I know this is going to sound fucked, and I'm not happy about saying it, but I'm starting to think that the only way the American left is going to survive is if the "Third Turdist" wing, the Maoists, the anarchists, the black bloc types gets crushed under the weight of a terrorism designation. and the best possible thing any normal level headed leftist can do is do not get involved, don't even vocally support them and turn them into martyrs. Espescially the anarchists, why would marxist-leninists who follow the actual communist international get involved in a civil war on behalf of them and other deviationists? And I hate that I'm even typing this but sometimes logic needs to trump feels.
Look, I've been in leftist spaces for years. I've read the theory. I've done the organizing. But these people are not serious. They treat revolution like a LARP. They assault random civilians. They smash windows and call it "propaganda of the deed.". They celebrate mentally ill shooters. They dress as hamas and celebrate the death of US servicemen in the streets. And then they wonder why normal workers think we're all insane.
The Islamist militant groups GWOT has been fighting for decades are hardened, disciplined, and ideologically driven by something that tells them they are rewarded in the next life. These anarchist and Maoist street fighters? They're not. They're soft. They're mostly middle class kids with face tattoos and oppositional defiance disorder and they can't even handle a 90 hour work week without quitting let alone the full weight of an anti terror crack down. their rehtoric is vietcong, their balls are the size of chestnuts. Once the GWOT energy gets redirected onto them once the feds start treating antifa like they treated Al Qaeda these people will fold like a lawn chair. They don't have the training, the discipline, or the popular support to survive a sustained crackdown. Now sure some of them are actually competent or smart people but those people are constantly drug down by the normal base of twitter maoists and tumblr anarchists.
And here's the part I really hate to admit, Trump might actually be doing real leftists a favor by going after them. Because right now, these people are the single biggest obstacle to the majority of Americans accepting socialism. Every time a normie sees a masked anarchist smashing a Starbucks window, that's another vote for the far right. Every time a Maoist calls a union worker a "labor aristocrat cracker," that's another worker lost to the white supremacist cause.
I'm not saying I support the crackdown. I'm saying I'm watching it happen, and I can't find it in myself to feel sorry for them. They've made themselves the enemy of anyone who actually wants to build working class power. They kicked one of the biggest hornets nests in the world knowing they werent ready. they are even attempting to wind it back, notice anarchists dont want to throw hands with civilians anymore? they think they can dial it back and return to "muh class war" but its too late now, antifa fucked up bad. theres already too many people who want to get their revenge on them, and theyre people with power.
So yeah. Let the feds label antifa a terrorist ideology. Let them raid the squats the infoshops, the libaries, let them shut down the websites, the blogs, let them lock up the kids who think smashing a bank machine is revolution. Maybe then, when the dust settles, the rest of us can finally get to work organizing the working class for real.
I hate that I'm saying this. But I'm not wrong. /rant
This is like the 10th thread on the very same topic in the last week, lmao. Just say you hate brown people.
The funniest part about all this is watching anarchists and Maoists talk a big game. Insurrection this, revolution that. They sound like they're ready to burn the whole system down. But when it actually comes time to back up their words with action? They scale way back. Suddenly it's just spray paint, a smashed window, or a screaming match between two overgrown children with personality disorders.
Look it up. A neo-Nazi lumpen crew gets together, and they're out committing hate crimes and armed bank robberies. They're actually doing damage they brag about, not that it's cool, but it shows they aren't middle class larpers, theyre ready to die for their race in their minds. Meanwhile, an anarchist or Maoist lumpen group does the same thing? Best they can manage is maybe a paint marker, some wheatpasted flyers here and there, and then they're back online begging for money. lol
The difference in escalation is a joke. One side actually follows through on the violence of their rhetoric. The other side? Just professional yappers with stencils and a GoFundMe calling it muh mutual aid
>>2838586i am brown you idiot, but i guess you fucking fools consistently say OH MY GOD HOW COULD SOMEONE OF YOUR RACE WORK HERE YOU ARENT A REAL LATINO WAHHHH.
