/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2834220
what was the texture comrade

Yeah, I read theory

>>2834217
he is what would heappen if a boomer granpa tried to emulate zoomer politics and asthetics

>>2834267
but he was a nazbol in the 1990s when he was only in his 30s, so he's always had scare-the-hoes style politics

>>2834217
Is just nazbol repackaged

dugin is the least retarded new rightoid

Loudest most progressive voice in anti imperialist thought

>>2834217
Btw, I found a good critical video essay about this uygha

I hope there are at least English subs for you monolingual cucks

>>2834490
>auto translate enabled for virtually every language except English
CIA fuckery at work here

>>2834252
This isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
Anyone have recs where to start with Dugin?

Dugin is anti-liberal and anti-nationalist, try again.

>>2834538
Duginist are the real Leninist of today

>>2834217
>hat did he mean by this?
Dugin comes off to me as a trad Christian integralist who draws upon traditionalist perennialism here and there (Orthodox Christian edition). I think that is his real underlying motive and ideology, which is a kind of Christian conservatism that is anti-Western because the West is Liberal (in the sense that it is anti-clerical or secular–he is opposed to the West for its secularism and that is highlighted by Liberalism).
He says
>fascism, communism, and capitalism bad
Probably because they're secular political ideologies and he's mostly there to promote Christianity like the conservatives generally do but backed by a vague gloss of politics.
Integralists aren't that hard to understand or even complicated; they only care to stress Church über alles, simple as that.
Besides that, yes, he speaks for multipolarism.
I would say he is an integralist because he primarily wants to promote a Church laden outlook and probably champions Iran politically for its ultraclericalism (not just as a multipolar bastion).

That carbomb should’ve blown up who it was intended for.

Bump for more introductory Dugin texts

>>2834273
yeah, cuz he is a boomer trying emulate zoomer politics and asthetics, he literally got future vision (annoying)

>>2834217
Nothing about Dugin's work advocates for "bourgeois liberal nationalism"; where exactly do you derive this claim? The fatality of so many leftists is their addiction to these empty buzzwords.
>>2834432
He attributes his inspiration from Alain de Benoist, who is an interesting writer who co-founded the European New Right.
>>2834949
Just read the Fourth Political Theory.
>>2834567
>Dugin comes off to me as a trad Christian integralist
Traditionalism (e.g. Guenon, Evola) and Christianity are contradictory in different aspects, especially since much of Christianity is the overcoming of tradition (Matt 15:1-3):
<Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015&version=NIV
It's for the same reason that Christians persecuted heathens for keeping their ancient customs and beliefs alive. For example, a decade after Christianity was made the official religion in Rome (380 CE), Theodosius I ordered the hearth in the Temple of Vesta to be extinguished, symbolising the end of this ancient tradition.
>I think that is his real underlying motive and ideology, which is a kind of Christian conservatism that is anti-Western because the West is Liberal
No, the point of the 4th political theory is that it is non-propositional, and so is not ideological. Dugin lists the different political subjects of the different modern politics: (i) liberalism is the political subjectivity of the individual, (ii) communism is the political subjectivity of the working class, and (iii) fascism is the political subjectivity of the nation. The 4th political theory is supposed to break from each of these. What then, is the 4th political subject? To Dugin, it is Dasein (being), which is immediate and unrepresented. So, when Dugin speaks about the West, he is speaking about a Western dasein which is contrary to his own. He sees that the west is both liberal and materialist in its foundations, reflected in philosophies such as nominalism. His concept of the West can also be linked to Spengler's view, of Faustian Man. Another conservative thinker is Schmitt, who Dugin draws from, by seeing Anglo-Saxons as water-based people, while Russians are land-based. Thus, he attributes liberalism, and capitalism as extensions of an essential Englishness in world-history. Marx for example, links the rise of capitalism in England with its protestant take-off, concurrent in the Weberian thesis, that capitalism is not simply Northern European, but protestant. This is also the theory Nick Land has too. So, if there were no English people, there would be no liberal capitalism, is the claim (while for example, the East practices "oriental despotism").
>he's mostly there to promote Christianity
Orthodoxy is not "Christianity" in any simple abstraction. He is not an ideologue and does not think the West can be "saved" by baptism, only that there is inherent civilisational warfare which spans history in a geopolitical manner.

