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>>2786133 213 posts and 45 image replies omitted.>>2853101I mean with a flag that sexy I might be a chi-chud too
>>2853101>apparently china has its own chudsYeah don't go to a town in China and ask about Vietnam
Is the "Tank Man" picture actually banned in PRC? If so, what is the point?
>>2853208Who are they harshest against? Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos, Thai, people from Myanmar?
>>2853407Chinese. Nationalists are always the harshest against their own people, both practically (via scamming them) and ideologically (via claiming that they are cucks who don't fight for their race, or some variation of this)
>>2853101>Im going to go ahead and say this is a cia psyop.>on the other hand maybe 4chan pol poisoned china naturallyI'd say both are true considering that /pol/ itself is a psyop. Remember when Jeffrey Epstein met with Moot and /pol/ got launched the very next day?
>>2853193>Get get cracked down on every so often. I think a few years ago the state brought in some laws forcing tech companies to deal with them more effectively.Unfortunately, Nazis tend to be very good at hiding themselves online when the heat gets to them.
>>2853194>I mean with a flag that sexy I might be a chi-chud tooIt looks stupid. It looks like something from Mortal Kombat.
>>2853407>Who are they harshest against?Probably ethnic minorities in China. IIRC, Han chauvinist rightoids hate the government because they feel that it privileges minorities over the Han majority.
>>2854342see this to me shows that chinese people are just gusano realists
>>2853219>Is the "Tank Man" picture actually banned in PRC?yes
>If so, what is the point?Because this has become a so-called "liberal" political dog whistle. However, I personally believe that a massive crowd of the petty bourgeoisie occupying a country's square—which serves as a national symbol—should indeed be cleared out, though it should have been done with batons and shields rather than Type 81 rifles and infantry fighting vehicles.
"Wang Jian (王建) from China Society of Macroeconomic Research, who proposed the Great External Circulation strategy back in 1987 that was officially adopted by the central government, talked about this in an interview in the early 2000s:
中国是享受到美元霸权的好处最大的国家……美国巨大的贸易逆差，是对中国产品的巨大需求， 拉动了我们经济的增长……我们现在要担心的是，美元贬值引起国际金融大动荡，美元失去国际的货币的霸主地位，没有能力继续用经常项下的逆差来拉动亚洲，特别是对于中国的经济增长的影响，这才是最可怕的事。”
China is the greatest beneficiary of the dollar hegemony… the huge trade deficit of the US also represented a huge demand for Chinese products, and spurred our economic growth… What we have to worry about now, is the global financial instability caused by the depreciation of the US dollar. If the dollar loses its global currency hegemonic status, it will no longer have the capacity to sustain its deficit to drive Asia’s growth, and this will especially affect China’s economic growth. This would be the most terrible thing to happen.
In September 2020, months after China proposed the Dual Circulation Strategy (export balanced by domestic consumption), Wang Jian reasserted the importance of dollar hegemony in an interview:
中国是最依靠美元体系的国家，因为人民币没有国际化，而欧元、日元、韩元等都是国际化货币。过去，中国一直享受着美元霸权的好处，人民币不是国际化货币，但是中国的生意可以做到世界最大，因为中国用美元结算。如果美元体系崩溃，即美元作为储备货币和结算货币的比例发生断崖式下降，比如从60%下降到30%，受到伤害最大的一定是中国。 所以在 “十四五”期间，一旦美元出问题，会对中国产生非常大的影响。
China is the country that relies the most on the dollar system, because the RMB is not internationalized, whereas the Euro, the Japanese yen, the Korean won, are all internationalized currencies. In the past, China has continuously enjoyed the benefit of the dollar hegemony - the RMB is not an internationalized currency, yet Chinese businesses can expand to become the world’s largest, because transactions in China are settled in US dollars. If the dollar system collapses, then the proportion of the US dollar as a reserve currency and settlement currency will fall steeply. For instance, if it drops from 60% to 30%, the country that is hurt the most must be China. Hence, if the dollar system encounters trouble during the 14th FYP period (2021-2025), it will cause great impact to China’s production.
Source is from Jia Genliang’s Modern Monetary Theory in China (2023)
Once you understand this, you will understand that China cannot and will not give up the dollar system, especially its hegemonic status. The status quo greatly benefited the Chinese economy and there is no reason to give up even when the US itself is threatening to end the arrangement, because China still has plenty of cards to play (e.g. rare earth export). The US will find itself unable to decouple from China.
This is also why when the US confiscation of Russia’s $300 billion foreign reserve at the start of the Russia-Ukraine war, and the Fed rate hike that caused dollar liquidity crisis in many Global South countries and spurred strong interest in many to leave the dollar regime, China has been the one that was and still is the most reluctant to abandon the US dollar. If China doesn’t want to, then nobody else can do anything about it. The Biden administration correctly gambled that China would not threaten the dollar hegemony during the rate hike in 2022."
>>2853219it's not a picture, it's a vid, and he doesn't get run over. the only reason jeff widener won a pulitzer prize for his "picture" is because it distracted from the video and westoids spent 3 decades fantasizing that the guy got ran over. once the internet made it obvious he didn't, libs started crying it was AI
>>2856865>Wang Jian (王建) from China Society of Macroeconomic Research, who proposed the Great External Circulation strategy back in 1987 that was officially adopted by the central governmentProofs? I don't think that anybody outside of China's Plan has any influence on economic policies.