>>2838588>communists should partake in unorganized sporadic violence so posters on the internet can feel like they're doing something (tm)just end it all
>>2838593So let me get this straight. The anarchists talk all this militant shit insurrection this, smash the state that but they won't actually "crash out" until thousands of working class people are backing them? What kind of fucking adventurist anarchists are these? they want to use the population as human shields, because they have no balls. Waiting for more people to join before you act? I thought that was Leninism. Sounds like you're just building a vanguard with extra steps. retarded, either do adventurism or dont talk about doing adventurism
>>2838582Third-worldism is a dead-end all it seeks to establish are just non-western and non-white nationalist and capitalist countries and societies.
>>2838599I don't care about anarkiddies
I mean yeah, they’re not serious revolutionaries. They’re people who just wanna talk shit.
The right has groypers, libs have radlibs, we have TWists. They’re all doomscroll perverts getting off on getting mad at the “normies” in their heads.
>>nazis
>>One side actually follows through on the violence of their rhetoric.
You basically cracked the case. Anarchists and Maoists weren't running around randomly beating people or "hunting fascists" for sport. What was actually happening was organized American reactionaries were going around attacking non white workers, older or less prepared leftists, liberals with brute force. The police often helped orchestrate or set these beatings up, while providing utmost security for the reactionary demonstrators. The anarchists and Maoists showed up as self‑defense units to protect other weaker leftists from getting their heads kicked in. They weren't the aggressors. They were the response.
Here in 2026, the reactionary base hates Israel and the elite more than they hate the local lefties these days. So they're not convinced they should be fighting leftists in the streets 24/7 anymore. And once the aggressors slow down, the anarchists and Maoists have no one to defend against as often. So they stop showing up. Everything they did was purely about defending anti‑capitalists and leftist unity against actual physical attacks. It wasn't adventurism, it was organized self-defense.
Next time you see a leftist complaining that "the antifa aren't fighting anymore," ask them why the fascists stopped swinging first. You might not like the answer.
>>2838582>crushed under the weight of a terrorism designationTell us more. How far in the works is this designation?
>>2838582>why would marxist-leninists who follow the actual communist international That hasn't existed since, like, 1940.
>The Islamist militant groups GWOT has been fighting for decades are hardened, disciplined, and ideologically driven by something that tells them they are rewarded in the next life. These anarchist and Maoist street fighters? They're not. They're soft. Sh'yeah… that's true.
>Every time a Maoist calls a union worker a "labor aristocrat cracker," that's another worker lost to the white supremacist cause.People don't know how many reactionaries there are in the "third world." There's a lot. It's really fucked. Just the other night I was hanging out with a Peruvian girl and a Puerto Rican guy. And the Peruvian girl was like "I don't like Keiko, but the other guy is a communist" and that settled it for her. And the Puerto Rican guy was a sovereignist who wanted independence but he was a chud so he thought the Nationalist Party from the '30s was based but not the Marxist ones. It's bad.
>>2838613ive seen the list. Not the one circulating on Telegram, but the real one the federal one. The internal designation already exists, quietly tucked into the appendices of a 2026 counterterrorism budget appendix. It categorizes "decentralized anti-state, Racial Marxists, and other anarchist-adjacent networks" under the same bureaucratic umbrella as designated foreign terror organizations. The legal framework was signed into effect by NSPM-7 back in September 2025 .
They are waiting on a new executive order one that is already drafted and sitting in the OMB for final review. The word is that the trigger will be a potential high-profile "incident" sometime in the next six to eight months (according to the data logged on the militant lefts behavioral patterns) providing the pretext to declassify the watchlist and activate the "neutralization protocols" .