>>2834983
how was he emulating zoomers when they were still in their diapers? you're not making any sense

>>2835017
Thank yoy based Dugin poster

>>2835017
>Alain de Benoist
he's the most retarded new rightoid

>>2835017
>especially since much of Christianity is the overcoming of tradition (Matt 15:1-3)
Is it really fair to say that of a 2000 year old Abrahamic religion that didn't even purge the old testament from its canon, which constitutes some of the most reactionary and conservative groups today, and cite 2000 year old Abrahamic religious scripture as your only source for the claim?

>>2835056
i just told you he got future vision, i know, none of this makes sense, nothing involving russia dose

>>2835017
>His concept of the West can also be linked to Spengler's view, of Faustian Man. Another conservative thinker is Schmitt, who Dugin draws from, by seeing Anglo-Saxons as water-based people, while Russians are land-based.
The funny thing about that is that Russians seem pretty Faustian? Like the restless drive towards the infinite? Idk but would Russia really have expanded to be as geographically large as it is if they were really so rooted and traditional as Dugin thinks they are? THEY SENT THE FIRST MAN INTO SPACE. Also there are Russians everywhere, but they don't seem to form very close diaspora communities. I remember reading Stalin and Milovan Djilas joking about German socialists being late to a conference (pre-revolutionary times) because they had to get their train tickets certified or something, because Russians would never do that. They'd just hop the border. They're like honey badgers. Honey badger don't care. Honey badger don't give a shit.

Russians are kind of Viking. People really go nuts with constructing these grand conceptual archetypes from abstract philosophy. I'm really skeptical of grand philosophical systems.

>>2834490
Watch S4A video on him or just read Marx (German Ideology especially)

It's interesting to read criticisms of Dugin from angry patriots like MAXIM KALASHNIKOV (great name, pen name though)

>LACK OF IMAGE OF THE FUTURE

>Another major miscalculation – lack of an Image of the Future. Dear Alexander Gelevich, being an expert in many languages and a bookworm, is fluent in the works of many philosophers. Interestingly quotes both Schumpeter and Gramsci. God himself ordered him to teach students.

>But where is Russian itself? Where is our victorious Image of Tomorrow, where should we go fighting? What does the Star of Russian Captivating Happiness look like? What does it mean to be Russian? And what is the Russian world? It turns out there is no answer to these questions. No matter how much you quote thinkers of the past, especially Western ones. Ivan Ilyin also does not spoil us.

>Instead, the chosen style was not the best style of conversation with the public. In the spirit of the primitive, pseudo-folk popular prints of Rostopchin, the Moscow Governor-General of 1812. Move as many people as possible to villages! Give repression, it spurs development! We need to put Comrade Major with a stick in charge of culture! You just need to militarize life in the country! (True, without demands on the state to change the incomprehensible status of the SVO to a full-fledged state of war, to create a State Defense Committee and introduce military socialism).

>All this caused a natural reaction and gave propaganda trump cards into the hands of the enemies. Yeah, they offer us retrograde, archaic, they say. Porridge in the beard. It is no wonder that the youth greeted it with hostility.

>Being the same person from the same dynamic-conservative circles as A. Dugin, considering himself a national futurist, I know very well that the meaning of our struggle is – combining the most daring creativity (and the scientific and technological revolution) with centuries-old traditions. Didn't the Japanese, preserving their unique culture, combine this with the construction of first the world's best aircraft carriers and aircraft «Zeros», and then with electronics and robots? Have they returned to the realities of the fifteenth century? Today's Iranians are also in no hurry to go there, combining their ancient customs with the construction of drones and gas turbines. And our enemies, the Nazis, did not reproduce the realities of life of the German tribes of Alaric’s time, but were the first in the world to create jet aviation, cruise and ballistic missiles.In his fiery editorials, Alexander Prokhanov calls for a fusion of ancient ideals and the most advanced technology…

