What's the solution to the problem she explains in the video? The western left is not simply doomed but the problem posed by having a CIA approved version of marxism mudding the waters needs to be solved somehow.
>>2839147
>just redistribute the kulak's grain
<he burns down the field
>just redistribute the west's stolen loot
<they nuke the planet
>>2839163
drink yourself to death, you wreck this place every day. just fuck off to pol.
>>2839177
you'll be much happier with your own kind on 4pol
r/leftcom thread
Kind of amusing that not a single soul is talking about the video
>>2839275Ok I watched it. Yes of course the CIA tried to neutralise the western left and succeeded in some ways, but the solution isn't just to mindlessly regurgitate Stalinist propaganda either.
If there's ever going to be a revolution in the west, it will necessarily be couched in the language of democracy, popular power, freedom, etc. Not DOTP or similar larp terms.
>If there's ever going to be a revolution in the west, it will necessarily be couched in the language of democracy, popular power, freedom, etc. Not DOTP or similar larp terms.
Is this a parody of how redditors talk and I'm too autistic to get it?
>>2839316sorry no, it's my actual real opinion, would you like to engage with it?
>>2839330
well that is the question isn't it, a short example might be to say 'how is it "freedom" for some to work their whole lives to support those who have never worked a day in their lives just because of what they inherited from their parents? where is the "freedom" in dying from a preventable disease because you can't afford to go to the doctor?' but you aren't going to get anywhere by being like "freedom is actually bad, there is only the iron law of dialectical materialism". You need to work with the language people understand.
>>2839335
in the USSR they used all this tired old language but it didn't stop them becoming utterly revisionist, in fact I would say it actually helped since it obfuscated what socialism actually is.
>>2839159Saaarr it was the kulaks saaarr
>>2839301>Not DOTP or similar larp terms.Those are technical terms used to describe the situation. The word "Dictatorship" has bad connotations these days but it used to be more neutral. Of course we should not use it rhetorically for people who only know the negatives and don't have context. But communists should be fine with such terms.
>muh CIA
It's the excuse of the lazy, who don't want to do the necessary work.
It's the cope of the weak-minded, who can't stand dissenting ideas on the left.
>>2839347I mean I understand it used to not sound as bad but I think it's kind of pointless to even use it at all, even among communists. It doesn't even really mean anything. Just say 'the worker's government' or whatever, it's equally vague.
>the U$ government wasted millions in propaganda and whatever
>ergo, the reason the epic revolushun hasnt happened yet is because of the realm of ideas and communism must be fought debating and convincing le masses (class, anybody?)
kill yourself for another dogshit retarded e-celeb thread
>>2839352yeah the bolsheviks famously never tried to convince anyone, the revolution just magically happened one day.
>>2839354did i say they convinced 100% of the population fucktard? but they did in fact put effort into spreading the world, sent educated people to remote villages to explain what socialism is, etc. also they obviously convinced enough people to actually stage a coup of kerensky.
>>2839356>did i sayno because you arent saying anything intelligible because you are a subhuman mouthbreather lol. all that shit about "the real movement" flies over your peanut sized brain because you genuinely believe communism is about enlightening the uneducated "masses" holy shit LMAO
but whatever makes you feel you are doing praxis or w/e because you reposted some retarded video on social media
>>2839357please explain what you are doing to build 'the real movement'?
>>2839356>sent educated people to remote villages to explain what socialism islike lmfao it does not get more retarded than this, amerilards still trying to copy the ussr 1:1 in the big 2026 are especially stupid and arrive at the most mongoloid of conclusions
nothing says class struggle like academics getting paid by the government to teach peasants in bumfuck nowhere about le epic socialism. what the fuck does class even mean to you? seriously kill yourself asap
< That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies. I cannot see how you can speak of the ignorance of the masses in Germany after the brilliant evidence of political maturity shown by the workers in their victorious struggle against the Anti-Socialist Law. The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check. < The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm >>2839358That guy is a retarded leftcom who thinks communism will happen magically if socialists just sit back and do nothing.
>>2839358unlike you retard i dont care about trying to convince someone so utterly stupid whos most definitely politically inert anyway. maybe you could of gotten that from me sarcastically talking about the ""masses"" (populist slop). uygha doesnt even understand the most basic shit about communism, how its a necessity to the *proletariat*, blah blah. seriously, stop posting
>>2839364why even post if you refuse to engage with anyone on anything. you have a personality disorder.
>>2839364Explain it in your own words without those of the father of zionism
>>2839364Communism can’t be a necessity of the proletariat when it’s also the abolition of the proletariat
>>2839364BPDemon coded post
>>2839142The solution is socialist material success. Westerners are way more flexible than what people give them credit for, as you can see today with westerners basically saying that China is more advanced than them 24/7. Leftists are ironically quite jingoistic, at least the liberal and "libertarian" kinds. This comes from regular people, tech consumers, influencers, CEOs, some of them even on the right. Yes, westerners have their own angloid culture that is rather obsessed with inconsequential bullshit in a very gaslighting and dishonest way (Popper is a good example), but they are people. It's easy to forget now, but the entire western intellectual world had accepted that socialism is a perfectly valid system that at the very least has as much to contribute as their own until it started shitting the bed with marketl-oriented "decentralizing" reforms of the Khrushchev era going forward.
who is she anyway?
>>2839368<uhhh how can communism be the movement of the proletariat that seeks to abolish all classes if there will be no classes?????>feeling smart after posting this retardationdo you think people disappear when they cover their face too
>>2840053That’s still a contradiction no matter how you slice it
>>2840058>why would the proletariat want to stop being the underclass of capitalist society by abolishing said societyits only a contradiction if you are a braindead ape lol
>>2840062The proletariat are not the underclass of society lmao
>>2840064please explain who is
>>2839352>>2839354>>2839357>>2839362>>2839364The final boss of It's Not My Job to Educate You
>>2840075
"Lumpen nation" would imply that they live off the handouts of the "proletarian nations".
>>2840075
define "lumpen"
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