BJP-RSSoids lie as easy as they breathe, CPI Maoist may be on the back foot for the last 15-20 years but as long as India has rural peasants they have a base
>>2846083no they are just biding there time and putting out disinfo to the government to make them look weaker than they are
>>2846083They'll find more Naxals to shoot as soon as the mine and development projects start and locals find issue, anon, you can bet on that.
Even your article, as the bare bourgeois agitprop it was, had to admit this, it being such an inevitability.
>inb4 retarded maoist S comes and lectures us from the comfort of imperial Cornwall
where's mao anon? he usually knows his shit
the movement has had its days numbered for quiet a while now.
>>2846097>peasantsthis was true, yes, but naxals were pretty oppressive with the peasants too. forced sterilisation, not allowing access to governmeny facilities, recruiting child soldiers, killing those who voted in elections etc etc.
im not saying that peasants hated naxals, its that whether they sided with the government or naxals they would get fucked either way.
>>2846098>disinfo to look weaker than they arethis would seem plausible, until you dig deeper and find out the fact that naxal cadres are surrendering in the hundreds, so that they can lead peaceful lives (government has announced that any naxal who surrenders will get free housing food and help with integration for some months).
its looking bleak for the naxals imo, but that does not mean the fight is over comrades. if they cut off one head of the movement, 3 more will take its place!
>>2846129he's a cracker retard who lives comfortably while masturbating on the slaughter of brown people
MaoAnon, S, they are all the same
fuck them and their mothers
>>2846097that's kinda betting on the losing team during the course of capitalist development isn't it?
>>2846134bingo. you sumarised in one line the retardation of post-1970s maoism.
>>2846135given the timeframe I dont think it was completely retarded. Deep underdevelopment persists for a very long time and there's no real great way to tell when it's going to move into the beginning stages of true industrialization.
The bigger issue is we don't have a great model for what to do once properly advanced industrialization has taken off.
they do this every 5 months who cares naxalism is like a 100 dudes
Naxals are being defeated every 6 month which coincide with news reporting naxalites have beheaded another BJP guy with rusty machetes every 6 month.
They've effectively been dead for about half a decade now. They started losing ground after the Indian government increased security operations and patrols around 2014, until they were largely confined to a handful of villages. Any time you'd point this out though, western weirdos would jump in and call it "imperialist propaganda" even though many leftists in South Asia were already aware of these developments. Like these guys
>>2846097 >>2846098 >>2846106 >>2846116 I genuinely have no idea what their deal is. It's like saying the Red Guards are still around and that anyone who tells you otherwise is just repeating imperialist propaganda.
>>2846132This is much healthier approach.
>Will defeated at last and dark Death the only victor of all the wars. The Bourbons were restored, the feudal barons were returning to claim their lands and the pacific idealism of Alexander had unwittingly mothered a league for the suppression of progress everywhere. The great age was over. “I thank God,” said Goethe, “that I am not young in so thoroughly finished a world.”
>>2846133MaoAnon is of Haitian descent, I don't think you can call that a cracker. I am also not from Cornwall but Wales, I just support Cornish national self determination. Btw I hope Lukashenko's head is cut off with a razor wire since he is a Russian comprador occupier who hates the Belorussian language.
They say this every single year. Last I heard there were even still CC members operating in liberated territory.
>>2846129Hi it's me Maoanon here to tell you that thread #4895402 on leftypol uncritically announcing the defeat of the Naxals based on the word of the Indian fascist state is not something anyone serious should pay any heed to. If you need my permission to not give a shit about this, there it is. As S said, the Indian government claims this every year. All power to the Indian Maoists and their struggle against liquidationism on one hand and fascism on the other.
Ay wassup y'all uyghas it's MaoAnon up in here. Shake that lil' red book like a polaroid picture
They’ve said this hundreds of time. Why should we believe them now?
>>2848467I remember 2020, almost no one cheered on the Zmagars
>>2848670The only thing a guerrilla movement has to do is survive and outlast the government, doesn’t matter if they have 1000 fighters, 100 fighters, or 50 fighters
>>2848858This really confirms my theory that being a Western leftist gives you one of the most consistently wrong understandings of military affairs imaginable. Not "a little off," not "missing some nuance", just completely detached from how militaries, militias, wars, firearms and strategy actually work.
What I'm genuinely curious about is where this worldview comes from. Boomers got their understanding of the military from mainstream war movies, Cold War narratives and popular media. But where do Western leftists get theirs? Because it doesn't seem to come from military history, military theory, or any serious study of warfare. There has to be some historical or cultural process that produced this perspective and I'd be interested to know what it is.
The Naxalites have supposedly been on the verge of total defeat for years at this point and they continue to persist in some fashion. As
>>2846097 said the Hindutva regime has every reason to lie about how much they've been crushed allegedly.
