre cult members that has mastered word salad but lives a dead end lifestyle and counters good work the left does
>>2831817juche won though
Actionable Lessons:
- DSA/PSL/GREENS are threat monitoring tool.
- 50501 is a threat monitoring tool.
To protest with groups that want to avoid jail through internal surveillance is to protest with groups that will actively harm you.
Marches are internally policed. March a few blocks away.
Devils Advocate:
- Socialism is a fringe belief. Lawfully pursue ideological growth over suicidal solitary adventurism?
- If the goal is adventurism, why do it in the view of witnesses? Why do it in public? Why do it at a march?
>>2831761>Did you not read it all? Yes. You said that CPUSA and PSL are part of the Non-Profit Industrial Complex. Then you explained what the NPIC is and how it works. Then the post ended. You didn't actually provide any argument for your initial thesis that these parties are part of the NPIC.
>Do you imagine that a materialist analysis would confine this tactic to the Black liberation movement alone? According to that logic we must assume that any opposition is already compromise and struggle is pointless. Of course there are labour and "socialist" parties that are compromised by the NPIC, but if you're going to argue that a specific organization is then you need to show it. You can't just gesture vaguely at past infiltration and assume that a given group is part of it.
>Capitalism losing favor is precisely why the DNC is going to integrate social democracy and the DSA.The DNC hates the DSA and seethes endlessly about any candidate linked to it. They rigged the primaries to keep Bernie and social democracy out of the party leadership. There are plenty of valid critiques of social democracy and the DSA, but it's just factually incorrect to claim that the Democratic leadership are embracing it.
>If you have any questions about a specific group I'm mentioning, and want me to prove how they fit into this role, then go ahead and ask, I can explain to you their function and how they specifically fit into thisTell me why you think CPUSA and PSL are part of it.
>>2831969>You can't just gesture vaguely at past infiltration and assume that a given group is part of it.yeah this is like saying the bolsheviks were glowies because some okhrana agents occasionally snuck in
>>2831969At the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, the Coalition to March on the DNC deployed hundreds of volunteer protest marshals" many of whom were rank and file members of the CPUSA and PSL. Their stated job was to keep the march on the city approved route and prevent anyone from getting too close to the United Center. When a group of more militant protesters attempted to break away and approach the security fence, the marshals formed a human cordon, pushing and tussling with them. One Maoist shouted at the marshals in defense of the anarchist, "You see this? They're blocking you from the butchers of Gaza!".
The result was an "extended conflict" between protestors that lasted seven blocks. The Chicago Police Superintendent publicly praised the marshals, stating, "They are policing, basically, their own protests group… They are making sure their people stay in line.".
The Chicago Police Department which is an institution with a documented history of torturing suspects under Jon Burge, murdering Laquan McDonald, and systematically terrorizing Black and brown communities has publicly praised your organization's protest marshals. Let that sink in. The same force that ran a black site inside Homan Square where anarchists were held during NATO protests, has issued a statement of praise for your "communist party" and their role in the protest movement (what more proof do you want?)
This is not a sign of revolutionary commitment. Real communists do not receive glowing endorsements from the armed wing of capital. They are smeared as terrorists, hunted by Joint Terrorism Task Forces, and subjected to COINTELPRO-style infiltration and rumor campaigns spread through informants in their personal lives. When the cops say, "We appreciate how you kept your people in line," they are not mistaking you for a threat they are recognizing you as an ally. Beyond COIN, these revisionist and reformist organizations often have a praxis that depends upon seeking approval from the oppressor. They falsely use the term adventurism to label any praxis that ruins their mission of seeking approval from oppressors.
If you are praised by the institution that murdered Fred Hampton in his bed, you are not revolutionary
>>At its 2024 national convention, the CPUSA not only refused to condemn the Democratic Party's support for Israel's genocide in Gaza, but actively framed a vote for Biden as the "lesser evil" necessary to stop "fascism."