This is not about prosecutions alone and it wont be. The Prairieland, Texas case was just the test a couple of dozen arrests and a terrorism tag to see how the public reacted, and they barely did. What is coming is different. We are talking about preemptive financial lockdowns (via the IRS 990 guidance), asset seizure under the new "material support" statutes, and the activation of the NSPM-7 Joint Mission Center a ten-agency fusion hub designed to "disrupt" these networks before they move .
There is an interactive app on the DOJ internal portal. It maps nodes, funding streams, and communication patterns for about 5,000 individuals currently. The designation has already been made. The infrastructure is in place. They are just waiting for the "Go" order .
When it drops, Prairieland will look like a parking ticket. The next 12 to 24 months are going to be brutal. Prepare accordingly. The anarchists and maoists will essentially, if not arrested, be pushed out of the benefits of our society, which will force them into being underground, which wont end well for them. i advise any serious anarchist or maoist with an organizing history that they can look up.. just leave the country as soon as they can.
>>2838618And the government has been shown to be completely stupid and incompetent before. I wouldn't be surprised if they get a lot of false positives and arrest the incorrect people.
Reminder, Fascists are ultimately paper tigers and will fold the moment that any strong resistance to their actions is felt.
>>2838582Besides you know the right-wing is just going to call anyone they don't like "antifa", right? And antifa isn't an origination, it's a action and a method.
>>2838657>I wouldn't be surprised if they get a lot of false positives and arrest the incorrect people. Of course but they would consider it an acceptable cost if they get the majority of people who oppose them.
>Fascists are ultimately paper tigers and will fold the moment that any strong resistance to their actions is felt.You make it sound like a few protests will win the day. Last time the fascists took power it took several years of war all over the world and millions of lives before they where stopped. This time they have nukes so there wont be any outside invasions.
>>2838657>Reminder, Fascists are ultimately paper tigers and will fold the moment that any strong resistance to their actions is felt.this is just wishful thinking. look at indonesia where they had the largest communist party and the reactionaries crushed it.
>>2838665>this is just wishful thinking. look at indonesia where they had the largest communist party and the reactionaries crushed it.Because they were funded by the USA and trained by the CIA, with the fall of the USA's prominence on the world stage, there will come more opportunities for communists to rise up.
>>2838664And stop pretending the government is hyper-competent at anything, that's what the fascists want you to believe, in reality they were completely stupid, incompetent and inefficient. The US Government has basically lost it's touch and is run by retarded failsons and chud internet retards.
>>2838614>People don't know how many reactionaries there are in the "third world." There's a lot. It's really fuckedConsider this: from the left to the far right, all elected politicians in the Global North seek to maintain the neocolonial relations of domination/inequality between their countries and those of the South. Meanwhile, reactionary politicians elected by people like this Peruvian and this Puerto Rican exist to guarantee commodities and extremely cheap labor to feed the industries/markets of the Global North. This is the main contradiction expressed in the political economy on an international scale; it has nothing to do with progressivism or backwardness on a personal level for citizens of nations.
>>2838670>Because they were funded by the USA and trained by the CIAIt wasn't just the military. A lot of the time the military stood to the side and simply gave permission to the Islamists, gangsters, militias and local civilians to kill the people who they suspected as leftists.
>in reality they were completely stupid, incompetent and inefficient. Yeah they weren't the super geniuses some people portray them as but they weren't stupid and still managed to kill millions of people. They used the tech available (IMB punch-cards) and basic police work to track down and kill undesirables. Imagine if they had access to the information now being keep in giant data centers US/NATO has.
>The US Government has basically lost it's touch The government doesn't need to be in touch. Anyone who has said anything leftist on the internet and social media that can be connected to their real ID is on a list and is in danger.
>run by retarded failsons and chud internet retards.The failsons sit on the top and are not the ones who actually do the leg work. People doing the legwork build files and cases which go through several people in institution so they don't need to be smart on an individual level.
"Thurd-Wordists" in the imperial core is as much as a issue as a bunch of brown mexicans larping as nazis and calling themselfs america first, you should worry more about making a third-party or breaking away from a useless one (like DSA or CPUSA for example), try to get seats and convince people to stop voting for fucking democrat.
