Despite some of the inherited Leftist rhetoric, a lot of modern Leftoids and especially American ones, jfc, just come across as hating and despising most ordinary people. If you think they are irredeemably racist and sexist, patriarchal, white supremacist, contaminated with so many 'bad ideas' and the 'muck of ages' that they need to be 'deprogrammed' before they can begin to be part of your oh so effective attractive politics (lol), any notion that the Left is interested in, let alone capable of, helping to produce a mass workers' movement will just not be credible. If your party is full of people who are agoraphobic shut-ins who won't be told that if they want to be ultra radical activist whatevers then they need to speak to normal people and be marginally normal, then you'll be laughed at, and with good reason.
Normies look at the actually existing Left, what it claims for itself and what it claims to be wanting to do, the immense difficulty of it, and they laugh and they do not want to touch it, with their lack of time, money and energy, *and they are not wrong to do so*. It isn't (all) 'muh false consciousness'.
You cannot be seen as just a performatively radical subculture which despises, in practice, most normal people. You cannot fear populist politics because gasp you may have to rub shoulders with people with some dodgy and confused politics. That is the name of the game.
This is why griftoids like ACP get some of the credibility they do because at least they are willing to say the emperor has no clothes and not to just hate normal people.
This sentiment really is the dominant attitude of so much of the Left and it fizzes off so many of us all the time. And I hate it.
Just a vent. Needed to be said.
>inb4 "'normal' is white ableist heteronormative coded!" evasion as if people don't actually know the difference between acting like a shrieking subcultural clown and just being a normie
>>2840966
I'm not a /pol/tard lad and if you think that this exasperation (which I assure you is shared quietly between many if not most of the people in some of the most insufferably wokelord Leftoid organisations you can think of lol) makes me one, then you are NGMI
>>2840962The Jacobins always had elitist tendencies.
Well a lot of leftists here and on twitter are recovering reactionaries. To convince themselves that they're normal, they project their old views onto other proles rather than accept the fact that most people are left wing due to material conditions, and that they are themselves simply anomalies for falling for propaganda intended for bourgose and petit bourgoise people despite being proles.
>>2841788Its not just vanguardism, virtually any grassroots political organising is at its core about finding a group of dedicated likeminded people and then toggether attempt to herd the goycattle into desired direction.
>>2840962It's because I look down on the common people that I try so hard to help them. It would be like refusing to help a child.
"Serve the people" is a small capitalist slogan. I always hear it from hitlerites.
ACP is the turbo online org of shut in weirdos by excellence whose chairman is a streamer on record demanding the death or imprisonment of random groups of proles because of esoretic political takes, you couldn't have found a worst example to illustrate your point
>>2840962- there is no such thing as a "normie" anymore.
- the bigger problem with the left is that it can't understand that liberals are slow, wavering allies who haven't realised the stakes of the situation rather than enemies. most people who vote for right wing parties are pathological in some way. attempts to convert them are wasted effort when compared to attempts that could be made to reconcile all the forces set against them.
you can in fact just be a performatively radical subculture. this is secretly the most comfortable and natural position for the left. it is necessary, however, for someone to point out that liberals cannot continue to pretend it's the 1990s and that reasonable compromise with the right is necessary: stupid, nasty people who want a stupid nasty president/PM to implement stupid, nasty policy need to be bored out of politics and voting based entirely on what the economy is doing if you want to return to that situation or to a situation where things are at least not getting massively worse. the alternative to this is barbarism.
i will confess a certain elitism and a certain ageism, but only because voting for "kill everyone who isn't me" is strongly correlated with being old and undereducated. i can argue the merits of capitalism vs socialism with a liberal all day, but we're both working on a basically sane framework that's trying to maximise human flourishing. nothing of the sort can be done with a qanon cultist boomer who just wants to see sad brown faces being shepherded onto a deportation flight. we would both be happier in a world where neither of us has to think about the other existing, a world where they're bored and disengaged and i'm arguing about capitalism vs socialism with a nice liberal…
>Despite some of the inherited Leftist rhetoric, a lot of modern Leftoids and especially American ones, jfc, just come across as hating and despising most ordinary people
Almost all succesful revolutionaries from Robespierre to Lenin to ᴉuᴉlossnW despised the majority of their contemporaries and were right to do so. Many of them having evident elistist tendencies on top of it, CPSU intended to be meritocratic but it was not that radical egalitarian thing some people imagine, as being one would imply including common chud rabbles into your transformative project.
It is only bad because the left post-2008 interpretend "the common man" as "any straight white guy" and spent more than a decade waging a culture war against them on the behalf of feminists and brown strivers (both stabbed us in the back anyway btw).