>>The CPUSA's descent into NGO status was further cemented by its 2024 decision to liquidate an active chapter. According to internal sources, the chapter was purged for refusing to advocate for voting for Joe Biden and for allegedly engaging in "Black Nationalism"
>>Both the CPUSA and PSL operate through fiscal sponsorships, non‑profit foundations, and grant cycles that require them to submit to oversight. For example, the PSL's "Bail Out the People" fund is administered through a legal entity, which by law cannot engage in "political activity" beyond a certain threshold. This forces the organization to self‑censor and prioritize grant‑friendly projects (e.g., reformist bail funds) over militant action support, which directly transfers onto the streets. When you see people in vests attack people for burning a flag, or doing graffiti, that's not preventing adventurism and protecting the vanguard. That is delusional, these things are not adventurism and what is actually occurring is you are seeing their counter insurgency function play out in street politics. The CPUSA's youth wing, the Young Communist League, similarly relies on foundation funding that explicitly prohibits certain activity and language.
>>According to that logic we must assume that any opposition is already compromise and struggle is pointless.This logic is actually the logic your revisionist and reformist NGOs follow. This is the quietism that the NGO left preaches in practice, even if they'd never say it out loud. They tail the Democratic Party, they take billionaire money, they thank the cops for the permit, and then they call anyone who steps outside their approved bounds an "adventurist." or "anarchist". And then they have the audacity to claim that we are the ones who think struggle is hopeless.
>>2832253>they didn't need toSo they just did it for fun?
>>2831969>The DNC hates the DSA and seethes endlessly about any candidate linked to it. They rigged the primaries to keep Bernie and social democracy out of the party leadership. There are plenty of valid critiques of social democracy and the DSA, but it's just factually incorrect to claim that the Democratic leadership are embracing it.I wouldn't say they are embracing it, but I wouldn't say the DSA is embracing revolutionary politics not even close. But the tide is shifting beneath them, and they might be forced to move left or be abandoned. They are not revolutionary, but compared to the CPUSA, which is a walking corpse of revisionism, the DSA at least has a material base in actual workers and a tactical utility they can disrupt the DNC's grip on the "left" vote.
However and this is crucial the DSA is the final velvet glove in the imperialist's bag. If the bald, open imperialists (the Trumpist-MAGA wing) lose power, the ruling class will not simply retreat. They will restructure imperialism into a more palatable social democracy, and the DSA wing of the DNC will be the vehicle. DSA candidates, swept into office on a wave of anti-war, anti-austerity sentiment, will become the new managers of the face of the empire. Some will not see it happening; they will believe they are "winning concessions." But the material function of social democracy is to preserve capitalism by softening its blows, integrating the working class into the state's counter-insurgency apparatus. Keep an eye out, and you can see this occurring in NYC.
You cannot will a communist party into existence through electoral campaigns and nonprofit grants. A genuine anti-imperialist party is forged in the fire of a mass, revolutionary rupture. Any party that emerges before that rupture will be consumed by the bourgeois function its language will sometimes be radical enough, but its practice will be to manage and demobilize and provided limited growth of revolutionary consciousness.
The DSA today is good for fracturing the Democratic Party's hegemony over the left leaning vote, and pushing it further left. That is not nothing. But do not mistake a tactical crack for a strategy that will lead to the end of the bourgeois class.
>>2832479A genuine revolutionary party in the developed West is financed by VC from Chyna and attempts capital accumulation.
>>2832479>but I wouldn't say the DSA is embracing revolutionary politics not even closeI wouldn't say that either. They're far too close to the Democratic Party and generally liberal in their outlook. However there's a lot of diversity within the organization and some chapters and caucuses are much more class conscious than others.
