Why are Western bourg so incredibly invested in protecting Israel? At some point it’s hard for me to believe they have this much to gain from protecting this tiny sliver of land. What the fuck is going on?
It's their base of operations and permanent fixture in the contested region of the middle east. They need israel and israel needs them. A nice little symbiotic relationship of evil
Because they were blackmailed by Epstein
israel is (or at least used to be, not sure where that's gonna go) useful for maintaining a balance of power in the middle east by cucking egypt, turkiye, and iran from securing dominance over the region and potentially nationalizing the resources or withholding them as leverage. controlling israel and keeping it reliant on western arms also means they are limited in their capacity to start a regional war that would destabilize the countries around it to the point where the oil would stop flowing.
Palestine Action found a way to attack the military industrial complex that was broadly popular with the british public (hence why they kept on getting acquitted).
>>2840794Most western politicians are bought and paid by Israel. I'm sure judges etc are too.
An answer to this that lots of people ignore sadly is incumbency bias - at this point, an entire generation of civil servants, politicians, journalists, military officers etc are, via supporting Israel via their obedience to the US and NATO (into which Israel is stitched as a sort of adjunct to non-negotiable westoid Atlanticist politics) *already guilty of complicity in war crimes*. Nobody *ever* admits to that and they are not going to allow a process to take place that ends with them being up before the dock. And people who work under them know that it won't be good for their careers to be seen to support that sort of outcome. And this bias is so fundamental that it doesn't need to be explained by muh lobby money or whatever. They are fighting to protect themselves from gaol at some point in the future. That is where the absolute fanaticism comes from. The way some people carry on, in contrast, you'd think that the really nice friendly people of…the British elite…would all be pro-Palestinian and anti-genocide if only it wasn't for the lobby or whatever. No, these people, by the virtue of working in the British state as it was assisting Israel, which is a position that has been so sort of inherited and inbuilt for generations now, have just in the background been part of something horrendous. The lobby stuff lies on top of this, as it were, not as the foundation to it.
>>2840804Honestly I don't think 'tail wags dog' or 'dog wags tail' is a useful way to explain the western-Israeli relationship - it neither controls the west nor is it a colony entirely doing the bidding of the west - it is a regional ally that has its own dynamics and behaves frequently in ways that the west finds really difficult and destabilising but which it won't give up.
>>2840802This is cope. It isn't the causal feature behind all of this. It may help, to the extent that it happened, but "just get rid of Epstein and his friends liberate us from the pedo Mossad agents" is evasion and I suspect it will be used in the future literally by people who were complicit in Israeli war crimes in the US administration to try to claim diminished capacity - "oh what could we do Israel controls us"
>>2840994<Because they were blackmailed by Epstein>This is cope.It's a straightforward and logical answer with mountains of evidence to back it up.
>>2841010Can you show me the evidence that related judges and advisors etc were blackmailed by epstein?
What
>>2840987 says seems far more likely from what i know about the british state and civil service.
Has anyone ever lost their job for criticizing Taiwan, South Korea, Saudia Arabia, or Germany?
>>2841166Ask Joseph McCarthy
>>2841166Ask Jamal Khashoggi
>>2840794because if israel dies all the israelis will go back to europe.
>>2840794because the entire structure of their economy is based on petroleum and israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier at the biggest maritime chokepoint in the world within single flight refuel distance of most of the worlds refineries and wells.
its losing its significance but it allowed america to take over the world from the british and stop capitalism from collapsing in the 73 oil shock, switch off the gold standard to fiat and survive another 50 years beyond its due date resulting in it outlasting the soviet union
thats a pretty fucking big deal
>>2841193>its losing its significance but it allowed america to take over the world from the british and stop capitalism from collapsing in the 73 oil shock, switch off the gold standard to fiat and survive another 50 years beyond its due date resulting in it outlasting the soviet unionWait what the fuck? You're saying the Arab world uniting and forming an oil cartel against America was good for America? What the fuck?
https://www.nli.org.il/en/newspapers/cgs/1951/10/18/01/article/13>>2840794Read James Forrestal, he explained how they took over America from before Israel existed and how they would destroy this country in short order. All the information was always out there. Everyone knew how this would end.
>Forrestal Diaries Reveal Late Secretary's Rabid Anti-Zionism, Disregard For U.S. Jews
>New York, (JTA) — Publication this week of extracts of the diaries kept by the late James Forrestal as Secretary of Defense revealed part of the story of the bitter fight within the United States Government on Palestine policy during the crucial days during which the United Nations was debating the fate of the Holy Land.
