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I’ve always wondered how modern American leftists, Marxist or otherwise, react to the anti-Asian history of the American left and labor movement. I’m referring to things like the anti-coolie movements that spread across the Western Hemisphere during the nineteenth century. Anti-coolie activism itself originated in Chile, while countries such as Mexico and Peru saw anti-Asian violence fueled by competition with Asian indentured workers. In the United States, this often erupted into outright anti-Chinese violence and pogroms, whether in the 1871 Los Angeles massacre—considered by some historians to be the deadliest lynching in American history—the Rock Springs massacre, the Tacoma riots of 1885, or the anti-Asian agitation associated with the Workingmen’s Party of California under Denis Kearney, which became infamous for its role in the 1877 San Francisco riots that left numerous Chinese laborers dead.

The same pattern arguably resurfaced in a different form during the 1970s and 1980s with the wave of Japan-bashing that swept through much of the white working class. This hostility was often encouraged by politicians aligned with the Democratic Party, who were eager to attack Japanese economic competition while the Reagan administration and the GOP were generally more receptive to Japanese investment in the United States, even as the American automobile industry was struggling.

What I find particularly creepy and strange is how many white Americans today, on both the left and the right, have become outright weeaboos or at least highly positive toward Japan despite the fact that it was not even a century ago that Toyota vehicles were being vandalized by disgruntled union workers employed by Ford and other American manufacturers. Books such as Japan as Number One became bestsellers, while Hollywood frequently portrayed Japanese corporations as sinister or unstoppable economic rivals, especially in films like Blade Runner and Rising Sun.

I would argue that this continued into the 1990s, when many moral guardians began targeting Japanese anime as satanic or as a vehicle for spreading Japanese wartime nationalism. One only has to look at the various newspaper columns attacking series such as Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, and even Pokémon for allegedly promoting Satanism, homosexuality, or whatever other cultural boogeyman happened to concern the American Christian right at the time—a movement which, it should be remembered, also preached that AIDS was divine punishment for homosexuality. To be fair, these same moral crusaders targeted plenty of domestic subcultures as well, including Dungeons & Dragons and heavy metal music. Still, anime and manga being foreign products certainly did not help, especially given that they came from a country that had once been America’s enemy during World War II and that many veterans of that conflict still openly harbored anti-Japanese sentiments.

Even during the 2000s and early 2010s, long after anti-Japanese sentiment had largely faded, being an anime fan was still often regarded as something only weirdos were into, somewhere on the same spectrum as being a furry or a brony. I remember how many commentators at the time described anime and manga as “cringe” and something to be embarrassed about. A good example is when PewDiePie made a video discussing his interests in the early 2010s and mentioned the manga Blame!. Unlike his other hobbies, he seemed almost apologetic about having a favorite manga at all.

Compare that with today, when mainstream platforms such as Netflix actively license anime for global audiences and even helped distribute the live-action adaptation of One Piece complete with dubs in numerous languages.

One could argue that this shift toward weeabooism occurred because Japan ceased to be perceived as a threat after the collapse of its asset bubble and the onset of the so-called Lost Decade. The stagnation of the Japanese economy effectively ended the economic miracle that had once led Americans to fear another “rising sun.” At the same time, Millennials and especially Zoomers grew up with anime and manga as a normal part of their media consumption rather than as a niche interest.

After all, many Americans who had once been intensely anti-Chinese became highly vocal about Imperial Japanese atrocities in China. The famous 1937 photograph Bloody Saturday is one example of how outrage over Japanese actions spread through the American public. Yet much of that outrage emerged during a period when Chinese immigrants themselves were no longer viewed as the primary Yellow Peril. By then, that role had largely been transferred to Japan. The Chinese Exclusion Act and other racist immigration policies, including the Immigration Act of 1924, had dramatically reduced Chinese immigration and the overall size of the Chinese diaspora in the United States. How convenient.

