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Has anyone noticed the uptick in liberal nostalgia for the Obama Era in recent months?

Maybe this comes on the heels of Mamdani’s mayorship and how Mamdani largely reminds shitlibs of Obama. But regardless, I’m seeing a lot of these people romanticize the late-2000s-early-2010s time as being one where “America was flourishing” and “politics was civil”. As if Obama didn’t break every single promise he made. As if Obama didn’t engage in far more foreign interventions than GWB and the Neocon gang, albeit through proxy armies and drone warfare. As if Obamacare wasn’t a massive boost for the health insurance companies. Not to mention how Obama did nothing for the Black community.

As a side note, I’m also seeing these same exact shitlibs romanticize Occupy Wall Street. As someone who took part in Occupy and who slept in Zuccotti Park, I clearly remember how much liberals HATED Occupy when it first took off. They were telling us something along the lines of: “You commies and anarkids need to STFU and let Obama do his job.” Now, I’m seeing liberals say Occupy was the last attempt of implementing left-wing populism in America, and that the corporate media deliberately pushed identity politics right after Occupy ended in order to divide-and-conquer the population so they would never rise up against the billionaires again. I mean, where were all these people when we were getting brutalized by the NYPD? Pathetic.

>>2845770
americans have perpetual amnesia and always develop nostalgia for 2+ presidents ago. they are completely retarded and beyond helping. my braindead alcoholic mother in law started dickriding hunter biden recently after he "owned trump" in a post and I had to remind her that all these people are ghouls and war criminals never to be trusted, and she started getting super defensive like I was attacking her friends or family. we are a braindead country. xi please spare me from 40-50 more years of this nonsense with nuclear fire.

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>>2845770
Are you going to deny this country was on a better track with Obama? This past decade has just been the "Revenge of the Boomer Cracker" arc. We're just waiting for the day we can get back to where we were in 2016 once these Fox News boomer tire themselves out or finally kick the bucket.

>>2845772
this happens with all presidents
regan was viewed as demented and asleep at the wheel and sometimes saying extreme stuff. then he had a load of scandals and the economy shat the bed twice. but now he's that folksy old man who was one of the best presidents ever and the economy was roaring and everything was great

>>2845774
Obama was still an imperialist. When has there ever been a “good” Amerikkkan president?

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>>2845775
Reagan was miles ahead of Trump.

>>2845772
Sounds about right.

>politics was civil
Politics weren't even civil by lib standards either. Republicans were constantly seething about how Obama was a Muslim socialist Kenyan antichrist who hated America and wanted to kill all white people.

>>2845776
>Can't into "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good"
I guess the real dichotomy is incrementalism vs. accelerationism. So Trump was the "mask-off" accelerationist choice and how much closer is the DTR(Day of the Revolution)?

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I thought too that destroying America's reputation on the world stage was worth something(still think it's deserved) but what did it do? The Euro cucks will slobber the sphincter of whoever is the American president, even if he's talking about invading Greenland or whatever.

I guess I hope the lesson people learn from that is that the rest of the 1st world is completely useless. There is no daylight between them.

culture nostalgia works on 20 year rule, right now fashion industry and teens are wanting to emulate the 2000s.

But i fully expect a revisionist history of the obama years to come into fruition in the 2030s, a rose tinted liberal one where they pretend he accomplished hope and change and didnt lead to trump by bailing out the banks

Overall, culturally i hated the 2010s, nothing but remake and cape shit movies, music got whittled down pop and pop rap, the only thing that was good to me was maybe tv. shit like breaking bad or game of thrones.

I mean this isnt to mention how around obamas second term the liberals turn into hyper moral police which creates a reaction that led to the rise of the alt right and an endless exhausting culture war.

>>2845776
lincoln if he hadn't done pic related
FDR bad because he saved capitalism from revolution

>>2845798
>But i fully expect a revisionist history of the obama years to come into fruition in the 2030s, a rose tinted liberal one where they pretend he accomplished hope and change and didnt lead to trump

<I mean this isnt to mention how around obamas second term the liberals turn into hyper moral police which creates a reaction that led to the rise of the alt right and an endless exhausting culture war.

Unappreciative autistic faggot. Maybe you are too young to remember the 00s. We're living in the post Obama-woke era, here you are blaming them for going too far. This is the post anti-bullying era where you would've been way more opressed. And you support the cracker backlash. Shit's crazy to me. All the trans-nazis and etc.

Never trust a biracial with a white mother.

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>>2845801
morality is a spook, wheter it come from woke libtards or right wing evangelicals

>>2845801
I mean, this goes for the whole aut-right, like, these are people are only tolerated by the efforts of liberals, and then they throw their whole support behind the 1950s-nostalgic conservatives.

>>2845803
Don't you have that backwards Black Power anon? Isn't it the race of the father that decides? What is your argument for the mother being the decider? Do you have a theory? I guess the absentee father theory certainly works as is the case with Obama, but what if he was raised by his Black father?

>>2845808
White women can’t do Black hair and install white supremacist epistemology in the minds of their children.

>>2845811
>White women can’t do Black hair
Why would your mother be "doing" your hair as a boy?
>and install white supremacist epistemology in the minds of their children.
This is exactly what they say about hapas which typically trend to White father Asian mother. Why do you think that the children would lean more towards a White mother vs White father.