>>2838665The communist party in Indonesia was a menshevik, popular-front kind of communist party that was all for stageism and "first Kerensky then us" kind of politics. It's easy to have numbers when there's four coherent positions in the political landscape. It's a question what to do with these millions who have no fucking clue what the dotp is
>>2838708
>revolution must happen inside the imperial core and then exported outside of it.
Americans refuse to do anything revolutionary no matter what though and euros are basically all nazis.
>>2838708
bolivian workers are currently strikemogging all firstie proles doe
>>2838599>>2838610Oh look the fedposter is back with his 99th thread on the /leftypol/ mods go "yes sir!" to.
>I've read the theory. I've done the organizing.
For example?
Us means israelis and amerikans. You are fascist
>>2838801Especially the mods
>>2838657This is essentially what happened with the Jakarta method. The U.S. government was creating kill lists of communist national liberationists, but they ended up only capturing the softer, more visible side of the communist and natlib movements. The guerillas remained hidden due to their operational security, so it was mainly the people who appeared to support them rather than the fighters themselves who were arrested en masse. The effect was the opposite of what the U.S. intended, thousands of people were pushed underground, and the softer communists ended up joining the hardened ones.
>>2838688Of course the government doesn't need to be largely competent to kill or jail you. That's not the concern of actual revolutionaries though. The concern of revolutionaries is, can the government easily kill the revolutionary spirit with a few bodies, including your own? Do you think Che said "they can kill me, it's hopeless"? I'm not trying to be aggressive or edgy here, and you can call this LARP all you want, but the fact of the matter is, studies show that within 8 to 12 months, normal is gone. Things will get very intense, as in living "normal life" for many people will not be an option. If you are not ready for this as a leftist, I think it's seriously time to start discussing exit plans.
>>2838582They're extremely unlikely to get labeled "terrorists" and repressed because they simultaneously don't do anything, alienate people from their causes, and are ineffectual. Also:
>they can't even handle a 90 hour work week without quitting A 90 hour work week is absurd. Just retarded. And that you compare it to Islamists when there's a literal problem among the Taliban with them loathing their cozy office jobs and enjoying the "freedom" of being guerilla fighters.
>>2838849>The effect was the opposite of what the U.S. intended, thousands of people were pushed underground, and the softer communists ended up joining the hardened ones.Thousands survived out of a million and you are trying to frame it as some sort of success? This is crazy cope. They killed popular support for the communists and the remainder fucked around in the jungle accomplishing nothing.
>>2838856> That's not the concern of actual revolutionaries though.Bro wtf of course it is a concern. If the revolutionaries are dead then who is being revolutionary? Maoist martyr culture is unhinged.
>can the government easily kill the revolutionary spirit with a few bodies, including your own?Yes. That's what happened in Indonesia and the rest of Asia, South America, and Africa.
>within 8 to 12 months, normal is gone. Things will get very intense, I believe it.
>>2839094
Houthis are braver and better people than you’ll ever be
>>2838582ok this went the opposite of the way i thought it would but what do you call them third turdist. anarchists are individualists?
>>2838933>>They're extremely unlikely to get labeled "terrorists" 5 years ago called, they want their accurate statements back. the desigination is already enacted and theres executive orders waiting to be put forth, already written up, that will involve green lighting mass action
>>2839448There are also 100k information bounties for civilians and cops that include payouts for information related to antifa cells. the budget for this is enormous and already in full affect your delusional cpusa anon
thats actually kinda a good point OP, but I hope they just get jail sentences i dont think i could stand by and be happy to watch comrades get murdered, third turdist, anarchist, or not.