>But the material function of social democracy is to preserve capitalism by softening its blows, integrating the working class into the state's counter-insurgency apparatus. That's true in a lot of ways, and certainly historically this is an apt description, but it all depends on the conditions. Social democracy can and has played a progressive role in laying the foundations of the worker's movement, though of course betraying it later on. Social democracy becomes reactionary in a revolutionary moment, when their commitment to reformism becomes an obstacle to any further progress, with the most obvious example being the SPD's betrayal of the German Revolution in 1919. But Germany never could have reached such a revolutionary moment without the contributions of the SPD to helping to organize workers, spread socialist ideas, support the German labour movement, etc. In other words, social democracy did play an undeniably progressive role up until that pivotal moment, a moment which is nowhere on the horizon in America. The fact is that the state of the American worker's movement is much closer to the early days of the SPD than 1919. I don't think social democracy at this stage should be regarded with the same hostility that it was (rightly) viewed with 100 years ago. This isn't to say it won't eventually take on that role again, but things won't even get to that point unless there is widespread trade union and class consciousness. Without this there will simply be no revolution for them to betray, and the question will be moot. At this stage some level of cooperation with social democrats is pretty much inevitable, by virtue of the fact that laying the basic groundwork of the worker's movement will involve extensive cooperation with people who aren't communists. Now obviously communists should keep past betrayals in mind, and always maintain their independence from non-communists, but it would be dogmatism to simply apply the conclusions of the 1920s and 30s to modern conditions which are completely different. At this point I think we need to accept the necessity of cooperation.
Another thing to consider is Marx's statement that no social order disappears until it has exhausted all possible avenues for its development. Leaving aside the question of what this meant for the real possibility of revolution in the last century, I think it remains an open question whether or not Western capital is currently capable of even sustaining such compromises anymore. Certainly they are lacking the motivation to do so given the inability of workers to apply any sort of pressure, as well as the lack of a socialist alternative to capitalism.
>>2832479>>2832497Why would anyone listen to a weirdo narco cultist? You walk around wearing a Juche logo like it means something, then you flirt with anarchism like that's not a complete contradiction. How did American Juche turn into this thirdworldist, Maoist, nihilistic garbage? It makes no sense. Your ideas make no sense. And anyone dumb enough to follow you is going to walk right off a cliff.
>>2832513Juche won though
>>2832474I was one of the people in CPUSA chapter who got the entire chapter purged, baiting the CPUSA into exposing themselves, LONG LIVE THE JUCHE IDEA, DOWN WITH THE ZIONIST CPUSA AND AMERIKKKAN POLITRICKS. All power to the 3rd world liberationist united front of juche thought, anti colonial nihilists / anarchists, and maoists.
You feds tried to paint the idea of struggle pads and struggle periods as "cultish". Capitalism loves the "no pain, no gain" hustle. Grind culture. Work yourself to death for the boss. That's fine. But when communists bring that same energy and when we say you have to suffer a little to break your soft spots suddenly it's a "cult" and a "struggle period" is brainwashing.
I grew up with a foreign engineer family. I'm white passing still an immigrant technically, but raised here most of my life. I learned theory in school. Marx, Lenin, all that. But it felt hollow. Like the words had no edge. I could recite shit but I couldn't do shit but follow.
Then I met these people. They took me through something they called a struggle period. Basically roughing it. The last phase was a train hopping mission. No credit card. No phone. Nothing. Just me and the rails. I'd never been or felt so disconnected from American society in my life. I suddenly felt as if i was from the outside in looking at all of the society, even seeing people eat in restaurants and enjoy themselves gave a certain sickness to my stomach. i thought how could people enjoy themselves when the world is like this? I always thought that but i never felt it take over my bones in this way. Cops fucked with me harder than ever i must have gotten stopped by cops and harassed around 27 times a day at the highest point, demanding my ID and all even some threatened violence. it all built a rage inside of me. I was hungry all the time. Walked miles through desert and forest with no food. They kept telling me I had to "learn." At first I thought it was stupid. Lifestylist bullshit. But I stuck with it.
When I came back, a guy taught me basic carpentry after this yearly outdoor period. I dropped out of marketing school. Got deeper into leftism. My family barely talks to me now they think I'm low for doing manual labor and throwing away the scholarship.
