/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

As a fifthworld leftcom

for a leftcom you sound a lot like a deleonist/syndicalist

Why did you feel the need to feel this retard post with “as a third world leftcom”?
We could tell that you’re from the third world because of the AI image and we could tell that you’re a leftcom based on the fact what you’re saying is wrong, stupid and chauvinistic

>>2832006
>>2832012
you are porky

>The rate of profit is getting raped in the first world. Organized labor can rape it further and seriously hurt capitalism.
Not necessarily a "revolutionary" by itself. It's just what moves keeps capital moving. An increase in the rate of exploitation would encourage more activity.

>Stop all the LARPing and electorialism and adventurism and billions of hours spent online arguing.
I agree

>Propagandize. Join unions or create ones. Make it militant. Do strikes. Demand higher wages and better working conditions.
You just contradicted yourself. You oppose electoralism because it's this stupid fucking dumb-dumb idea that you can enter the bourgeois house and tell them to do communism. Well, trade unions are a fully absorbed and expected part of capitalism as a form of wage negotiation performed by the labor aristocrat leadership. In WWII, the trade unions actively made sure their members didn't go on strike. They are controlled opposition which leaves the (failed, objectively) idea of Leninists that you can transform them from within, even though the Bolsheviks NEVER relied on trade unions to take power (instead opting for a political coup, promise of land reform to peasants, sailor mutinies and armed suppression of opposition) and the attempted application of that theory in the developed world at the time (Germany) failed SPECTACULARLY. It's HOI4 larping.

I know you said labor unions but the only one is the IWW and it's dead with its only activity being pointless activism sign waving

>Oppose immigration (foreign scabs)
You can't "oppose immigration" because it's a fact of life. There might be some electoral (once again a contradiction) activity to prevent the H1B scabs but it's unlikely because once again you're entering the doghouse that will make you play by their rules. Marx actually wrote about the topic regarding Irish immigrants and he gave a really simplistic answer of "they should organize with the native working class" but this hasn't ever actually worked out that way. I think the early CPUSA was heavily immigrant (iirc from what I read) but it eventually withered away.

Regardless, why is the "goal" for you to make sure everyone in the surplus population has a job? What type of Fordist bullshit is this? The only people in America thinking about socialism are people in precarious economic conditions from lack of job security. Most of the people angry about the prospects of their job have been LOUD about their support for ᴉuᴉlossnW fascism (done wokely). It's how Trump won the miners in 2016.

I do agree that the immigrants aren't very… I guess publicly minded. Part of that reason is once again the trade unions. The UFW which is mostly (illegal) immigrant has been *dead silent* about immigration raids at job sites and to date their activity, despite basically being solely in control of the food supply, is to boycott (a consumer choice) a single type of mushroom from a single farm. They seem to have zero interest in actually fighting for their workers.

I think the hatred for immigration also gets mixed up with the hatred for the Professional Managerial Class (PMC) because employers like Amazon have entirely offloading their hiring practices to imported Indians. These people, and I know this firsthand from working with them (unlike the mod reading this), always have this idea in their head that they can just go back to India/home country if shit gets bad which leads to their nihilism.

But there are cultural obstacles that are absolutely relevant. We had Turkish immigrants not too long ago on the street protesting in NYC that the Armenians deserve genocide. We've had to have anti-caste laws enacted in Seattle (Amazon HQ so once again, purely the actions of imported Indian workers) and it's the only city to do so because it was THAT bad. You cannot organize with these people they would be the same sort of "reactionary working class" like Marx complained about with the Luddites. If it were cases like the Irish working classes of his days, or the black freedmen (who basically formed the original working class in the United States) it would be entirely different. These identitarian, exclusive groups are enemies to working class solidarity and they go away with some Christian morality, pacifistic performative tears about "you're a heckin' anti-immigrant BIGOT" which totally ignores the QUALITATIVE distinctions they have.

The third-worldist vision that skin color means you'll support their left-wing politics is also reverse-racist. Those immigrants that flooded the PMC labor aristocracy and worked directly with Amazon or Tesla execs to do union busting is a real event. You can't just sit there and infantilize entire ethnicity, instead you need a class mindset not a liberal identity mindset.

>A single strike would destroy capitalism!
No it wouldn't. Finance capital exists and once again, capitalism can tolerate a strike. The only time they get antsy was something like May 68 where they were scared that the strikers would go for the government, which they apparently never had even the plan of doing.

Glowposting because mods can't handle nuance on topics.

wondering on how we fight against some of the technological developments that lower the barrier to trans-national labor pools though? Digitized outsourcing is a bigger problem than ever

>>2831983
>do something
You arent a leftcom

>>2831983
>>2832155
Offshoring to the undeveloped parts of the world is historically progressive, just shitty to live through.