>>2849083Western leftists are generally outnumbered by liberals and rightists. Most are generally anti military and don't particularly pay much attention to military matters or rather don't want to, it's too dirty and boring. Also leftists or communist guerrilla groups seem to do a lot of dying and barely surviving even when they win so there's this general view of being a smol bean underdog that just barely manages and maybe somehow wins. But most likely you'll lose so just do whatever it might work out. Maybe also a bit too much idealism.
>>2849083they are always looking at the examples of the viet cong. cuba. algeria.
>>2849093Violent armed insurrection is a meme in the west, civilians can't do shit against the modern military industrial complex especially in countries where firearms are illegal to own, there needs to be widespread societal instability and somehow get the military on our side, liberal leftism is only the sign of powerlessness that people have for real structural change.
>>2846083the essential characteristic of a guerrilla is that it can not be destroyed by an army nor be triumphant over it
unless they choose to give up fighting naxals will never disapear
>>2846207industralization might never happen keeping large chunks of the world underdeveloped is also a functional strategy under capitalism
>>2848670whats the alternative? cheering for fascists massacring peasants with impunity?
>>2846097>>2849087Except their existence would quite literally benefit the BJP, since it would justify increased defense spending and a larger military presence
>>2849142The fact that you think the only choices are cheering for an Army that doesn't exist or as you said, cheering for massacres of peasants shows how moronic you really are. Armed resistance is basically dead in some regions and severely limited in others. The only realistic path forward is building up gradual strong communities, creating parallel social structures and organizing for the long term until capitalism hits another major crisis. That's when the conditions for an armed revolution might finally exist
>I'm genuinely curious, what exactly is the psychology here? Something a learned slave like yourself would never understand.
>Why are you so emotionally invested in a group that local leftists have been telling you is basically dead and confined to a few remote villages for the last half decade? If this is true (which it is not and in fact is the propaganda of the fascist comprador state and pushed by social fascist opportunists), then why does the old state and US imperialism have to resort to so much manpower, funds, corporate kill squads, terror campaigns against the local population, and a prolonged effort to try and quell just a "few remote villages"?
>Do you also assume that the Philippine communist insurgency is also one decisive battle away from victory. A protracted people's war will never be won by one battle or lost in a single defeat. It is an idealist fantasy of the contemporary "left" to think that the revolution will be some singular event won in an evening not a prolonged bloody struggle that may last decades spanning multiple victories retreats in a civil war that will ultimately reshape society and humanity itself.
>Again this is basically the political equivalent of insisting the Red Guards are still active and then accusing everyone who points out they aren't as being part of some grand cover-up.The Naxalites exist. So long as the fascist old state continues to oppress the masses and imperialism digs its claws into the Indian subcontinent they will always have meaning to exist. Same with the Philippine Maoists.
>>2849157>Except their existence would quite literally benefit the BJP, since it would justify increased defense spending and a larger military presenceDespicable logic of a beaten slave. Why fly a red flag when all you do is lick a black boot?
>>2849182You have no idea what a neo-patrimonial state is. To you Fascism is basically a supernatural evil, say the right words, perform the proper exorcism and only then problem is solved.
The irony is that India would probably run better If it were a centralized fascist state. It isn't. It's a third-world neo-patrimonial state, which requires actual analysis instead of moral theater.
I'm willing to bet you've never read a single serious South Asian leftist on state formation, patronage or political development. You substitute slogans for understanding because understanding would require effort. You're not a serious person and you have no interest in becoming one.
>>2848670>Why are you so emotionally invested in a group that local leftists have been telling you is basically dead and confined to a few remote villages for the last half decade?"Local leftists" is doing a lot of legwork here. What exactly makes these people "left wing"? What about their politics and principles is left
specifically? That they call themselves socialist or even communist means nothing. I can call myself a feudal king and that won't magically make me sprout the land, peasantry, and political action that would make such a label meaningful. No, you know how bad a look it is to uncritically spout the propaganda of the BJP, so you shift the source over to someone "left" who just happens to agree with them. Who cares that these "leftists" are reformists (at best) who betray every basic principle of socialism?
>Do you also assume that the Philippine communist insurgency is also one decisive battle away from victory."What the hell are you talking about? Who're you talking to?!"
No Maoist has ever claimed that the CPI(Maoist) or CPP-NPA are "one decisive battle away from victory." You are arguing with nobody.
>>2849234>unironically regurgitating Max Weber liberalism with a "neo" slapped on the frontIt's like clockwork. Every fucking time with these threads folks on leftypol can't help but dribble out the anti-Marxist and anti-communist liberalism. Gosh golly gee no wonder y'all are always salivating for the defeat of Maoism…
>>2849611>>2849182You two sound exactly like Western Maoists who were convinced that the remnants of the Khmer Rouge would completely defeat the Vietnamese army.
