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We all hate Elon Musk because he wields immense political power and has exploited the labor of thousands of workers, but is there such a thing as an “ethical rich”? What would happen to YouTubers, singers, and artists during a revolution? Technically, they don’t harm anyone, could someone in a socialist state become wealthy by excelling in art, music, or generally creating something that others really enjoy?

The problem isn't being rich, it's living off of explotation, it's the parasite lifestyle.
Streamers and such are more like beggars, they speak into a mic and try to be funny in exchange for money. They're monkeys and clowns and I do not say this trying to be offensive, but it's true.

Singers and lots of artists live off of royalties which is very bourg-pilled since they're living off of intellectual property. Not exactly means of production I know, but at that point theyre not living off of their work. Either way, even such people can be ethical if they become class traitors.

Imagine a guy becomes a billionare and starts secretly funding Maoist militias in south america. Such a person would be the only ethical billionare in the world.

>>2839692
>Streamers and such are more like beggars, they speak into a mic and try to be funny in exchange for money
This makes a lot of sense, we can't stop people from wasting their money, giving it to streamers or their favorite internet influencer, if they want to make that choice, I don't see why we should stop them.

Even somebody who got rich from stuff they made, e.g. JK Rowling or Paul McCartney, is in the end actually getting that money from rent-seeking. They own some intellectual property and extract surplus value from the labor of the people who are continuing to work making stuff tied to that IP. Whether that's merchandise or distribution of the media or roadies and bookies setting up the show or whatever. Nobody makes anything close to a billion dollars "ethically" as in without that money coming from exploiting people.

>>2839711
You don't have to give them money, anon.
There is no coercion; there is no exploitation.

>What would happen to YouTubers, singers, and artists during a revolution?

Is this a joke? This is you go-to when thinking about 'ethical richness'? Entertainment literally one some of the most predatory industries there is, just one step removed from the sex industry. Do you suffer from some kind of weird parasocial attachment or something or are you just a naive zoomer who grew up on youtube?

>>2839723
>Pewdiepie is basically a rapist because people like him playing games
mental illness

>>2839724
>let's pick the one streamer who didn't groom a fa-WAIT what's that? He met his current wife when she was still a minor and was a fan of his videos and then when she turned 18 she immediately moved to another country and abandon a family

That's pretty fucked up bro, should have picked another example.

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I hate Elon because he uses his wealth and power to be unbelievably cringe and annoying. The day he finally offs himself and/or gets offed will be a happy day
> What would happen to YouTubers, singers, and artists during a revolution?
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>>2839725
It was a heated gamer moment.

>>2839724
>>2839725
>>2839728
It's always pretty fucking amusing when people insist that the entertainment industry and the sex industry are somehow totally separate worlds, as though the history of entertainment wasn't one long parade of patronage, exploitation, scandal, commodified desire, and people selling access to attention.

You are coping and engaging in a denial requires a level of historical amnesia that's honestly impressive.

Let's start with basic analysis, from a simple observation: under capitalism, labor and bodies become commodities. Entertainment is the business of packaging personality, appearance, charisma, intimacy, fantasy, and desire for consumption. The sex industry does the same thing. The difference is often one of degree, branding, legality, and cultural prestige rather than some actual hard ontological boundary.

For centuries, actors themselves occupied an ambiguous social position. Respectable society loved consuming performances while simultaneously treating performers as morally suspect. The old joke that actors were merely "the aristocracy of prostitution" wasn't invented by internet edgelords, you know. Variations of the phrase circulated for generations because people recognized that both professions involved selling performances of intimacy, emotion, attraction, and identity to an audience with money.

The overlap is everywhere if you're willing to look. Early theater. Vaudeville. Hollywood. The music industry. Modeling. Television. Beauty peagants. Influencer culture. Streaming. YouTube. Every generation rediscovers the same old pattern: a handful of stars at the top, a mass of precarious workers underneath, powerful gatekeepers controlling access, and endless scandals involving exploitation, coercion, abuse, grooming, or predatory behavior.