The contemporary left is also not safe at from glazing "normal people" and is always at it's lowest and most uninspiring when it does. The left always strived by being obtuse elitists not by posting about how much you like sportsball and how reactionaries need to have a normal one about media/content.
>>2840962>If you think they are irredeemably >they need to be 'deprogrammed' These two statements contradict each other. If someone was "irredeemable", they could not be "deprogrammed"? So which do "leftoids" supposedly subscribe to? Or could it be that you're just trolling to sow even more unnecessary division?
>Normies look at the actually existing LeftNormies think "the left" is liberal capitalism, because that's what they've been brainwashed to believe. Their understanding is necessarily warped by the ruling ideas of the era which are controlled by the ruling class.
>You cannot fear populist politicsName one not completely irrelevant (aka not a random book club of 50 people) party/group that shies away from populist appeals, which, if they ever manage to gain traction, are always co-opted by the capitalists, because populism is necessarily radical enough to temporarily worry the status quo but not radical enough to actually meaningfully challenge its hegemony.
>>2841838>Women and minorities have been the reason the left has had any power at allTrue for the former, less for the latter.
>"Straight White guys" are the driving force of the reactionary movementAfter spending almost 20 years attacking them for completely delusional reasons.
>Why are White guys incapable of introspection?It's not about introspection, even progressive straight white guys were attacked. In fact they were the ones that got attacked the most by their "political allies".
Even the trans culture war is a logical followup of that mindset to some extant. Radfems and girldads just include transgenders as part of the scary white guys.
>>2841788The issue with capitalism IS PRECISELY that most people are as a matter of fact either politically disengaged or dumb cattle. It's a key characteristic of class society. Socialism's aim is precisely to change that by politically empowering workers by smashing the capitalist state, creating institutions through which workers can rule society, and liquidating class differences in the process. The politically motivated vanguard part serves a single purpose and its success means its self-liquidation.
>>2840962I mean, yeah, and 90% of leftypol are exactly these people
>>2841865
lol you’re angry that OP clocked you so now you’re trying to ragebait since you’re feeling defensive
>>2841865
>m-muh chaz
Did you time travel from 5 years ago?
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>>2841877
a true communist screams on an imageboard all day
>>2841877
Factory status?
>>2841885
Race war status?
>>2841885
I get my cabbage via the socialized productive forces of capitalism which the proletariat may take over in the event of socialist revolution. I put it into a nice soup the other day
>>2841814Nah but you don't get it, he's reactionary, that means he's a man of the true working class people, if you're actually left wing that means you're an ivory tower elitist.
>>2841891Educated workers? Bourgeois
Service workers? Bourgeois
LGBT workers? Bourgeois
Baristas? Shoot on sight
Small business owners? Now that's the true working class. Now if you'll excuse me I'll have to attend to my socialist businesses and rental properties before another trip to Russia
>>2841905
I spat on your mother the other day
>>2841905
You are an angry incel who puts words in people’s mouths all day in every thread because you’re angry that you’re too scared to do praxis IRL.
>>2841937Lenin said so bro
>>2840962Most eschatological movements and 'ideologies' (including much of online 'leftism') hate ordinary people. They're all dumb, filthy, hedonistic, ignorant sinful sheeple etc who should be cynically manipulated, used, sacrificed and exterminated in the name of the "greater good". (i.e. some apocalyptic hyperreal narrative compensating for socio and psychosexual insecurities)
Anyway ACP is led by freaks too. Most people just wanna grill, nothing ever happens etc.
>>2841846>After spending almost 20 years attacking them for completely delusional reasons.Literally just doubling down on not taking any responsibility. Literally reactionary.
>>2841846>It's not about introspection, even progressive straight white guys were attacked. In fact they were the ones that got attacked the most by their "political allies".And what are you doing right now?
>>2840962>>This is why griftoids like ACP get some of the credibility they do because at least they are willing to say the emperor has no clothes and not to just hate normal people.Haz doesn't do that. He is a lazy streamer who never worked a day in his life. Saw him harassing random people at work while he was streaming on the street in LA just so he can make stream slop. Saw him then go and rant about how he would raze LA to the ground because… l can't really say… just he was dissapointed in his trip and he waan't just swimming in pussy and praise from people from some city he just arrived to for vacation. Seem him rant about his food delivery drivers dared to ask him to buz them into his apartment so they could bring him his tendies. Dude is literally the opposite of supporting the ordinary person.
>>2842159Haz sounds like if Eliot Rodger had decided to become a communist
>>2840962Fuck the people, only the vanguard counts
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