>It was impossible to make mistakes by publicist guards from the time of Nicholas the First. They tried to declare the current state of that Russia a complete altenative of the decaying West. Not noticing that serfdom has strangled the development of the country, that widespread corruption is destroying sovereignty. Oh, what a bitter hangover that had during the Crimean War!
https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4553286.html

Also Dugin is not a nationalist, yes. He's a traditionalist whose ideas owe to Guenon and Evola (who weren't Russians btw). He sees nationalism as bourgeois, Western, modern, atheistic, and secular though and he's against all of that. Russia in his mind (as an archetype) is an unchanging sacred space, but being so radically opposed to the West in such a way (rather than a backwards parody of the West like Polina Gagarina covering Limp Bizkit – see above), Russia can realize itself as the subject of world history with the help of the country's enormous raw materials.

I think these ideas are idiotic. It's some kind of intoxication with backwardness. At the current rate they'll lose the war too. Smart people build space systems, idiots build churches. BTW, one infantry soldier costs as much as an armored vehicle or a squadron of drones. But since the infantry suffers huge losses from drones, war also becomes archaic and mega-costly. You really need people who know how to work with microelectronics and software and also have a better (more modern) organization that can make decisions more quickly.

>>2835017
Wtf? Are you saying that Christianity is not traditionalist because there's a bible passage that nominally claims not to be, when in fact it's an entrenched tradition lasting thousands of years?

>>2835017
Schizzo abstract idealist nonsense

>>2836115
>Porridge in the beard
lmfao i love russian idioms

>>2836115
Another piece by this guy, rough auto-translation:

>Alexander Dugin made a real hardware breakthrough. He and the Ilyin VPSh will have to become the main supervisory authority for the fight against Western humanitarian theories harmful to Russians and responsible for the Russian world gaining its ideological sovereignty. The presidential decree on this matter was issued on May 8, 2024. But will some of Alexander Gelyevich’s texts be disavowed?

Guardian of the worldview

>Let's give the floor to AGD himself:

<«You probably know that Russia has now begun a very serious process of revising the basic content of humanitarian knowledge. This is a very extensive initiative, since during the confrontation with Western civilization, in the second year of the SVO, experts from the Ministry of Education and a number of other serious structures discovered that our education in the humanitarian sphere is filled with Western-centric attitudes. These theories systematically underestimate the importance of Russian civilization, Russian identity, and oppose Russia’s special path. We are dealing with methodologies built on the basis of the unconditional universality of the Western path of development, undermining the idea of Russia’s civilizational sovereignty. This state of affairs has been found in many, virtually all, humanities disciplines.

<The Ivan Ilyin Higher Political School took an active part in this study. In all the humanities disciplines, we found «minefields» of Western-centric paradigms. Our socio-humanities, our education have been structured this way in the last three decades, and maybe even earlier. Which created a systemic problem.

<As far as I know, when the results of the study were communicated to the President, he reacted in a certain way. It is interesting that of all the humanitarian disciplines, according to the President, history is of primary importance. And here we must not wait, we must take action immediately. Because this is the most important thing: historical identity, the continuity of different stages of the formation of our people and the state-forming role of the Russian people as the core - all this is of fundamental importance now. We cannot hesitate to do this.

<Although the President did not explain what he meant by an early decision, after the publication of the Decree «On the Fundamentals of State Policy in Matters of Historical Education», we received clear answers to what he meant. Of course, order needs to be restored in political science, philosophy, cultural studies, sociology, anthropology, and psychology. Everything here is Western-centric. We need Russian education in all disciplines…

<The most important strategic task is the historical education of our society, our state and the strengthening of people's identity. And, of course, all this radically changes the attitude towards the state-forming Russian people. Finally, in our history, over the past hundred years, and maybe much more, the Russian people have been given their due, they are proclaimed the subject of history. And any disrespectful statement or attitude towards the Russian idea, towards the Russian spirit, towards Russian philosophy, towards Russian identity, based on the need for historical education, must lead to specific legal consequences.