>>2838614>And the Puerto Rican guy was a sovereignist who wanted independence but he was a chud so he thought the Nationalist Party from the '30s was based but not the Marxist ones. It's bad.The Marxist ones, at the time, saw American colonialism as historically progressive and were allied to American trade unions instead. The PNPR is seen positively by both chuds and some Marxists because they're the only ones who fought against the colonial state. It's complicated.
whoever is the first to fire a shot and actually fire at someone deserving of it they have my support
>>2842609They were definitely just a white glow operation, or people who skipped about fifty steps and ended up LARPing with live ammunition. That's not what happened with the Black Liberation Army, the Black Guerilla Family, or any of the other groups that actually engaged in real self-defense or offensive action against the white supremacist state. Those were real. Euro-Americans got soft after FDR's New Deal, and for a long time now since the '60s at least the "hardest" and "angriest" of white America (big pause) has either been completely turnt out into PoC communities or gone full-blown redneck patriot. There is very little in-between.
The softness of these leftist types actively repels the most destitute white Americans from their ranks. Because nothing says "I'm here to help the working class" like a bunch of privileged white kids lecturing someone who breaks their back every day or traps outside a gas station to survive about how they "don't understand race and class." It's pathetic.
I actually support the Maoists putting these types through struggle periods. The idea of this being done gets more appealing every day. How can you have leftists this disconnected from material reality and expect them to function when shit gets real? American leftists can't even chant cohesively. I've been near anarchist protests in New York when visiting, and even among their most righteous, the energy was low, the noise was weak. But when I traveled to Greece, I heard the roar of anarchists from five blocks away and it vibrated through my body. They were loud, they were energetic, they were anything but meek. What gives? Americans are soft. Plain and simple. The American left would have had nothing of value to add since about the 30s or 40s if it weren't for PoC leftists.
>>2842623>That's not what happened with the Black Liberation Army, the Black Guerilla Family, or any of the other groups that actually engaged in real self-defense or offensive action against the white supremacist stateThey were a step above the white radical leftist groups, but they were just as ineffective. Shooting one cop and getting all your members arrested isn't a battle, it's pure idiocy
>>2838700>The communist party in Indonesia was a menshevik, popular-front kind of communist party that was all for stageismSo they were anti-imperialists?
>>2842939Cum Town was funny albeit
>>2842939>hasan>masculineHe had the chance to fight Sam Hyde after screaming punch nazis, then didn't take the call. He works out, and is big, but thats not the same as being a fighter? How many fighters are on the left? meanwhile in the USA right wing culture is ingrained into combat sports. I've been to leftist gyms in the USA and, they're doing good things in the USA but it doesn't seem like hardened fighters, it seems like hardly able bodied people trying to keep in shape, which is fine, but I talked to someone that had to drop out of training the USA leftoids because they would get mad at things that seemed "mean" or "aggressive". My same friend took said he was in an anarchist boxing gym in greece, and the entire gym was filled with fucking killers, which i saw on you tube for myself, you know like a real fighting gym.
this is insane to me, i don't speak greek, italian, or whatever, but can anyone from those regions with experiences in the anarchist scene tell me why anarchists there seem less like pussies? is it like real poor workers over there, like you know the typical construction dudes, and men, whereas in the USA its mostly college students and wealthy kids?
and being a dumbass edgelord doesn't mean you're tough and it doesn't change the culture of the left for the better, now you just have a bunch of pussies who can use offensive langauge. what changes?
>>2842999Actually I'm white, but
>>2842623 is right. Come to think of it, 85% of leftists I meet that actually know how to fight and don't break down in tears over slight critique, are in fact, not white.
You are racist. You support trump. If your success depends on either the elimination or emotional support of people you exploit and oppress, then you are doomed to fail.
>>2842999It doesn't matter. Compared to everyone else, he was the most masculine, tough guy the left had to offer. That's why I think Graham Platner is such a big deal right now despite all the controversies, he's a left-wing guy who actually comes across as a man.
>meanwhile in the USA right wing culture is ingrained into combat sports. I've been to leftist gyms in the USA and, they're doing good things in the USA but it doesn't seem like hardened fightersNot just in the US, all fighters are basically either religious, traditionalist, conservative, nationalist and or something similar. They all support right-wing populist politicians and dictators.