I can't explain it exactly, but after almost a year of that struggle period, something changed. Behind all the theory I'd memorized, there was real anger now. Real hatred for the system. It felt like something that could actually not be phased out of my spirit, a belief and conviction that could never be broken no matter what. I slept outside for a year. And I felt stronger. Like the softness had left me. I stopped caring about nice things. I just wanted to survive with people I trusted and was ready to demolish anyone who would step on that. I cant explain the psychology behind this because im well read but not as good with words as some of the other juche posters.
Here's a picture of me. They're not a cult. This stuff is real. It's a way to turn soft labor aristocrats into ballers. A way to turn crakkkers into race traitors against the protestant zionist settler state. I'm not joking at all this changed my life forever. the haters are just people who could never move this ballin' I now know how to get around the entire nation like a ghost without license plate readers, and flock on my ass. I know how to skin a buck, mend broken bones, how stop bleeding, to avoid detection, and to defend myself from attack against mentally unwell aggressors, tested in the field of living a dangerous period of living. get on the level of juche or get left behind. its going to get very fiesty out here going towards 2030
>>2833169>restaurants and enjoy themselves gave a certain sickness to my stomach.It wasn't like I was walking around pissed off all the time or hating happiness. I'm just not great at writing this stuff I talk better than I type.
What changed was I stopped feeling like I was part of that whole "happy consumer" world. Like I didn't exist in that system anymore and i didnt realize i was even that deep in it before, until i was jolted outside of it. My joy didn't come from buying shit or having things. It came from just… surviving. From waking up after a cold night and seeing the sun rise, seeing a new city, or meeting a genuine person, or seeing the stars, trees, moon or even sylines of corporate monstrosities, i would sit there and think about how its beautiful in a way, the power of workers, to build all that. That's it. That was enough. And being around other people who were doing the same thing put in the same struggle period felt real like a brotherhood i never felt in my life. i grew up with a phone so having no phone and digital cameras for almost a year was so life changing.
I'd go back into the city into those gentrified neighborhoods, and I'd see everyone spending money, laughing, buying overpriced coffee, looking happy. And it hit me they felt fake even the leftists id see. Not fake like they're lying, but fake like they're living in a bubble. An isolated little world. And that realization helped my theory grow more than any book ever did. It changed me as a person, not just as a thinker. I wasn't angry. I just saw things differently. And I couldn't unsee it. now im in a union doing carpentry and tbh i feel more embedded in the true working class than the direction i was in. juche is not a cult, it is a weapon that forges individuals and collectives into self reliant ballers
>>2833169> Capitalism loves the "no pain, no gain" hustle. Grind culture. Work yourself to death for the boss. That's fine. But when communists bring that same energy and when we say you have to suffer a little to break your soft spots suddenly it's a "cult" and a "struggle period" is brainwashing.i noticed that too. really good point.
>>2833169>This stuff is real. It's a way to turn soft labor aristocrats into ballers. A way to turn crakkkers into race traitors against the protestant zionist settler state. I'm not joking at all this changed my life forever. that's awesome. part of me wants that but it's too late for me. i'm already an old softie with an autistic kid. don't want to risk innocent people in my life over that kinda thing. but power to you. wish i was that brave when i was younger.
>>2833169>But when communists bring that same energy and when we say you have to suffer a little to break your soft spots suddenly it's a "cult" and a "struggle period" is brainwashing.If it's for anythting other than class struggle (nationalism, "opressed nations", religion,…) it IS a cult and brainwashing.
>>2833350>If it's for anythting other than class struggle >nationalism, "opressed nations">it IS a cult and brainwashing.When an imperialist capitalist nation blockades another people, strips them of their existence and their wealth, enslaves them, and subjects them to genocide, it becomes clear that the defense and advancement of that nation, its culture, and its people against imperialist forces is not only necessary but a revolutionary victory for the working-class and oppressed around the globe.
Secondly, if you fail to acknowledge that in a settler state, capitalism and its structures are interlinked with the functions of white supremacy, it means one of two things; either you are uneducated on the relevant theory, or you are blinded by your own societal privilege and the reactionary sentiments lurking in your subconscious.
