/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2843111
Hell no. I’m biased as fuck here since I’m a native speaker but English is a beautiful language (I know, idealism but I don’t know how else to put it)

Gaol, knell, etc - beautiful words! No need to simplify them!

>>2843122
>native speaker
so am I but our language is retarded and it's fucked up that it became the imperial lingua franca

CRITICAL SUPPORT FOR MAKING ESPERANTO THE ULTRA-IMPERIAL LINGUA FRANCA !!

i always see people complain about it being too "eurocentric" but all the auxlangs that take that shit seriously almost always end up sounding soulless so …

>>2843111
English is easy to be understood in even when you speak it badly or write it badly, so it's completely unnecessary to do so.

>>2843137
lolno, english is literally one of the worst language one should pick to become universal
esperanto is based, but there was never a significant political force behind it, which is the main problem. In 50 years everyone will have to learn mandarin because social forces will never favor promoting a language that has no powerful country already behind it despite it being the most rational choice for most

>>2843145
Wrong, logographic languages are simply backward and too annoying to learn for the masses who already use alphabet in their vast majority. If China wants people to learn mandarin they'll have to modernize or suck it up.

>>2843156
They already modernized, have you seen simplified script vs traditional? Buildings and signs in Taiwan must take way more ink to print everythiny

>>2843111
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>>2843161
They should just use pinyin or some other type of phonetic alphabet a la Japanese hiragana/katakana

>>2843145
If English was really so bad it wouldn't have become the Lingua Franca. Continental euro Affix wankery can do one.
If it wasn't for tones, Chinese would be my second choice. So many desirable features obscured by two big barriers to entry.

>>2843137
this
>>2843145
>lolno, english is literally one of the worst language one should pick to become universal
yet it became universal because of how easy it is, sometimes if I'm reading theory and I'm getting filtered I look up the anglospeak edition because its like a version for dummies

>>2843253
>yet it became universal because of how easy it is
it became universal because of a little thing called the british empire

I think English is fine, i want to hate it because it’s named for the British, but I can’t say it’s not a decent language. It’s adapted a lot from other languages, doesn’t have grammatical gender, and is already kind of a common ground for quite a lot of people. I’m also biased as a stupid American who only knows English, idk I hope my children end up speaking some form of Chinese like they probably will.

>>2843161
>simplified script
>8,105 characters
>3,500 are designated as frequently used
Memorizing thousands of characters is a giant waste of time compared to the Latin script.
And to top it off it's a tonal language.
It would take way more than 50 years for the world to adopt. Realistically most people will use AI translation and only people who interact with the Chinese daily will learn it

>>2843397
Disingenuous comparison. Characters are closer to words than letters. There's only 214 radicals and you don't need to memorize them all at first. 80% of characters are phonosemantic too which btfos "muh logographs are so obscure" cope.

>>2843397
The problem of tones and the problem of the huge amount of characters goes hand in hand though, especially with Mandarin which has a particularly pathetic lack of ending sounds. When 'ji' could have literally hundreds of different meanings, you need hundreds of different ways to write it

>>2843213
French and Latin were historically the langua France. They're amongst the hardest languages in Europe, especially Latin.

>>2843137
English is probably the easist language in Europe, it has no gender, and barely any conjugasion, and no invisible letters. Most of the thing people complain about english is also in other languages.

>>2843453
>only 214 radicals
Fluency in Chinese takes about 88 weeks to learn. Spanish on the other hand takes 24-30 weeks.
https://blog.rosettastone.com/the-complete-list-of-language-difficulty-rankings/
>>2843513
>They're amongst the hardest languages in Europe
Only aristocrats and priests learned Latin while French always ends up a creole. The more difficult the Lingua franca is the less likely the average adult will invest their energy to learn it.

>>2843513
>English is probably the easist language in Europe, it has no gender
go woke or go broke!

>>2843527
>Fluency in Chinese takes about 88 weeks to learn. Spanish on the other hand takes 24-30 weeks.

This is for english speakers, Japanese people probably have an easier time learning chinese then spanish.
Altho, it is true that Indo-European languages are by far the most popular linguistic group. so, if we had a world language, an indo-european one would make the most sense.

>Only aristocrats and priests learned Latin while French always ends up a creole. The more difficult the Lingua franca is the less likely the average adult will invest their energy to learn it.
It's essentially the same today with English, even in Europe, apart from immigrants, it's often a middle to higher class thing, rural and poorer communities don't speak english very well, everyone says they speak english because it looks good on a Curriculum Vitae, not because it's actually the truth.
>>2843544
You have liberals in countries with gendered language who want to remove it, essentially because English doesn't have it.