The cycle of marxist-leninism
>First Kill all other types of marxists
>Then start killing other marxist-leninists
>Then start killing the working class
>Then sell out to liberalism and capitalism.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>2838639Mods please kill this OP
>>2838641You are falsifiers and another mistake.
Bordiga, not Trotsky, has been vindicated.
>>2838667>MOOOOOOOODS PLEASE BAN OP, I CAN'T HANDLE A JOKE, ONLY MY MEME TENDENCY IS ALLOWED TO SMEAR ANARKIDDIES PLS MODS PLS I CAN'T HANDLE THIS ANYMO-ACKStalinkiddies are the most sensitive special-snowflakes behind their veneer of toughness.
>>2838778Just wait until they're in power and you can be executed for that joke. How right will you be then?
a thread died for this (nb)
>>2839440Give the man a break he was clearly mentally deficient.
>>2839440Stalin has been dead and buried 60+ years ago
>>283944573 years
>>2839440I love 2020 hindsight armchair generaling the mid 20th century. i hate the real movement
>>2839440Israel was supported by anti-imperialists. Common L for multi-polarists.
>>2839452He killed Bukharin
>>2839009Are you talking about signing a pact with the Nazis and telling the French Communist Party to not fight against Nazi occupiers until 1941? Because that's what Stalin did. At least the rank-and-file members were ferocious once the reverse order has been given, but Stalin was not part of them.
>>2839005It doesn't matter as long as I live rent free in these memesters' heads.
>inb4 idealismLiving rent free in someone's head is a physical phenomenon consisting of neurological electrochemical connections between neurons within a brain.
>>2838778They really are the right wing of leftism
>>2839455>[Stalin] killed BukharinThe dude who wanted to make the USSR market socialist even before Khrushchev?
The dude that would've had USSR overthrown by Nazi Germany if his BS rightist line would've been implemented over collectivization, nationalization, hyper-industrialization?
"OoOh NoOo!"DSA, GO AWAY! >>2838639must not gigaquote
>>2839440Antistalinists still feverishly spreading this misinformation, in a desperate attempt to link all things bad and all things they don't like to Stalin (read to communism), is absolutely disgusting. Deflecting blame for the creation of Israel from the obvious perpetrators of the british empire and european colonialism, to the USSR which was barely involved at all, let alone "responsible" for the creation of israel. Fuck trotskyists, leftcoms, anarchists. Anticommunist chauvinists, the lot of them
>>2839532Ah yes all comrades who participated in 1917 and the civil war were just fascists and opportunists. How convenient
>>2839539Keep defending the bureaucracy's best man. The guy betrayed the international working class.
>>2838639Clearly didnt kill enough people.
>First Kill all other types of marxists
It was actually the other way around. All the other "Marxists" started trying to kill them first for the unforgivable crime of actually carrying out a successful revolution.
Pannekoek was right
>>2839847Exploitation, surplus value, bourgeoisie, class rule, class struggle. Exploitation, surplus value, bourgeoisie, class rule, class struggle. Exploitation, surplus value, bourgeoisie, class rule, class struggle.
>>2839772> yes all comrades who participated in 1917 and the civil war were just fascists and opportunists. How convenientYou mean, "comrades" who openly were saying that the capitalist MUST TAKE POWER in order for socialism to happen some day in the future? Trotsky said the same kind of shit, didn't you know?
>>2840729And you know, WHY nobody of social-democratic inclination ever has such talking points and ideas like the ones they had in 1917? Because Bolsheviks discredited those ideas by building a socialist state, lmao.
>>2840726Pic rel must have been created by trot ai then
>>2840729Stalin gave support to the provisional government. The revolution would've been doomed if wasn't for Lenin and Trotsky.
>>2840733Lenin explicitly says that the USSR can't achieve socialism without revolution in Western or Central Europe THOUGH, even after the October happening
>>2840769ok grandpa let's get you to bed
>>2840768It's almost like socialism in one country doesn't work specially with Russia's backward conditions
>>2840769>antistalinists are nazisStalin literally collaborated with nazis
>>2840770Look at how he recoils and lashes out. He knows it's true
>>2840772Stalin killed nazis and destroyed nazi germany, any "collaboration" was in service of that, which is why both the nazis and you despise him with passion. You hold the same desires
>>2840805>The bureaucracyYou mean the party? Which included Lev in the highest channels at the time? Odd that he had the opportunity to vote him out when Joe offered to resign in 1925 after the testament, but didn't for some reason. Pretty sloppy of Ol' Lev
<It is said that in that “will” Comrade Lenin suggested to the congress that in view of Stalin’s “rudeness” it should consider the question of putting another comrade in Stalin’s place as General Secretary. That is quite true.