>>In contradistinction to Marx’s and Engels’s expectations that bourgeois society would rationalize social relations and demystify social consciousness, the opposite occurred. The development, organization, and expansion of capitalist society pursued essentially racial directions, so too did social ideology. As a material force, then, it could be expected that racialism would inevitably permeate the social structures emergent from capitalism. I have used the term 'racial capitalism' to refer to this development and to the subsequent structure as a historical agency. >>2833350>"opressed nations"Sorry kid, read Lenin
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm
>Imperialism is the highest stage of development of capitalism. Capital in the advanced countries has outgrown the boundaries of national states.It has established monopoly in place of competition, thus creating all the objective prerequisites for the achievement of socialism. Hence, in Western Europe and in the United States of America, the revolutionary struggle of the proletariat for the overthrow of the capitalist governments, for the expropriation of the bourgeoisie, is on the order of the day. Imperialism is forcing the masses into this struggle by sharpening class antagonisms to an immense degree, by worsening the conditions of the masses both economically—trusts and high cost of living, and politically—growth of militarism, frequent wars, increase of reaction, strengthening and extension of national oppression and colonial plunder. Victorious socialism must achieve complete democracy and, consequently, not only bring about the complete equality of nations, but also give effect to the right of oppressed nations to self-determination, i.e., the right to free political secession. Socialist Parties which fail to prove by all their activities now, as well as during the revolution and after its victory, that they will free the enslaved nations and establish relations with them on the basis of a free union and a free union is a lying phrase without right to secession—such parties would be committing treachery to socialism.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/1937/06/solidarity-spain.htm
>We, the Chinese Communist Party, the Chinese Red Army, and the Chinese Soviets, regard the war led by the Spanish Republican government as the most holy war in the world. This war is being fought not only for the life of the Spanish nation, but also for the oppressed nations of the world because the Spanish government is fighting German and Italian fascism which, with their Spanish henchmen, are destroying the culture and civilisation, and the human justice of the world. The Spanish government and the Spanish people are fighting German and Italian fascists who are actively in league with and giving support to the Japanese fascist invaders of China in the Far East. Japanese fascists are directing their full strength against China. After the occupation of our Manchurian Provinces, they advanced into North China. Were it not for the support they receive from German and Italian fascism they would never be so mad, so wild, as they are today in their invasion of our country.Noted Western Leftists Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin
>>2833380>Sometimes we would roll up on people with a crew of 5 crusty gutterpunks and pitbulls and pretty much intimidate them into buying the paperwere you doing this to working class people
>>2833747Dang ur picrel is cringe homey
> the defense and advancement of that nation, its culture, and its people against imperialist forces is not only necessary but a revolutionary victory for the working-class and oppressed around the globe.Wrong. The Nation is a spook and when you talk about the "the people" and "culture" you're doing an interclassism. Class-collaborationist victory always means proletarian defeat.
>As a material force, then, it could be expected that racialism would inevitably permeate the social structures emergent from capitalism. I have used the term 'racial capitalism' to refer to this development and to the subsequent structure as a historical agency.There's nothing inherently racist about capitalism.. Racism is merely one coercive tool among many others in the inventory of competing multi-ethnic inter-national bourgeois factions to keep the global proletariat segmented and manageable. The only real bourgeois driving force is without exception the valorization of Capital, and the interests of global Capital are materially opposed to anything which stands in the way of a completely streamlined global market (eg. ethnic and national barriers). To see capitalism as fundamentally "White" is ahistorical racial essentialism and furthermore negligent as it leaves the door wide open for apologists of the local/ethnic bourgeoisie. "Oppressed indigenous" bourgeoisie are never true comrades of their proletarian counterparts. They see the proles as nothing more than expendable pawns to sacrifice on the altar of the Nation To collaborate with the local bourgeoisie in defense of the "oppressed nation" is to betray the cause of the global proletariat, And only a unified global proletariat is capable of abolishing the global dictatorship of Capital.