Even if this explains the transformation in attitudes toward Japan, it does not fully explain the recent growth of online sinophilia. This is occurring despite the fact that many people on the American right continue to view the PRC as a major geopolitical threat, even if anti-left contrarianism occasionally leads some of them to praise China as a way of criticizing contemporary America.

My own suspicion is that weeabooism has contributed to a broader fetishization of East Asia among certain segments of the American population, particularly among younger right-wing internet users. This tendency has only intensified as more Americans become disillusioned with their own country. Even with Trump in office, political messaging cannot entirely obscure the fact that many young Americans have lost confidence in the future of the United States. America is obviously not collapsing into Third World conditions, but that does not mean confidence in its institutions and long-term trajectory remains high.

At the same time, forms of anti-Asian prejudice still exist on the left. One can point to hostility toward Indian immigrants rooted in competition for white-collar jobs, feminist criticisms of sexism in countries such as Japan and South Korea that sometimes drift into cultural essentialism, or anti-CCP rhetoric that can range anywhere from principled anti-communism to outright Sinophobia.

So my question to American leftists is this: what do you think about the anti-Asian history of the American left and labor movement, and how do you explain the rapid shift toward various forms of sinophilia and weeabooism over the course of a few decades? More importantly, as a leftist, how do you think the American left should confront and address this aspect of its own history?

What surprises me is that the people who most often bring up this subject tend to be either liberal identitarians or conservative commentators who use the historical racism of the labor movement primarily as a way of attacking Democrats, socialists, or the broader Western left.

Reactionary trends have always existed in the left, and it isn’t limited to the American one. Whether it’s the racial chauvinism of Asian “communists” who can’t see that adopting capitalism has led to AES countries like China and Vietnam adopting capitalism and its contradictions, the anti-black racism of the Latin American left aimed at African Americans for the “crime” of being unapologetically black and proud, the current anti-Indian hatred among campists and certain idpollers as well as self-hating Indians, the anti-semitism among certain pro-Palestinian activists like BadEmpanada, and even historical ones such as the homophobia of Marx, Che, Bukhanin, Engels, Stalin and his successors, Mao, Deng, North Korea and almost every African socialist today, with the only exceptions being Angola (homosexuality legalised recently) and SA (gay marriage legal).

But it’s not just homophobia but racism too as shown in the cases of Marx, Che, the PRC, and the USSR with its forced deportations of entire ethnic groups from European Russia to Central Asia over suspicions of collaborationism with Nazi Germany but also to quell anti-communist sentiment in what can only be described as collective punishment against entire groups. Hell, what the USSR did in Kazakhstan was basically settler colonialism but with a red flag as the Soviet leadership continued the tsarist practice of settling ethnic Russians into Kazakhstan (but also in the Caucasus and the rest of Central Asia) to the point that Kazakhstan was majority Russian until the 1990s.

Going back to the American case, the violent anti-Asian sentiment isn’t really an aberration as much as being deeply embedded in the American labor movements of the time.

Now, Tbf, this problem wasn’t solely limited to the USA as Canada had the same racist current among its labor and leftist movements, and the problem itself was hemispheric as you note, OP. Take Mexico wherein, during the Mexican revolution against the Porfiriato, where an estimated 308 Chinese Mexicans were killed in what came to be known as the Torreón massacre. This is notable as this was the first time that China (then the Wing dynasty) actually intervened diplomatically on the matter as previously it was apathetic towards the Chinese diaspora, so the massacre was a turning point in the history of Chinese foreign relations.

You know it’s called interNATIONALISM for a reason

>>2845316
Maybe the problem is that the two choices apparently: 1. Organize with foreign labor to overthrow the wage system (never happened in history) or 2. Be a chud and do a race war. Happens semi-regularly, works sometimes.

>>2845349
How does your play with semantics justify racial massacres tho? Would the Holocaust be justified if it was done by a communist Germany as opposed to the greater Reich?