>Forrestal, the diaries disclose, was intensely active in the question and his activities, according to Walter Millis and E.S. Duffield, editors of the diaries, sprang at bottom from his sense of the immense strategic significance of the Middle East. They took the form of seeking to lift the Jewish Palestine question out of politics. That Forrestal felt intensely on the Palestine question is shown in his diaries. He complained bitterly that Democratic Party policy on the issue was dictated by the fact that Jews were large contributors to the party campaign funds and he went so far as to charge that the Zionists were putting their Palestine interest above the security of the United States. Funds In Question
>In his diary notation of Sept. 4, Forrestal reported that Postmaster General Hannegan had raised the question of President Truman making a statement of policy on Palestine with reference to the entry of 150,000 Jews into Palestine. He quoted Hannegan as saying he didn't want to press for a decision but wanted to point out such a statement would have a very great influence and great effect on the raising of funds for the Democratic National Committee.
>Forrestal replied to this, according to the diary extracts, that the President's remarks on Palestine of a year ago did not have the anticipated effect in the New York election. (It was added) that the President was prompted to make the statement by Rabbi (Abba Hillel) Silver, who was neither a Democrat nor friendly to Truman, and said that the net effect of the President's observation was to make the British exceedingly angry.
>Forrestal also went directly to President Truman on the issue, the diaries disclose, but found the President skeptical. He told Senator (now Attorney General) McGrath that the Palestine-Jewish question was similar to the Eire-Irish question of 40 years ago and that neither should be permitted to have any substantial influence on American policy.
>According to the editors, Forrestal derived several points from the McGrath conversation, chief of which was that Jewish sources were responsible for a substantial part of the contributions to the Democratic National Committee and many of these were made with a distinct idea on the part of the givers that they will have the opportunity to express their views and have them seriously considered on such questions as the present Palestine question. Notes Dissatisfaction
>He also noted Jewish dissatisfaction with the American attempts to secure support for the Palestine partition resolution in the U.N. General Assembly and added that this was precisely what the State Department wanted to avoid; that we had gone a very long way, indeed, in supporting partition and that proselytizing for votes and support would add to the already serious alienation of Arabian good will.
>After the General Assembly had voted for partition, Forrestal noted a conversation with the then Under Secretary of State Robert A. Lovett whom he quoted as saying that he had never in his life been subject to as much pressure as he had been in the three days prior to the General Assembly vote. He said that Herbert Bayard Swope and Robert Nathan had been among those who had importuned him. He added that the zeal and activity of the Jews had almost resulted in defeating the objectives they were after.
>Under date of Feb. 3, 1948, Forrestal noted a meeting with Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr., in which the Defense Secretary charged the Zionists with subordinating the national security of the United States. "I was forced to repeat to him what I said to Sen. McGrath in response to the latter's observation that our failure to go along with the Zionist might lose the states of New York, Pennsylvania and California—that I thought that it was about time that somebody should pay some consideration to whether we might not lose the United States," the diary noted.Unfortunately he died under mysterious circumstances.
>>2841198>You're saying the Arab world uniting and forming an oil cartel against America was good for America? they lost didnt they? most of opec is controlled by america today isn't it?
they are running the play again w some changes and its working tho. as the resistance says: we live in sinwars world now
It's a bit of an exaggeration to say this is a characteristic of the entire "Western" bourg. The three countries where its most pronounced are America, Britain, and Germany. In the first two cases its a result of large scale Zionist influence in electoral politics, the product of nearly a century (or more in the case of Britain) of tireless organizing, lobbying, and agitation by Zionist activists in those countries. Britain was the initial target of such efforts because they conquered Palestine after WW1, and the US because they were the world hegemon after WW2. Both also had large Jewish populations. In Germany it likely has to do with a national psychosis brought on by trying to atone for Nazism. Or perhaps more accurately, a kind of performative philosemitism that serves to obscure the high degree of continuity between the Third Reich and the FRG. Outside of these countries the governments are of course pro-Zionist, but to a less extreme degree that simply reflects the alignment of Zionism with Western imperialism. It typically doesn't rise to the level of mass hysteria and psychosis you see in the US, UK, and Germany.
>>2841193but why does it have to be full of jew nazis? they're so fucking creepy bro.
>>2840794For USA the reason is religious judeo-christianity and for western europe its historical guilt and about managing minority rights.