YouTube and streaming didn't abolish these dynamics they industrialized them. The platform economy monetizes parasocial relationships at a scale previous generations could only dream of. Creators are encouraged to transform more and more of their private lives, personalities, relationships, bodies, and sexuality into content. Fans are encouraged to feel personally connected. Platforms take a cut. Advertisers take a cut. Agencies take a cut. The laborer bears the risk.

The Marxist argument isn't that every entertainer is secretly a sex worker, which is a mischaracterization. The point is that both industries operate within a broader economy of commodified attention and desire. They exist on a continuum. The same incentives that produce clickbait, parasocial manipulation, exploitative contracts, and child-star disasters also produce sexual exploitation. They're products of the same system.

And when critics point to the endless trail of grooming allegations, casting-couch stories, abusive managers, predatory producers, exploitative talent houses, influencer scandals, and streamer controversies, the response is often, "Those are just isolated incidents."

Sure. So isolated that they've been recurring continuously for hundreds of years across theater, film, music, television, and digital media.

At some point, when the "exception" becomes a permanent feature of the industry, it stops being an exception.

The real mystery isn't why entertainment and the sex industry overlap so often. The real mystery is why people keep pretending they don't.

>>2839652
>What would happen to YouTubers, singers, and artists during a revolution?

we take their property away if needed, otherwise nothing

>Technically, they don’t harm anyone, could someone in a socialist state become wealthy by excelling in art, music, or generally creating something that others really enjoy?


in my opinion no, if you are inclined towards creative fields, you can go and study a creative degree, during that time your bills are paid by the state (just like all students), you should use that time to create your works and become successful, you put your works online on the state run 'media' application, this tells the state and you how many people are downloading/viewing/etc your works, if this reaches some kind of threshold, you then don't have to work a regular job and can spend your time creating new works (which if they remain popular, you stay a creative, and so on). if your works aren't popular enough you go and work a regular job and can still make art in your free time, if you then get popular enough you become a creative.

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>>2839652
>but is there such a thing as an “ethical capitalism”?
no

>>2839736
>if people are entertained by you, you are a rapist
we get it - now stop yapping.

Most millionaires / billionaires / trillionaires frankly deserve the bullet for their behaviour.
Really we need a wealth cap.
The few that don't deserve execution get a plaque saying they won at capitalism and 100% of all income over a certain threshold should go to the state / be redistributed.

jesus christ figured this out a few thousand years ago, mark 10:25

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>>2839652
> is there such a thing as an “ethical rich”
it's called being a class traitor

>>2839837
>wealth cap
that's a reform. you would allow class society to continue as long as there was an arbitrary cutoff. but the ruling class would never allow such a reform to be passed.

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>>2839652
I did math two days ago and
since Elon Musk is a trillionaire now he has about $576.60 for every second he has been alive.


according to the bourgeoisie and their bootlickers, that means he works harder in 1 second than the third worlders who live on 1 dollar a day mining cobalt work in an entire year.

Clearly, Elon earned every dollar by innovating (crashing rocket ships) creating jobs (causing problems) and taking on risk (gambling with subsidies) or something. most efficient system.

ethical rich… Engels, Jenny Marx, etc…

>>2839652
>muh elon
Personalism

>>2839652
There’s a level of wealth inequality that is inevitable in even the strictest egalitarian command economy. It’s not bad to get rewards for working harder/more expeditiously, but it has to be done so with guardrails, and must be strictly merit based.

Frankly a wealth cap seems like a dumb solution, we should just have a tax system so exponentially progressive that it becomes functionally impossible to gain into the billions of dollars. Holy shit there are so many avenues the government still has open to be able to plunder these bastards fortunes it would be too easy with real power in America. Too bad that only comes from the barrel of a gun.

>>2839736
This is nonsensical because your logic would apply to any workplace a d its politics. If you are a prole, you are exploited, it is that simple.

>>2841013
he's a good focus for agitprop because he has 577 dollars for every second he's been alive. like literally try to corner someone and ask if it's possible to earn that through hard work. ask them in front of a room of people. if they try to justify it they will just look like a stupid ass bootlicker.


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