Also, internationalism doesn’t preclude globalism and cosmopolitanism. After all, internationalism is the OPPOSITE of ultranationalism.

>>2845359
Racial massacres aren’t good but neither is crossing a picket line, which is what all migration is

>>2845363
>neither is crossing a picket line, which is what all migration is

Would that also apply to internal migration (i.e., migration of Americans within the states)?

>>2845357
>never happened in history
It did. Just look at Cuba and Yugoslavia. Hard, but not impossible and it will have to happen in America due to white non-Hispanic Americans now having to contend sharing space with African and Asian Americans, as well as Latinx people who form the majority in much of the southwest, with many of them being there even before the American-Mexican war.

>>2845368
Yes it would apply to internal migration, which is why China has the Hukuo system

>>2845370
Thanks for your intellectual honesty. Most anti-migrationists (especially the reactionaries) never touch upon this part of their worldview, either because they’re too cowardly to do so or never thought about it to begin with.

>>2845379
I mean this genuinely, no one should ever step a foot outside of where they were born

>>2845316
>historical american left

left?

worthy of the term left?

I suppose if you mean the "left wing of capital" or the "left wing of fascism" as some are fond of saying. I'm not fond of that because it's like saying "the left wing of the right wing." We're talking pro-labor but also frothing racism and xenophobia. someone on here pointed out this kind of thing goes back to ancient times. you can get the underdog organized on the basis of class but while appealing to their bigotry and patriotism. so the 1381 peasant revolt slaughtered flemish workers for example. but this is america. we're talking here about a country built by african slaves on land taken from indigenous. hardly was limited to being anti-asian.

historical? as an american i think we're kind of hopelessly reactionary, both then, and now. hopefully that changes but it's hard to see from here. there's a thick fog over the future. we're doing military flyovers at the world cup, chanting usa usa usa. we're proud of the genocide we helped israel do. it's rough. I don't see much potential. there's a lot of slaves in our prison system but how do you organize them? They're locked in a dungeon.

>>2845370
That's not why the Hukuo system exists retard. The system guarantees every rural family in China a home and land to fall back to if city work runs out. Abolishing Hukuo would mean turning every rural family instantly homeless overnight and to throw them to the mercy of the market, which is why liberals in the West want to get rid of it. It's literally a welfare state measure developed to protect farmers and prevent homelessness but Western media portrays it as a horror to get retards like (you) to think that it's oppression. China is building high speed rail across the entire country to make migration easy, if they wanted to "keep people where they were born" they would just build walls around all the cities instead.

>>2845370
>Yes it would apply to internal migration
yeah that's hilarious. the people screeching to keep immigrants out of mississipi would be prevented from moving to new york. lol. just 50 enclaves locked down and nobody's free to move around but the commodities are. in a way it is already prohibitively expensive for a worker in one state to move to another state because the rent will be too high and they don't have a job there yet capable of paying it.

>>2845389
> if they wanted to "keep people where they were born" they would just build walls around all the cities instead.
freedom cities! neo feudalism! many are clamoring for it here in the west (tm).

>>2845368
>It did. Just look at Cuba and Yugoslavia.
It also happened in America. A lot of the earliest industrial labour organizations started as fraternal orders of immigrants based on nationality, like the Ancient Order of Hibernians. Immigrant labour was always overrepresented in the American labour movement.

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>>2845382
>I mean this genuinely, no one should ever step a foot outside of where they were born
U MAD BRO?!?!

>>2845382
>people in genocidal kill zones shouldn't be allowed to seek asylum
the logical conclusion of anti-immigration polocies. shooting fish in the barrel

>>2845363
>migration is crossing a picket line
yeah deport that faggot marx back to germany. fuckin kraut

>>2845359
internationalism is not simply anti-nationalism. built into socialist internationalism is a healthy respect for national sovereignty and national liberation movements, while a disdain for national chauvinism and national bigotry. Internationalism is sort of centrist on the national question, lying between anti-nationalism and nationalism. it recognizes the nation state as sort of the primary political unity of global geopolitics, at least until such a time as we have global socialism and global economic planning.