Because almost all western governments are bought out by Israeli and megacorp lobbies, or follow the diktats of America whose government is bought out by the Israeli and megacorp lobbies. In the latter’s case, it’s big tech. And big tech loves Israel not only because Silicon Valley is full of psychotic chuds with a god complex and thus see the Jews in terms of class solidarity wherein their hatred of the Palestinians is a diffusion of their hatred for the prole in general while the Jews are the bourgeois, but also because Israel is a tech hub between Asia and Europe, which is also why China massively trades with Israel. I mean, hello where do you think the various spywares used by governments Worldwide come from?
There’s also the fact that America is, well, a fucking ZOG. In this case, western support for Israel is also ideological, especially given how powerful Jewish lobbies are.
>>2840987>An answer to this that lots of people ignore sadly is incumbency bias - at this point, an entire generation of civil servants, politicians, journalists, military officers etc … Nobody *ever* admits to that and they are not going to allow a process to take place that ends with them being up before the dock. And people who work under them know that it won't be good for their careers to be seen to support that sort of outcome. And this bias is so fundamental that it doesn't need to be explained by muh lobby money or whatever … That is where the absolute fanaticism comes from. I think this is closer to the mark, although not so much a latent awareness of having been complicit in human rights abuses. It's more about status and Israel is also serving as a proxy for this struggle over recognition. Status is about who's respected in society and who's not. Status is related to class but it sits kind of orthogonal to it. So there's an entire generation of politicians, civil servants, journalists, military officers etc. who feel like they've "made it," and that they represent the center of society. It's relational to others and how they're seen and/or taken seriously and by whom. Also people who are trying to defend their status rarely say that's what they're doing, they'll say they're defending "civilization" or "common sense" or "tradition" or "morality" or something. Israel represents "civilization" and Hamas represents the "barbarians."
They feel insecure too because there's a lot of immigration from Muslim countries, and those immigrants and their kids don't rock with Israel, to put it mildly. But if you listened to any of Zohran Mamdani's speeches, he would articulate his candidacy for New York mayor as representing Uzben nurses and Senegelese cab drivers, people who are not "seen" or respected in any case. (That's also related to Graham Platner and the disgust some of his opponents in American society have for him, like establishment media and political types, even if Platner isn't really "working class" he looks like a "barbarian" to tastemakers.) This is also why you can get alt-right types who a few years ago were making antisemitic statements mutate into being pro-Israel guys, they exist, it's not a totally cynical maneuver, they really do feel threatened in some kind of way.
I'm not from the U.K., but also when I see people in a group like Palestine Action, they kind of look like Lollards to me. Just the vibe. Even if the people involved are totally secular now it's integrally sort of Christian in that they've chosen to renounce that kind of competition for lessons from the gospel about elevating the meek and poor.
>>2842034>They feel insecure too because there's a lot of immigration from Muslim countries, and those immigrants and their kids don't rock with IsraelLiterally nobody rocks with Israel. even in your picture as an example, the Solidarity orgs and so on up and down the country are full of young and old white people along with all other people. Notably they have been hating Israel, paradoxically oct7 probably increased sympathy for Israel compared to the levels before, i remember doing activism and etc around Cast Lead, my first real introduction to the topic, and even back then my parents would tell me how it's been so bad since they were my age.
Israel has never been popular here, this is a big part of why the media and state is so heavy handed on the issue. It's the whole reason they had to create the EDL, Tommy Ten Names and so on.
Leftards and baizuos worldwide will never admit to this, both because they don't read books and have mostly abandoned materialism, but also because the well has been poisoned beyond belief mostly by agents of zioninsm themselves and their greatest neo-nazi allies/useful idiots and they'd rather not be associated with that.
One of the strongest reasons for this is that the riches and fortunes of jewish banking dynasties are foundational to the current day west, a great number of western porkies are in their position because their allowed to be there by what's essentially a zionist mafia, else they'd get gatekept or worse. The zionist project is a not a colony of the west, it is a pet project of the masters of the western banking system and they've successfully recruited the top echelons of western haute society to their cause. Maybe the westards are mostly non-believers (but that may be changing) but they still have a material interest of protecting their standing in this system regardless of their personal views on the matter - and be honest, we all know they wouldn't be spared if justice ever comes to these issues, so the self-preservation angle is likely stronger for most of the elite as religious zeal is for the original creators of the idea.