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I'm going to presume that Pan-Africanism flag poster is Black. It's funny that some Black people are like:
>Fuck biracial people! Why do they side with their White half?
I wonder. I think it's my White half that makes me side with Black Americans.

>>2845820
aren't most black Americans mixed tho?

A lot of black people have Irish ancestory

>>2845770
liberals never stopped being nostalgic for obama, while left-of-average liberals who were more critical of obama have to reassess his relatively mediocre presidency in light of just how fucking awful each one that followed has been.

>>2845776
thinking in terms of good and evil is unhelpful when you're dealing with greater and lesser evils. i do not mean this in a voting sense: you are not obliged to vote for anyone. "i don't want to vote because i'm too cool for it" is a perfectly valid reason so far as i am concerned, but it is not useful to go "brian mulroney was bad and hitler was bad and gorbachev was bad and jimmy carter was bad" rather than assessing their relative badness.

>>2845781
this is a much better critique and helps you tell liberals what they really, really need to understand: rightist insanity is a demand-lead personality disorder and they should abandon nostalgia for the idea of compromise with it and identify it as the threat to all they hold dear that it is.

republican Thomas Massie once accurately identified this as an underlying thing behind the tea party movement:
>"I thought they were voting for libertarian Republicans. But after some soul-searching I realized when they voted for Rand and Ron and me in these primaries, they weren't voting for libertarian ideas — they were voting for the craziest son of a bitch in the race."
libertarianism, for all its many flaws, is a set of ideas that appeals to intelligent people. selfish bastards, sure, but intelligent and somewhat open-minded people. libertarians calling obama a socialist was the closest the insane "muslim socialist keynan antichrist" cranks could get until trump came along and gave them what they wanted all along, a crazy son of a bitch who owns the libs even if every word out of his mouth is a lie. so you got the tea party movement, an uneasy fusion of libertarian ideas and actual clinical insanity.

the left is less vulnerable to this because it an ideas movement. the left has ideology, the right has a cult of personality, and libs have a cult of sensible moderation. they must be made to realise that if they want to keep their little cult intact, they're going to need to make like eastern european libs and purge the fuck out of republican institutions next time they take power.

>>2845783
this would be a naive reading of it. trump (and all the crazies around him) are the most likely to destabilise the united states, but china doesn't necessarily want an unstable united states. enduring 50 years of "equal partnership" running the world with democrat presidents who turn a blind eye to the integration of taiwan because they're more focused on russia is a small price to pay to not have republicans start ww3 when they realise this is their now-or-never moment to stop the chinese century or, worse still, blunder into it Iran style.

>>2845798
the alt-right would've arisen against liberalism even if liberalism hadn't been so socially progressive. you must think of these things as being demand lead rather than supply lead. liberals wanted a harder strain of liberalism and they got it in social justice, conservatives wanted a harder strain of anti-social nastiness and they got it in the alt-right/trump cult. the two incidentally played off one another, sure, but they're primarily a function of the internet removing gatekeepers to giving people what they actually wanted rather than of one another.
(e.g. rather than pushing rightoid slop on an innocent public, fox news actually limited the degree to which rightists could consume slop. now the internet lets a man in bangladesh ai generate videos of trump fighting actual demons side-by-side with jesus or AI generated slop about all the major democrat politicians being trans, which is much more exciting than any real news!)

>>2863441
a slight follow up: what's really fun is you can see this trend by tracking the implosion of "new atheism": libs in it for pro-social reasons (e.g. mostly opposed to bush and conservatives hurting others) became "atheism+" and then social justice warriors, now usually some kind of communist, while the more antisocial element (mostly enjoyed "owning" and humiliating people in debates and being able to attack islam) became alt-right debate bros, then trump cultists. both those successor ideologies met the underlying psychological needs of their participants better than new atheism could.

you can even find fun "exception that proves the rule" individuals like thunderf00t who started as an anti-creationist youtuber but pivoted to anti-feminist slop in reaction to the early SJW movement, but then when brexit/trump happened and revealed the right as being anti-social idiot weirdoes who threatened the funding of his day job as a scientist, e.g. not a brain-dead idiot he pivoted back to being a liberal who made anti-covid conspiracy videos and now mostly makes anti-elon musk content. so that's the kind of trajectory you'll find if someone is a little anti-SJW but doesn't have the overwhelming anti-social tendencies of an actual rightist, if someone's actual underlying psychological need is to be "debunking" stuff. (which will now naturally put you on the left because basically everything rightoids say is a lie, having unmoored themselves from reality almost completely.)

>>2845770
Tbh, 2000s and 2010s America was way healthier and more stable than 2020s America, which is why people now romanticise the past twenty years.

And I honestly agree because the 2000s and 2010s were the peak of online culture and just overall better times.

But obviously the problems of the 2020s must at some point derive from the past, and the last two decades are no exception so in that regard I’m actually self-aware to not idealise it too much. After all, leftism back then was just a meme.

But can’t say things haven’t improved much in 2020s, in fact ever since 2016 things have just gotten shittier and shittier. The only improvement imo is that the 2020s has more stakes and is more of a breeding ground for revolution than the 2010s were, when communism was mostly a meme spread by suburban Tumblr liberals.

>>2845770
He represents "the good old days". I personally prefer Trump as hes sabotaging American empire with sheer incompetence.

he was america's finest house uyghur.

>>2845772
Who or what is an American?


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