>>2833755The proletarian insurrection was the only revolutionary aspect of the Spanish civil war and it was crushed by the forces of class collaborationist "anti-fascism" in May of '37. After the suppression of the revolutionaries it was merely an inter-bourgeois conflict with no proletarian horizon in sight.
>>2833759>Another thing these reactionaries do is use the term "nationalist" a lot to flatten the difference between the national chauvinism of the imperial core reactionaries and the national liberation struggles of the peripheral peoples.You don't have to "flatten the difference" to observe that historically "national liberation" has never signified class liberation in any meaningful way. The "rebel" national bourgeoisie of "oppressed nations" will always jump to suppress the revolutionary proletarian elements of a national struggle as soon as possible to reestablish the nation as a viable agent in the global market. The "Juche ideal" of National self-sufficiency is just hype. To be even marginally acknowledged as a Nation is to submit to the dictates of the global market, no exceptions allowed. The lesser-evilism of "anti-imperialist" ideology is the last bastion of the bourgeois rearguard.
>>2833761It's possible that some of them were technically proles but we only really harassed yuppie looking KKKracka types. The lulz were epic and I am not ashamed in the slightest about my teenage antics as the spiritual founder of the Anarcho-Oogle-Juche tradition.
>>2833350based, total class collaborationist cuck death
>>2833814The concept of racial capitalism directly refutes the notion that capitalism's fundamental drivers are race-neutral. As theorized by Cedric J. Robinson in Black Marxism, the historical development of world capitalism “was influenced in a most fundamental way by the particularistic forces of racism and nationalism”. He argues that capitalism did not just incidentally employ racism; it required it. Robinson states clearly that “capitalism and racism were historical concomitants,” and that “as the executors of an expansionist world system, capitalists required racism in order to police and rationalize the exploitation of workers”.
Jodi Melamed succinctly summarizes the capitalist imperative claiming Capital “can only accumulate by producing and moving through relations of severe inequality among human groups.” Therefore, for capitalism to survive, it must exploit and prey upon the “unequal differentiation of human value,” a process that racism not only enables but enshrines as natural. Racism is one of the most essential features of global capitalism.
Therefore, any class struggle that ignores imperialism and colonialism as the core drivers of capitalist domination is not just incomplete,
it is counter-revolutionary Frantz Fanon, a key theorist of decolonization, developed a Marxist analysis that centrally addresses the “intersections of capitalism, colonialism, and race,” recognizing that the psychic and material suffering of the colonized is a direct product of this combined system. Fanon, like Du Bois, saw “capitalism as a global colonial system from the start, one that takes different shapes at different times”.
Thus, the defense of a nation, culture, or people against imperialist forces is not a nationalist diversion from class struggle; it is a central front of it. The destruction of cultures, the erasure of sovereignty, and the violent extraction of wealth from the Global South by the Global North are the raison d'etre of the capitalist world-system. A revolutionary who refuses to defend colonized peoples and support their movements is effectively refusing to attack the fundamental structure of global capital.
To claim that focusing on imperialism and colonialism is a deviation from class struggle is to misunderstand the very nature of capitalism. It is a global system built on a foundation of racialized extraction, and it must be fought as such. This is the only materialist position worthy of leading the global class struggle.
>>2834588>Capital “can only accumulate by producing and moving through relations of severe inequality among human groups.” Therefore, for capitalism to survive, it must exploit and prey upon the “unequal differentiation of human value,” I really like this one.
Why do mods let this spam stay up?
Are they doing this intentionally?
It's clearly ChatGPT between two "personas". One advocating US imperialism and the DSA. The other advocating everything the US represses in some frankenstein patchwork ideology (anarcho-juche-Maoist-whateverist).
I figured the KingLear spam would get boring, especially since it was so badly prompt engineered and the output looked like shit.
But it would be concerning if mods keeps this up (either doing it to slide (?) or not deleting it like gore, CP, any other spam).