>>2845389
Yes and China effectively abolished the Hukuo system in may of this year, the final betrayal

>>2845406
non western source

It’s not just anti-Asian sentiment, the entire legacy of the American left, including its “communist” parties, are overwhelmingly based in the most violent racism in existence. People forget that the KKK was in part a labor organization and had heavy overlap with unions like the AFL and Knights of Labor who were also violently racist and anti-communist. There’s a reason Nazis to this day look to America for inspiration

>>2845390
Commodities shouldn’t move either, if your town can’t grow or make something itself, you don’t get it

>>2845414
>the entire legacy of the American left, including its “communist” parties, are overwhelmingly based in the most violent racism in existence
Retarded post. The IWW and CPUSA were both actively anti-racist, to the point where all anti-racism was demonized as communism.

>>2845419
They were “anti-racist” only with regards to their fellow Americans, the IWW and CPUSA willingly and gleefully supported the genocides in Korea and Vietnam because like the rest of the western left they considers those outside the imperial core less than human and saw the burning flesh of Vietnamese children as something worth celebrating because it meant more treats. But then you don’t consider the third world to be human either so I’m not surprised you sincerely think Yanks are “anti-racist” lol

>>2845422
>the IWW and CPUSA willingly and gleefully supported the genocides in Korea and Vietnam
No they didn't. You're just making things up.

>>2845423
No you’re right, they opposed them. That’s why the Korean and Vietnamese genocides were stopped in their tracks before they happened by militant red army cadres the CPUSA and IWW had been developing to wage open war on the American Reich and force the bourgeoisie to turn their destructive forces internally…NOT!

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>>2845424
>They were racist
<No they weren't
>Okay they werent, but they supported the wars in Korea and Vietnam!
<No they didn't
>Okay they didn't, but they didn't do terrorist adventurism which is just as bad!

>>2845426
They willingly chose to embrace electoralism and abandon revolution even after it had already been shown to be more than possible because communism would threaten their treats, and they didn’t care how many third world children had to burn to death for them because they fundamentally don’t consider them human. But of course you’re just as much of genocidal freak as the rest of your ilk which is why you so vehemently defend them. Be sure to vote for Platner!

>>2845426
Anything less than the overthrow of the imperialist governments is complicity in imperialism

>>2845428
The weather underground tried revolution and it didn’t work

>>2845428
>They willingly chose to embrace electoralism and abandon revolution
Whatever you do don't look into what the CPSU was telling them to do. Also >>2845431

>>2845430
This. Proletarian revolution had by that point been a proven reality for decades, which the western left almost to a man WILLINGLY REJECTED because they consider the genocide of subhumans to be a worthwhile sacrifice for their treats. Sabo is well aware of this and thinks it’s a good thing, which is why he willingly fought in the GWOT. But of course he couldn’t POSSIBLY be racist, some of his best friends are black and brown imperialists!

>>2845431
They didn’t, Weather Underground had no proletarian base

>>2845434
Because they were fighting a treatler proletariat

>>2845433
>Proletarian revolution had by that point been a proven reality for decades
Then why had the Soviets been actively discouraging it in Western countries since the 1930s?

Stalin joining the allies was essentially a pact with the devil that doomed the world

>>2845432
>>2845437
>Americans can do no wrong! They were obviously just misled by those dirty subhuman Russian ORKS!
What’s up Zelensky?

>>2845439
>Americans can do no wrong!
I didn't say that. The American and Western left made many mistakes, perhaps the largest of these was being far too willing to accept directives from Moscow that put immediate Soviet geopolitical interests above revolutionary politics in their own countries. It's still a fact that the Soviets from the 1930s onward prioritized non-confrontation and electoralism among their Western communist affiliates. It's also a fact that efforts to break out of this (e.g. by Maoists) failed because revolutions are require correct conditions and can't simply be willed into existence.