<Yes, comrades, I am rude to those who grossly and perfidiously wreck and split the Party. I have never concealed this and do not conceal it now. Perhaps some mildness is needed in the treatment of splitters, but I am a bad hand at that.
<At the very first meeting of the plenum of the Central Committee after the Thirteenth Congress I asked the plenum of the Central Committee to release me from my duties as General Secretary. The congress itself discussed this question. It was discussed by each delegation separately, and all the delegations unanimously, including Trotsky, Kamenev and Zinoviev, obliged Stalin to remain at his post.
<What could I do? Desert my post? That is not in my nature; I have never deserted any post, and I have no right to do so, for that would be desertion. As I have already said before, I am not a free agent, and when the Party imposes an obligation upon me, I must obey.
<A year later I again put in a request to the plenum to release me, but I was again obliged to remain at my post. What else could I do?>>2840808Stalinists understand this, Trots are too high on great man theory to realize
>>2840810Case and point. It's actually the opposite
>>2840810100% truthclear bomb.
>>2839772if stalin did anything wrong it was love too much and trust too easily.
sorry trot, but stalin didn't kill bukharin, he got himself killed by doing stupid reckless counterrevolutionary shit, getting caught, and having no defense when the party investigated him.
>>2840772>>2840764>>2840805westoid trots slander stalin like the west didn't support hitler as an anti communist invader. like henry ford wasn't paid compensation every time an allied bomber stuck one of his tank factories in nazi germany, like prescott bush's oil refineries in nazi germany weren't excluded from being bombed until the red army was days from capturing them, like the coca cola company didn't invent fanta to keep selling sugar water, like IBM didn't manufacture the computers that tracked the work camp prisoners in the holocaust, like nazi chemists, engineers, and physicists weren't spirited out of internment to white picket fences in the usa, like D-Day wasn't staged to block the red army from clean sweeping fascism off the entite continent and liberating the entire world.
the westoid is in a mote and beam scenario where the molotov-ribbentrop pact, a deal made to buy time and get tooled up btw, absolves the west of all its collaboration with nazis before and after the war. it's no wonder, these spiritual liberals see hitler cut a christ like figure whose death washed the blood from the hands of european colonial empires.
>>2841492This cope image cant even try to justify the signing of the pact so it can only try to deflect to other parties.
>>2841493the other parties being the colonial powers that supported fascism against communism? are you retarded?
>>2841756and what dickhead? where do you think you are?
>>2841794"The sucking off the corpse of dead dictators to cope with the sorry state of communism in the 21st century" club
>>2841799lmao, fuck off back to the anti communist communist club with the rest of the trots and libs
>>2840769not an antistalinist but i don't think WW2 victory is what they're upset about. that's a pretty lazy strawman of them. their objections to stalin seem to center around a series of misunderstandings they have about the purges, the molotov ribbentrop pact, etc.
i am neither "stalinist" nor "antistalinist" because stalin found both to be cringe. Stalin's whole thing was "please be communist and stop letting me live rent free in your head"
>>2841493i am the one who posted the "cope" image. the goal here is not to justify the signing of the pact (which as a strategy failed since the nazizs betrayed it anyway and launched operation barbarossa). the goal of the image is to show that it was the CPSU's last resort, not its first resort. This runs contrary to how the history of the pact is usually presented by liberal historians, i.e. as stalin being in love with hitler because they were both hecking authoritarians who hated democracy. it is important to combat that history even if the pact ultimately failed strategically.
>>2842050the slander just doesn't hold water given the context of soviet underdevelopment and nazi aggression. losurdo's book western marxism gives a rundown of all the awful shit western imperial powers did in the periphery in the lead up to ww2 and it's sickening. for whatever reason we get a steady stream of flogs from history 101 that want to litigate soviet standoff policy.
we've had this exact thread on a weekly basis and it always goes the same way.
>>2841493tell us, Genius Anon, what would you have done if you were in the USSR's shoes?
>>2842445Literally just not sign the pact.
>>2841860Make me bitch lmao
>>2842757mhm. and what do you think that would do to the Nazis' inevitable "invade the USSR" timeline? would it hasten it or would it delay it?
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