>Simplified Chinese was officially introduced by the government of the People's Republic of China in the 1950s as part of a broader effort to increase literacy and modernize the country. The reform reduced the number of strokes in many commonly used characters and standardized certain character forms, making them easier and faster to learn and write. Although the government promoted the reform, it drew on simplification practices and proposals that had existed for centuries. The primary goal was to help expand education and enable more people, especially those with limited access to schooling, to become literate. Simplified Chinese is now the standard writing system in China and Singapore, while Traditional Chinese remains in use in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau.
English needs spelling and conjugation overhaul so badly
>>2843111Hell no. I’m biased as fuck here since I’m a native speaker but English is a beautiful language (I know, idealism but I don’t know how else to put it)
Gaol, knell, etc - beautiful words! No need to simplify them!
>>2843111English is easy to be understood in even when you speak it badly or write it badly, so it's completely unnecessary to do so.
>>2843137lolno, english is literally one of the worst language one should pick to become universal
esperanto is based, but there was never a significant political force behind it, which is the main problem. In 50 years everyone will have to learn mandarin because social forces will never favor promoting a language that has no powerful country already behind it despite it being the most rational choice for most
>>2843145Wrong, logographic languages are simply backward and too annoying to learn for the masses who already use alphabet in their vast majority. If China wants people to learn mandarin they'll have to modernize or suck it up.
>>2843156They already modernized, have you seen simplified script vs traditional? Buildings and signs in Taiwan must take way more ink to print everythiny
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>>2843145If English was really so bad it wouldn't have become the Lingua Franca. Continental euro Affix wankery can do one.
If it wasn't for tones, Chinese would be my second choice. So many desirable features obscured by two big barriers to entry. >>2843137this
>>2843145>lolno, english is literally one of the worst language one should pick to become universalyet it became universal because of how easy it is, sometimes if I'm reading theory and I'm getting filtered I look up the anglospeak edition because its like a version for dummies
I think English is fine, i want to hate it because it’s named for the British, but I can’t say it’s not a decent language. It’s adapted a lot from other languages, doesn’t have grammatical gender, and is already kind of a common ground for quite a lot of people. I’m also biased as a stupid American who only knows English, idk I hope my children end up speaking some form of Chinese like they probably will.
>>2843161>simplified script>8,105 characters>3,500 are designated as frequently usedMemorizing thousands of characters is a giant waste of time compared to the Latin script.
And to top it off it's a tonal language.
It would take way more than 50 years for the world to adopt. Realistically most people will use AI translation and only people who interact with the Chinese daily will learn it
>>2843397Disingenuous comparison. Characters are closer to words than letters. There's only 214 radicals and you don't need to memorize them all at first. 80% of characters are phonosemantic too which btfos "muh logographs are so obscure" cope.
>>2843397The problem of tones and the problem of the huge amount of characters goes hand in hand though, especially with Mandarin which has a particularly pathetic lack of ending sounds. When 'ji' could have literally hundreds of different meanings, you need hundreds of different ways to write it
>>2843213French and Latin were historically the langua France. They're amongst the hardest languages in Europe, especially Latin.
>>2843137English is probably the easist language in Europe, it has no gender, and barely any conjugasion, and no invisible letters. Most of the thing people complain about english is also in other languages.
>>2843453>only 214 radicals Fluency in Chinese takes about 88 weeks to learn. Spanish on the other hand takes 24-30 weeks.
https://blog.rosettastone.com/the-complete-list-of-language-difficulty-rankings/>>2843513>They're amongst the hardest languages in EuropeOnly aristocrats and priests learned Latin while French always ends up a creole. The more difficult the Lingua franca is the less likely the average adult will invest their energy to learn it.
>>2843513>English is probably the easist language in Europe, it has no gendergo woke or go broke!
>>2843527>Fluency in Chinese takes about 88 weeks to learn. Spanish on the other hand takes 24-30 weeks. This is for english speakers, Japanese people probably have an easier time learning chinese then spanish.
Altho, it is true that Indo-European languages are by far the most popular linguistic group. so, if we had a world language, an indo-european one would make the most sense.
>Only aristocrats and priests learned Latin while French always ends up a creole. The more difficult the Lingua franca is the less likely the average adult will invest their energy to learn it.It's essentially the same today with English, even in Europe, apart from immigrants, it's often a middle to higher class thing, rural and poorer communities don't speak english very well, everyone says they speak english because it looks good on a Curriculum Vitae, not because it's actually the truth.
>>2843544You have liberals in countries with gendered language who want to remove it, essentially because English doesn't have it.
Why don't we just replace english with espernato
>>2844774Because nobody speaks it natively and that in itself is a hard sell because you have to convince many people at once to begin speaking a conlang from zero if you want it to perpetuate itself in culture and not die off.
You know, the issue esperanto met shortly after its creation :p
if you simplify english any further you can just go back to grunts and screams
>>2844776Just make it the federal langauge of the US alongwith english, spainish, french,and any native langauge
>>2844790Doesn't guarantee people will start speaking it. I mean, America already has issues with historical languages dying out (Pennsylvania Dutch, the various native languages, French, all the Creole languages), so why would anyone bother with a language nobody speaks to begin with? At least with the others you have a certain historical and cultural background to attach to, esperanto is so, so young for a language with a history of not being adopted.
>>2844776>Because nobody speaks it nativelythis is wrong, esperanto has plenty of native speakers now, and has for a while
>>2844801I am aware, I just phrased my point wrong. Essentially, unlike every ethnic group on earth that has its distinct language/dialect, culture and history, esperanto is wholly constructed, and did not arise or evolve "organically" as most languages did. In that sense, it takes a qualitative leap to ensure that esperanto, the constructed language only some 200 years old, gets adopted en masse, which in the current state of the world, with english as the de facto lingua franca of finance, culture and connection, is unnecessary.
>>2843111Chinese has about 6 trillion different characters which all mean about 10 different things and you use context to figure out what they mean.
>>2843653Libs are right to do it, grammatical gender is stupid (except in cases like Swahili where they've got a whole case system instead of making doors and clock radios women like they're a hack mangaka hawking soft porn
God this website attracts some of the worst posters known to man
>>2844822>complains but adds nothing to the discussionwas your post about yourself?
>>2843513>English is probably the easist language in Europe, it has no gender, and barely any conjugasion, and no invisible letters. still could be better. imagine if the spelling and conjugation were actually consistent. it would be an unstoppable language
>>2844787>if you simplify english any further you can just go back to grunts and screamsbased
>>2844795Force kids to learn it and all federal officials to speak espertano to make muti-cultural commucation easier
>>2844839>>2844790>>2844774to what end
what magical gains do you imagine coming from Esperanto when 25% of the world can already speak english to some extent? you're talking a major commitment of time and effort and resources to get everyone speaking a dead pole's conlang so that… what, exactly?
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