>>2845439
So CPUSA should have taken a trot position?

>>2845438
truke, everyone cries about muh red brown alliance (barely even a real thing) but is the red blue alliance that actually ruined everything

>>2845441
They did the moment they failed to denounce Khrushchev’s fascism, and Browder was already a fascist collaborator to start with

>>2845416
by that logic multi cellular organisms shouldn't exist, only single cellular organisms. organisms forming coalitions and trading nutrients as part of a large organism is haram.

>>2845444
So the CPUSA should have taken orders from Mao instead?

>>2845445
Correct

>>2845448
Yes, but again that would have required the American left to not be fundamentally genocidally racist to all of those outside the imperial core, and they have repeatedly proven that they would rather die than give up such a core part of their identity

>>2845444
Popular frontism and the drive towards electoralism at the expense of revolution started under Stalin.

>>2845451
The Black Panthers were Maoists and also failed, despite a consistently militant approach.

>>2845451
People need to die for historical progress, if given the choice, no one is going to choose themselves or their kids to die, that’s basic self preservation

>>2845424
>not being strong enough to stop bad things is the same as approving of and actively collaborating in favor of bad things
are you agitating for action or inaction. because that's the kind of message that inspires inaction.

>>2845316
>>2845387
Historically, most guys raped and beat their wives. Chauvinism of all kinds has always been a problem in the working class.

>>2845433
>Proletarian revolution had by that point been a proven reality for decades, which the western left almost to a man WILLINGLY REJECTED
the average burger is a bucktoothed moron who doesn't even know what a proletarian revolution is. step outside your god damn portland hipster bubble for 2 secs and ask a burger in alabama why they willingly reject proletarian revolution and they'll look at you spoke chinese at them

>>2845456
>Historically, most guys raped and beat their wives.
that sounds more like a problem with society in general and not just the working class specifically. also that could probably be true but sounds unproven. how do you even gather statistics to prove such a strong claim?

>>2845455
They're agitation for inaction, since any actions that help to establish a popular base, build a worker's movement, and create a revolutionary situation will be dismissed as treatlerism.

>>2845455
It makes little difference to the Vietnamese mother watching her children burn to death

>>2845460
The CPV had official ties with the CPUSA and regularly spoke positively about the anti-war movement in the US.

>>2845460
Her kids that survived are making Nikes for the same people that dropped agent orange and laid mines everywhere, life’s a bitch and then you die

>>2845463
And then the CPV were promptly stabbed in the back by their American “comrades”

>>2845465
Vietnam is a rogue Chinese province anyway

>>2845465
There you go making up nonsense again. I challenge you to find me a single statement from Vietnamese communists echoing these kinds of accusations against American communists.

>>2845467
hey doomer petty bourgeois anon. your posts are dogshit. check yourself into a mental institution already.

>>2845468
Why would a vietnamese statement be relevant here?

>>2845473
I shan’t be doing that

>>2845473
I’m not doomer, communism will come but not by either reform or “revolution” but through technological development. Anyone looking to pick up guns is unserious and emotionally motivated.

>>2845474
Because if even they don't consider the American communists to be genocidal treatlers then there's no reason to consider them as such. It's proof that this isn't a sentiment that comes from the actual victims of American imperialism but from embittered Westerners and/or glowies.

>>2845501
The attitude of the victim doesn’t have anything to do with what actually happened to them

>>2845505
Sorry Anon, but I'll take my cues from those who have successfully fought American imperialism and not glowie defeatists.

>>2845515
You’re gonna take advice from a party that’s cozied up to its former rapist? Makes their shoes? Challenges China in the South China Sea? East Asia’s Ukraine?

>>2845524
I'll take their advice a lot more seriously than anything comes from a schizo retard brain like yours.

>>2845537
/thread

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finally an opportunity to post this

>>2845570
lasted about as long as the confederacy lol


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