>>2856865>Jia Genliang’s Modern Monetary Theory in ChinaSo, opinion discarded. MMT is a stillborn failure
>>2857008MMT works only if you have currency hegemony like the USA does. which is funny because the USA never used MMT to its full potential for anyone except the military industrial complex… and now the entire imperial hegemony is crashing down from its own hubris
>>2856901It's telling how weak their case is against China that they still bring up events from almost 40 years ago.
>>2856623>However, I personally believe that a massive crowd of the petty bourgeoisie occupying a country's square—which serves as a national symbol—should indeed be cleared out, though it should have been done with batons and shields rather than Type 81 rifles and infantry fighting vehicles.They actually tried that and were literally burned alive by the counter-revolutionary insurrectionists.
>>2857014It doesn't work even for hegemony, just look at them turning into a gas station with a navy
>>2832510The alternative is Communism
>>2857435Where? Point to it on a map
Someday you’re gonna wake up and realize communism IS THE BOURGEOIS IDEOLOGY
>>2858123China is more democratic than le West, fyi
>>2857045You're right, I forgot about that
>>2858138Yes china is more liberal than the west, they also have a big industrial proletariat with much more revolutionary potential, I think when the global economical system collapses and the bourgeois scramble on chauvinism and retardedly fail at the taiwan invasion to get bogged down in a long destructive war we will see socialism there
>>2858138>China is more democratic than le WestThat's why the left must oppose it.
>>2858138Yes - the demos (citizenry) is constituted by property ownership, such as in the Athenian democracy. Private home ownership is greater in China than in the US, so more citizens are enfranchised into political power. Sismondi revived the term "proletarii" (e.g. "the fourth estate") in the 19th century from the Roman term, which denoted propertyless persons, which was evidently accelerated under capitalist conditions. The state of propertylessness was equivalent with slavery de facto, as Cicero writes regarding wage work, which is based in dependence. The real science of slavery was forwarded by capitalists at the turn of industrial revolution, such as Arthur Young, who said "the lower classes must be kept poor, or they will never be industrious". Here, deprivation from wealth is prerequisite for service. Home ownership in Britain in 1871 was 20% - a feudal state of affairs. So, property in the demos is the prerequisite characteristic of the rule of the people (e.g. democracy is not a style of "voting", but political representation; rulership).
>>2858296Thanks china for saving liberalism. You have ressurected the beaten down liberals across the west. we're saved.
>>2858348Owning a house is nice but how does it help solve the dependence on wage labor? Unless you can rent part of it out I guess but I don't think most do that (not sure).
>>2858357Back in Roman times, most [citizens] had farmland so would barter with other households or eat from their own land, so people who worked for wages were free but propertyless, on account of their deprivation. As we may read in a 1929 textbook on the USSR, around 50 million people worked on farms and lived off of their own product, meaning that they worked for themselves and not other people (forced extractions only appeared before 1921 and after 1928). Now, not everyone can or should be in agriculture, but the ideal is clear; working for oneself is different from depending on others. Marx describes this as the intermediary period of peasant property holding in England, between 1400-1500, which was broken up by capitalist relations (e.g. primitive accumulation). So, the ideal is to have a natural surplus of animals and plants from yourself, your family and friends (kin), with an oikos (household) and acres.
Some Free Tibet schizo set himself on fire in front of the UN building a few days ago. Most Muslim countries didn't get onboard with the "Uighur Genocide", so I guess its time to bring back the classics. I just wonder when we'll see the Real Communists start to shill Free Tibet.
>>2858187If you can believe that China can invade China, then I guess you can also believe China is more liberal than all the G7 countries.
>>2858296>democratic is le bad depends on the class character
>>2858370>agriculture is our wisest pursuitwho did his agriculture for him i wonder
>>2858561>If you can believe that China can invade China, No they'll fail like Russia in Ukraine but chinese proles are less cucked so they'll rise up
>>2858370Okay you're talking about independent farmers and the yeoman ideal. I don't think modern Chinese home owners support themselves with farming so how does owning a home "enfranchise them into political power"?
>>2858702>No they'll fail like Russia in UkraineThe only thing that has saved the Ukraine from defeat is its massive size and direct land connection to NATO. And its not like the Ukraine's doing all that well when it has to literally abduct men into vans and force them into the army.
>chinese proles are less cucked so they'll rise upThe CPC has ~90% approval rating, so your CIA "revolution" will fail hard.
>>2858732To be fair, he was talking about Taiwan, not Xinjiang. But least the Ukraine is a widely-recognized county, whereas nobody officially considers Taiwan to be a country. Not even the Republic of China considers Taiwan to be a country.
>>2858953queue leftcoms seething about "chiggers" for not abolishing the commodity form as ITT:
>>>/leftypol/2853401 >>2859028our "leftcoms" are literally just western chauvinists
>>2858830Yeah that's liberal cope. You can dangle your favorite bourgeois nationalism approval rating as much as you want it changes nothing to the material reality of class struggle and imperialism.
China is a hope for the workers - who have no country - not because it's somehow a classfull moneyfull statefull socialist system but because it's the country with the most developped industrial proletariat - the revolutionary subject - that is capitalist and imperialist and will succumb to its inherent contradictions when they can't put down fires anymore.
China is ironically the only place where left entryism into the ruling party and reform has any chance of success
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