<No one has the right to insult Russians. Russophobia is racism. Neither in Russia itself nor abroad, no one has the right to insult Russians just because they are Russian… »

>Totally –
>https://dzen.ru/a/Zju7YZe3YmSHb1n3

>How does all this fit in with «fog and milk»?

>The task is worthy and important. It is impossible to win a historic victory while wearing the glasses of Western theories. Denying ourselves the right to be a civilization. But, excuse me, how does all this fit with the text posted in the TG channel of the AGD itself? I quote it in full.

<«To solve the demographic problem of Russia with one blow, you just need to move from Modernity to Tradition at once. And that's it. Cities will be immediately resettled, strong Orthodox families with many children will form on the land. Divorce —not like abortion! — will be prohibited. They won't be there. It’s impossible and that’s it. Married — be so kind as to live to death. You should have thought earlier. For fornication — fire. For theft — hanging. For blasphemy against the Tsar — eternal hard labor. And only the subtle roar of standard chants over Holy Rus'. Without end and edge. “World Glory…”

<Black arrows of monastic processions. The quiet tense snoring of a plowman and the snoring of a stately, well-fed horse. The piercing smell of fresh milk in the fog. Water and bread. Donkey and bull.
<And round dance figures of the Russian sun. Squad and family, shelves and scales. And the King! To make everyone happy…»

>I'm wondering: AGD disavows this text? Will he say that this was a postmodern joke? And what is this – image of the Russian Future that he does not want? After all, if this – is not a joke, then naming the VPSh after Ilyin at the Russian State University for the Humanities will turn out to be just a trivial issue against the backdrop of such an ideal of the Russian World of tomorrow. Because this cannot be called anything other than a second half-potovism (even under a different ideological and religious banner).

Pol Pot №2

>For what are they offering us? Voluntary abandonment of cities, industry, science and technology. From modern medicine. From science education. We must even plow on horses again. Of course, all this is pure delusional dystopia. But let's say it is implemented. Millions of people died during the forced resettlement of cities. What's the end result? We got a mass «of new villagers» with the lowest labor productivity, falling back in yield to 10-15 centners per hectare (as at the beginning of the twentieth century). Yes, today we don’t even have enough horses for such dismantling of cities! We returned to the stinking Middle Ages, with its periodic years of famine, low birth, and epidemics. Sterligovism triumphed.

>But our neighbors are celebrating a celebration. They are not at all going to fall into the cash-bearded archaic, preserving science with education, highly developed industry, and advanced armies. What will such neighbors do to a huge country that has fallen into the insanity of archaization? Well, yes: new (Chinese) colonialists are everywhere, stinkers breaking their caps in front of the visiting governor Liu Xin, guard drones over the fields where neo-peasants, after the church, go to bend their backs on foreign latifundists. Or to raw materials industries. Yes, foreign gentlemen are rational: they will give tractors to the stinkers of the Third Millennium. Of course, its own production. So that excellent Russian black soils provide the colonizers with the necessary productivity…

>Damn, the plan «Ost» of the Nazis Rosenberg and Konrad Meyer is resting! Remember from Hitler's table conversations? «Locals? We'll have to start filtering them. We will remove destructive Jews altogether. My impression of Belarusian territory is still better than that of Ukrainian territory. We will not go to Russian cities; they should completely die out. We must not torment ourselves with remorse. We don’t need to get used to the role of a nanny; we have no obligations to the residents there. Repair houses, catch lice, German teachers, newspapers? No! It would be better if we opened a radio station under our control, but otherwise they only need to know the traffic signs so as not to get in our way! By freedom, these people mean the right to wash only on holidays. If we come with shampoo, it won't evoke sympathy. You need to retrain there.There is only one task: carrying out Germanization through the importation of Germans, and the former inhabitants must be considered as Indians.»