>>2840804>israel is (or at least used to be, not sure where that's gonna go) useful for maintaining a balance of power in the middle east by cucking egypt, turkiye, and iran from securing dominance over the regionthis is so over
>>2870501
humans are dumb animal so calling people subhuman doesnt really insult them
"i took away your stupid monkey license"
get a grip jewish nigger
>Israel is an aircraft carrier
Wrong, doesn't even allow US or NATO military assets in it's borders.
>Israel is a close ally
Wrong, literally the Gulf States are closer allies. US politicians don't treat Australia and the UK in this bizarre bootlicking fashion despite being 100000x more important than Shitrael. Israel is also considered a severe security threat by Five Eyes intelligence, and wasn't even considered trustworthy in the CHIPs act.
>Israel has bought off politicians
Only partially correct, most of the elite still bootlick Israel even if they receive no money.
Real reason is
>Jews are the wealthiest demographic in the Western world by a huge margin, over 3x the median income, and make up over 30% of top Capitalist influence lists.
>Elite Jewish people sit on the most important parts of the Establishment, Big law, Finance, Media and Elite Social Networking clubs like Maccabeans, Lotos etc.
>Elite rich Jewish people are extremely organised, they act as a protection racket for themselves
>Most Non Jewish elites, will have social circles, business circles, etc dominated by Jewish people. How many Jewish people does the average American, Canadian, British, Australian person know? 0? 1? Yet you get Media and Establishment types always talking about how "Most of my friends are Jewish".
>Most non Jewish elites have Jewish people in their extended family, kids marry into etc.
>There is literally no benefit for going against Jewish biases, it will cost you business connections, get you blacklisted, colleagues will keep you at arms length etc.
>There is every benefit for being Shabbos goy, literally free connections, better deals etc.
You can see the same shit with like Mormons in Utah and other small highly connected religious/ethnic groups that squat on certain fields, Jewish people just played the game well and successfully did widespread institutional capture.
There is no other explanation for the Shabbos goy elite behaviour. Countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many European countries have no fucking connection to Israel at all in terms of economy or military, yet still bootlick Israel, because oh look at the top of their Business class, steins and bergs etc.
>>2842052I can't remember who, some (Jewish) historian, but the book was basically bragging how 80% of the Capitalist Class through Early Capitalism was Jewish.
Elders of the Protocols of Zion and Hitler poisoned the well on actually discussing this stuff, and sadly people just can't be fucking normal and realise that Jewish people are only taking advantage of what they can, if it was any other group say, Wahhabi Muslims, you would find all our entire Capitalist class and political class would be bootlicking them in the exact same way, and Wahhabi's would be acting in the same sort of bad faith crybully fashion.
I debate Jewish people a lot, (Fedora tipper) and they will often just straight up admit once they realise I've seen through all their talking points, and nobody else is reading, that because of "never again" they are justified in using any strategy or bad faith tactic there is, to crush any sort of opposition in their path.
They're all either Jewish or Christian Zionist. Even the ones who aren't make a lot of money from the Israeli tech, pharma, and weapons industries. It isn't that complicated actually. It isn't just DA JOOZ either
I don’t think it’s simple cash bribes or even sexual black mail at this point I think Mossad gives a call to every elected official and tells them they will get the jfk treatment if they step out of line
>>2840806Again it's just this anyone who is pretending it is anything more lacks sense.
>>2870927Yes, you see the same in how elites defended Epstein, MJ, Polanski, Weinstein etc for decades. They literally think that if rich people get held to any account, it's basically opening the doors to a Communist uprising. Only under unique circumstances do elites ever throw eachother under the bus.
The elite are very class conscious and have class solidarity.
>>2840794Ayn Rand, Milton friedman, Mises, David Ricardo, Rothbard were jewish. (the Arquitects of the Capitalist Dystopia we live today)
Overlapping interests of the various sections of the haute bourgeoisie. Some of whom are indeed Zionist ethnonationalists or white Christian shabbos goyim. Others are driven by a desire to see the Middle East dominated for American interests to which Israel is in fact a vehicle for that. The MIC of course, sees Israel as a major customer for their wunderwaffen. Even amongst the supposed "ideological" supporters of Israel, many are simply bought off by Israeli agents such as AIPAC. Take comfort in the fact that many of these supposed "jewish conspirators" do not actually desire Communism despite what fascists tell you. As
>>2871799 said. The ideological architects of our neoliberal anti-human hellscape are in fact Jewish Zionists.
>>2871815Yeah but Israel doesn’t actually buy weapons the us just gives it to them
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