>this is insane to me, i don't speak greek, italian, or whatever, but can anyone from those regions with experiences in the anarchist scene tell me why anarchists there seem less like pussies? is it like real poor workers over there, like you know the typical construction dudes, and men, whereas in the USA its mostly college students and wealthy kids?Don't know about Italy, but Greece and Turkey basically have the last really active, truly militant (not just protest-oriented) leftist scenes in Europe. The Greek Revolutionary Struggle movement lasted into the 2000s and the PKK was still carrying out violent actions in the 2010s. Turks and Greeks also made up the overwhelming majority of leftist volunteers for the YPG. Most of the other Western leftists(the ones who weren't part of actual Military's) were basically there for PR and grunt work.
>>2843107
The wing of the Greek Anarchist milieu that does the spectacular actions, does the street stuff and gets the headlines however is not particularly working class.
>>2843114>Elaborate.>i doubt this is true.- The parents of Alexandros Grigoropoulos were a bank manager and business owner.
- Giannis 'the Syntagma archer' Michailidis, as an example of a lot of these guys, was a student who moved into full time street activism, explicitly rejecting working and organizing for power through the working class.
- Pola Roupa and Nikos Maziotis both follow the above trajectory, with also their parents being whilst working class technically, firmly in the Professional-managerial Class of the working class. The former also coming from a Marxist partisan family, this is also an aspect, of people who come from far-left resistance families, and generations of urban guerrillas.
For lots of these people it is not toiling that lays bare capitalism for them. It is intellectual and tradition pursuit. I don't have a big issue with it,
even if i do recognize serious structural flaws coming from this, i just don't see the point in pretending otherwise.
>>2843143This is what i expected leftists who organize heavily are most of them are more educated and come from the upper strata of the working class even most marxist leninists in history. it's really a middle class idealogy. people who grow up with parents who have limited or no jobs, dont have time to think about big ideas 24/7 they are in survive mode. its usually people that come from bluecollar families with nice union jobs, or upper managerial posistions that become leftists. more poor people become right wing, believe it or not.
this is my last post here before going back, dont worry mods. IM OUT. it's been fun. keep calm, and remember
fuck juche,
fuck anarchism >>2843152The only ones who larp are ANTIFA, as
>>2843143 seen here. but im not about to start shit with a bunch of unhinged baal worshippers who protect worshipppers of a tiny dicked dear leader. good luck with your space, we'll be at /pol/ if you have any questions for real men.
antifa and anarchists are larpers and an embarrassment to the Marxist tradition
>>2843194Stop posting on /pol/ you fucking idiots. you don't want to open that can of worms. let bygones be bygones. one fucking post on /pol/ mocking us or claiming your stupid ideologies and we will all flood here, and making our anti juche posts look like normal discussion in comparison to what comes your way. the juchetifa idiots are the ones who started getting our accounts mass banned first, so fuck off and stop telling people /pol/ is a glowie up. leftypol is the real ZOGGERS, shut the fuck up Anarcho Juche Cultists, go back to your hole, you fucking faggot baal worshiping ANTIFA Jewish tweakers are now posting threads on /pol/. You Are the zog. You fight for the rights of immigrants and rape gangs to displace and murder the culture of workers in your nation. You are not communists, you are identity politicians who love to virtue signal. stay in your little leftyhole and stay away from us. you're not going to fish for information there its air tight theyll just flame you in ways leftypol cant flame us. so fucking go ahead i dare you. make your retarded anti-christ juche posts and see what the fuck happens if you try to brigade and confuse /pol/. we have suffered far more than you larpers!
>>2843194This x1000
>>2843237Baby need a bottle?
i like how op implies mls know they're too larpy to even be worth throwing in jail
>>2848025Why the fuck would you find and bump a week old thread to say absolutely nothing?
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