>Well, and words familiar to schoolchildren of the USSR that it is enough for slaves to know German and count to five hundred…

>However, there is an even more obvious (as opposed to the unrealized «Osta») example: the power of the ultra-left savage sect of Pol Pot in Cambodia-Kampuchea in 1975-1979. When the «Khmer Rouge» seized power, they destroyed money circulation, destroyed universities, and in the first three days evicted the 2.5 million population of the capital Phnom Penh to rural «communes». Almost breaking the entire urban culture. Pol Pot said: «The existence of cities creates inequality between inhabitants… City — abode of vice; you can change people, but not cities. By working hard to uproot the jungle and grow rice, a person will finally understand the true meaning of life. He needs to remember what came from the rice seed. All Kampucheans must become peasants…»

>We remember the result very well: a quarter of the population of Kampuchea-Cambodia was destroyed. Tens of thousands died immediately during the forced resettlement of cities alone. Mountains of skulls in the fields. Destruction of national cadres of specialists: engineers, doctors, skilled workers and technicians, teachers. Return to manual labor and hunger. Pathetic natural rations. Executions with hoes (to save ammunition). Shoes made from old tires. Contentment in Beijing (which supported Pol Pot's regime) – territory is being cleared for colonization by the Chinese. As a result – the troops of far from the most developed Vietnam entered the country in 1979 and swept away the power of the crazy fanatics. Watch the excellent film by Alexander Kaverznev «Spring in Phnom Penh».

>And now offer us something similar as an image of our future? Alexander Gelevich, we need clarity with that very text. For from this day forward, it is very problematic for the Russian world to create a full-fledged worldview for our civilization, defeating not only «modernity» in the neoliberal-globalist version, but also Swabian «socialism».
http://www.apn-spb.ru/opinions/article38384.htm

If Russians were le based land people against the Anglo sea people menace their main policy goal wouldn’t have been seeking a warm water port from the time of Ivan the Terrible

He read Heidegger and it fried his brain.
Never go full Heidegger.

>>2835017
>words, words, words, words
Lol, no.
This is the middle of bell curve tier;
in simplicity, yes, it narrows down to muh Christianity.
The main reason the simplicity of that answer bothers people, I suspect, is because they want to focus on the ugliness of "The Liberal" and not on their alternative – which is, yes, in its simplicity, another variant of conservacuck Christianity.
Most people here would probably rather be Liberals than true and honest Christcucks, that is why they focus on the Liberalism part and less on what they're selling–which is conservacuckist Christianity.

>>2837598
>literally can't read
just dont reply next time.

>>2837602
>no, it has to be more complicated, my being, not subjectivity of the individual, nation, or working class
It's integralist slop.
He denies the subjectivity of these because he appeals to being, yes, which in lieu probably translates to true and honest Christcuck which he holds as fundamental as opposed to these temporalisms in churchspeak.
Integralist cloaks his intentions about Liberalism because he knows Church first position is not actually appealing to the public, so the integralist masks his intentions with his obscurantism.

Dugin's Church integralism is very out in the open and apparent. He opposes Liberalism, Fascism, and Communism, probably because these are opposed to Church integralism.
People see Church integralism as lameduck: so they try to gravitate around the simple statement of Church integralism, but ultimately what it narrows down to is Christianity.
What proof is there of Dugin's Church integralism? Because that is what Dugin is–is the Orthodox version of what would be a Catholic integralist in the West.

#1:
>I believe Christ is the King, God, Man. I believe in Orthodox Church and its teaching. I believe in holy Mother Russia. And I believe that Christian Empire is the only legitimate form of political system.

#2:
>I adore classic West – of Plato and Aristotle. Christian West. The West of Hegal and Heidegger. There is no more anything like that. It has gone long ago. Now we deal with Anti-Christian parody. Modern Western civilization has no chance to survive. It is the culture of the end. Let's end this never ending end.

#3. (Dugin's preference for Scholasticism)
>Modernity is anti-Plato and anti-Aristotle. But pro-Democritus. Democritus is common root for communism and liberalism. So the alternative to communism and liberalism can be only return to Plato and Aristotle. That is why Political Platonism is so important.

>Plato is metaphysical foundation of our civilization. But that doesn't mean Aristotle is to be abandoned. Proclus, Simplicius and other neoplatonists have included Aristotle in platonic context. Correct reading of Aristotle is that of Alexander of Afrodisias and Brentano.

