Marxist teleology is wrong

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Marxist teleology is wrong Anonymous 11-06-26 05:13:23 No.2836672

There is no linear causal relationship between the phases of socialism and communism. Very rarely does one transition to the other, and it seems like EZLN managed to transition from minimal state to closer to stateless when pressured by cartels, while the USSR only diverged from that with time. Prefigurative politics and muscle memory is important as much as mode of production in determining which direction a society moves long term.

Anonymous 11-06-26 05:36:21 No.2836691

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>>2836672
>There is no linear causal relationship between the phases of socialism and communism.
Marxism does not claim this.

Anonymous 11-06-26 05:36:32 No.2836693

>Marxist teleology
lmao

Anonymous 11-06-26 05:46:03 No.2836699

>>2836691
Then what about the claim that capitalism first needs to be expropriated into a dictatorship of the proletariat before the state withers away? Do states wither away whey don't have use anymore? I don't think so. I think big governments tend to self perpetuate left to their own devices.

I'm also pretty sure the USSR didn't even have a legal mechanism to let itself wither away.

Anonymous 11-06-26 05:49:22 No.2836702

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>>2836699
None of that is Marxism. You can't expropriate a mode of production (capitalism), but property. Less so can you expropriate into another governmental form. Words have meaning and you have a responsibility to learn it before using them.

Anonymous 11-06-26 06:23:45 No.2836716

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>>2836672
It's not teleology. It was the year 1998 and the Spartacist League HAMMERED this fact into history.

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/pamphlets/Enlightenement_Rationalism_Marxism.pdf

Anonymous 11-06-26 11:24:58 No.2836799

>>2836716
It really is amazing how much ideological rubbish accumulated on the left during the 20th century due to Marx not being widely translated, or his words being twisted and misquoted by Stalinite falsifiers.

Anonymous 11-06-26 11:28:47 No.2836802

there is no logos; only nomos

Anonymous 11-06-26 12:23:41 No.2836823

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>>2836672
>Marxist teleology is wrong
Yes, cuz history has no 'goal' including communism. History is just what it is. It's a description.

Anonymous 11-06-26 14:34:28 No.2836883

>Marxist
<Teleology

Man what?

Anonymous 11-06-26 18:07:36 No.2837068

>>2836672
you're a retard
go read some lenin on the state

Anonymous 11-06-26 21:36:00 No.2837218

>>2836883
For medieval era people they saw it as a given that everything has a purpose and a reason instead of being driven by scientific laws. I think Marxism is closer to that worldview than reality, because I still haven't seen a time where state socialism successfully became communist like.

Anonymous 11-06-26 21:37:49 No.2837219

>>2837218
Marxism at best is a social science and not one that has a good empirical record.

Anonymous 11-06-26 23:37:44 No.2837328

>>2837218
Scientific laws in Marxism are a piece of the fashion of the late 19th century. You know, positivism was quite popular back then. Even Engels once said that Ernst Mach has a point that science is only empirical (Engels also made a proviso that science is the diamat as well).

Anonymous 12-06-26 01:50:12 No.2837420

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