Especially eerie is the photos of real individuals attached which looks like it comes from police informants or seized smartphones.
Second thread that they just let be up.
Name literally one practical difference between yourselves and the Weather Underground, I’ll wait
>>2835175
Dont reply. You are but a tool. A real dumb one too. You are beep boop Epstein.
>>2835191
<In a gay British accent
Provide thine answer. You are a GENIUS, a liberator of all~!
>>2835191
under the new social democracy in 2029, adventurists wont exist because they will get the care, help, and love they need. the mentally ill wont be left alone to suffer and become violently desperate under the boot of capitalism, which the mentally ill feel more. social democracy will end adventurism and ultra leftism. theyre resisting it like vampires resist the sun but itll be good for them and their well being in the long run.
>>2835295<In a strong Bulgarian accent:BUT ARE THEY BUILD LIKE BRICK SHIT HOUSE??
TELL ME VLAD; DO THEY EAT THE COW??
>>2833814>You don't have to "flatten the difference" to observe that historically "national liberation" has never signified class liberation in any meaningful way. The "rebel" national bourgeoisie of "oppressed nations" will always jump to suppress the revolutionary proletarian elements of a national struggle as soon as possible to reestablish the nation as a viable agent in the global market. The "Juche ideal" of National self-sufficiency is just hype. To be even marginally acknowledged as a Nation is to submit to the dictates of the global market, no exceptions allowed. The lesser-evilism of "anti-imperialist" ideology is the last bastion of the bourgeois rearguard.so are you saying hamas is the same as the IDF because both are "nationalists?" No it is very important not to flatten the difference. and socialist construction cannot begin in a post-revolutionary country if it is not sovereign and is forced to renew its anti imperialist struggle. unless you are of the old fashioned persuasion that revolution must happen in the imperial core first and then spread outward.
>>2835554lol hamas is actually worse than the IDF but yeah more or less they are the same ideologically
>>2835548translate or stfu
>>2835175
Cry more about supermeth
>>2835558>hamas is actually worse than the IDFok thanks for confessing, don't care about anything else you have to say
>>2835558>translate or stfuAssuming you were on a phone, its easy to translate with google. Just more veiled schizo talk.
"On the stage, beneath the lights,
A single gunshot rings out.
In that unexpected moment,
The silence shatters into pieces.
The audience holds their breath.
But the sound does not die.
It crosses the walls, crosses the river,
and seeps into the prison basement.
That echo did not lose its way.
It becomes a rhythm that shakes the chains,
pushing up the eyelids of those who were asleep.
When the gunshot turns into an echo,
death gives birth to life,
and the end establishes a beginning.
The stage vanishes.
But that echo remains,
becoming a lighthouse for a new life,
and speaking to those asking for directions in the darkness,
Follow me. I am already in your heart."
>>2836261These are Boris lyrics, fuck off and die, move to the DPRK oh wait they don’t like junkies and lumpen wastes
>>2836264Brother in Christ, North Korea is one of the last places on earth I'd ever want to live. That place, Somalia, or anywhere with Islamic extremism? Hard passes all around. I just translated this so people could read it. I didn't write it. And I have no idea who "Boris" is or what that's supposed to mean.
>>2836270Japanese metal band, good stuff, their lyrics are basically like whatever you translated
>>2836273oh well this is an idiot who always posts Korean poems. So far, two of them had real life events precede them. Like there was one poem about a red flame in a warehouse district signaling the workers to rise with a red sun a month before that warehouse worker snapped and razed the place to the ground in LA, the poem even said "in about a months time when the flowers of spring bloom" or some bullshit. Weird, but most likely just coicedences that people exagerate here.
Maybe the Asian language format is the same style in Japanese or Korean. Maybe they just have certain builds to their writing style. idk or maybe this person is ripping Boris lyrics with copy and paste. I don't like much metal. I do fuck with Metallica's "Enter Sandman" and some Linkin Park, but I'm mostly a Luke Combs style of music guy.
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