>The wrong science started with abandon of Aristotle. His theory affirmed in body gravitation and levitation. The fire and air push the body up. The water and the earth – down. Galileo and Newton have denied the levitation. And the Universe became material. It started to fall.

Dugin's hatred of the West – is not because of multipolarity or even Liberalism – the hatred espoused to the West is simply because it isn't a New Jerusalem (of the Church). He certainly does want a baptism of the West, which Dugin makes very clear by his homages to a Christian West.
His allegiance with the Islamic Republic of Iran – is also because obviously Christian Integralist sympathies to the struggles of their Ultraclericalism.
In all honesty, Duginism isn't even multipolarism, but an alliance of unipolarist religious integralists against the pretense of "Liberalism" and the US, who all would impose their own religious regimin in the absence of such an enemy as unipolarist as they see Liberalism to be.
…
The West is hated here, not simply because it is Atlantis, but because ultimately it refuses to be the New Jerusalem (of the Church).
New Jerusalem is not a multipolar order. Especially in the context of the West. It is but a rival unipolarist movement that has temporarily made alliances against Liberalism.

#4:
>The West will be severely punished for being what it is and was. The West is an error, a mistake, a heresy. It has lost its own Tradition [Christianity/The Church/New Jerusalem] and obliges the others to lose theirs under hard pressure. The Western imperialism is anti-imperial. It is anti-Christ. Carthage not Rome.

#5:
>The West dethroned Christianity 5 centuries ago. The atheism and materialism triumphed there long ago. God is dead for the Western for hundreds of years. Epstein moment is just terminal point. The modern West is the Antichrist, the civilization of Ba'al.

#6:
>Charlie Kirk and the Cause of God.

>Alexander Dugin portrays the advance of Satanic civilization waging open war against Christ, with Erika Kirk's words of forgiveness shining as a living testament to Christian faith.

Dugin is clearly just an Integralist who opposes Liberalism, Communism, and Fascism for the sake of the Church, who opposes the West for the sake of New Jerusalem, and who aligns with the Islamic Republic of Iran as his very own City on a Hill for its ultraclericalism, simple as.

>>2837721
how not trust haz? i heard he was the one who extracted the rational kernel from dugin. thats what acp people said

>>2837721
I unironically support the ACP. Letting idpol brainrot delay the liberation of humanity is the Left's biggest fucking mistake.

idk if I’d trust any of these smaller communist orgs. I don’t see how taking a harder stance on idpol is gonna make socialism sound more appealing except for maybe convincing a right winger or two, but I think it’s unlikely.

>>2837669
clericalism is so retarded. we are never going back to witch hunts and killing each other in the streets over which bishop is elected pope, sorry abrahamoids.

>>2837763
>Letting idpol brainrot delay the liberation of humanity
if you think the ACP isn't also doing that but just in a conservatoid way i have a bridge to sell you. the point is to ignore idpol and move the fuck on not say shit like picrelated nonstop

like how is pic related being above idpol?

>>2837763
based based based

>>2837973
ok this video is fine. he's just debunking US imperialism. my problem is when they do conservative idpol and then pretend that's anti-idpol. "yes we are bigots." "LGBT imperialism." "Call us nazis." what is the usefulness of that other than just triggering people and getting views?

>>2837970
mom i pulled out the three year old screencaps again

>>2838027
>3 years is a long time ago, let it go
if what the freikorps did 100 years ago proves socdems today are fascist then i can quote haztards from 3 years ago

>>2838029
the freikorps are dead and so are no longer evolving. the very fact that people can only bring posts from 3 years ago exposes everything we need to know

>>2838008
> "yes we are bigots." "LGBT imperialism." "Call us nazis." what is the usefulness of that other than just triggering people and getting views?
Trying to work up his own following into a froth.

>>2838047
so is the implication that he no longer stands by his own opinions from 3 years ago?

>>2837660
Integralism is just Puritanism/Jacobinism wanting a Republic of Virtue reskinned as Catholic. It's the same shining city on a hill stuff.

>>2838089
of course he does, that other guy just agrees and thinks it's based to scapegoat the FAGGOTS and the TREWNZ for what the evangelical zionists did