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/wc-kampuchea-2.htm
>Vietnam’s naked aggression against Kampuchea and the Kampuchean people reached a new level with the capture of the capital city at Phnom Penh on Jan. 7. After a 16 day full scale armed invasion involving over 100,000 troops and heavy aerial bombing, the Vietnamese are now claiming control over “almost all” of Kampuchea.>Under cover of their puppet organization, the “Kampuchean National United Front for National Salvation” formed less than one month before the invasion, the Vietnamese claim that they have rallied the Kampuchean people behind their leadership.>Yet despite their claims of widespread popular support, resistance to the Vietnamese invaders continues to be fierce throughout the country. Fighting is reportedly heavy at the country’s only deep water port at Kompong Som and several islands northwest of it. The Kampuchean army still remains in control of the provincial capital at Pursat, 100 miles northwest of Phnom Penh. In addition heavy fighting continues in Battambang, northwest Kampuchea’s major city, Sisophon 30 miles east of the Thai border and at Nimit 13 miles from the frontier.>These examples of resistance reflect the heroic revolutionary spirit of the Kampuchean people. As our Chinese comrades state, “The capture of Phnom Penh by the Vietnamese does not mean the end but the beginning of the war.” As is evident the Kampuchean Revolutionary Army and people under the leadership of the Kampuchean Communist Party (CPK) are already actively waging a people’s war. While the Vietnamese control the towns, the Kampuchean army remains strong in most of the countryside enjoying the full support of the people. Ieng Sary, Deputy Prime Minister of Kampuchea, speaking in Peking said that Kampuchea would continue fighting even though its army was heavily outnumbered by the Vietnamese. “We do not have so big an army but we have the people with us,” he said. “We will take the weapons we need from the Vietnamese. An aggressor is never strong.”https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ca.secondwave/october-kamp.htm
>The military aggression against Democratic Kampuchea early this January and its occupation by more than ten heavily Soviet-equipped Vietnamese divisions shocked the whole world.>Many people were stunned to see Vietnam attempting to forcibly annex a neighbouring people who were previously their comrades-in-arms.>But we see today that after the American war of destruction, instead of devoting its energies to the reconstruction of the country for the welfare of its people, Vietnam consolidated and developed its military forces in order to extend its control over neighbouring countries. Vietnam is practising regional hegemonism, that is, using all means, including military occupation, outright colonization and systematic pillage, to become the master of Southeast Asia.>Vietnam’s ambitions fit right in with Soviet plans for world domination. Vietnam needs Soviet military help to wage its wars of aggression. And through this help, the Soviet Union is consolidating its hold over Vietnam and is turning it into another Cuba. However strong an imperialist power may be, it cannot hope to control the whole world completely on its own. It needs to establish faithful allies, who, like Vietnam today, are themselves ambitious and aggressive, to do its job in certain regions of the world.https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/cpml-kamp-leaders.htm
>The Central Committee of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) of the U.S. sent the following statement of support to the leaders of Democratic Kampuchea–Prime Minister Pol Pot, Deputy Prime Minister Ieng Sary, and President Khieu Samphan.>The Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) of the United States gives its full support to the Kampuchean people in their present efforts to resist the Vietnamese aggression now taking place in Democratic Kampuchea.>No matter how many acts of aggression, invasion, subversion and occupation are launched by the Vietnamese leaders and their Soviet masters, we are certain that they will never succeed in conquering the Kampuchean people, whose precious liberation was achieved only three-and-a-half years ago after defeating U.S. imperialism and its puppets on the battlefield.>During the war of national liberation from 1970 to 1975, the Kampuchean people were in the front lines of the world struggle against U.S. imperialism. Today they are in the front lines of the fight against the Soviet imperialists who seek to dominate the entire world and their Vietnamese agents who pursue the aim of regional hegemonism in Southeast Asia.>We are not fooled by the Vietnamese efforts to conceal their aggression under the cloak of a puppet organization made up of a handful of Kampuchean traitors. We know that the entire Kampuchean nation is unified in its resolve to defeat the Vietnamese aggression, liberate the country once again, and carry forward the tasks of the socialist revolution.>We are also not fooled by the appearance of Vietnamese and Soviet military superiority. We know that the Revolutionary Army of Kampuchea and the Kampuchean people are at this very moment in the mountains, the jungle, and all parts of the countryside, ready to unfold a protracted people’s war which no aggressor will be able to survive.>We expect that the flag of oppression and domination which has been hoisted by the Vietnamese aggressors temporarily over Phnom Penh will not be able to fly for long. We have every confidence that the three gold towers on the field of red–the only flag that represents the Kampuchean people–will fly once again in Phnom Penh.>Our Party’s support for the Kampuchean people is unshakeable. We will do everything in our power to support you in your present struggle. >>2849615You sound like a poopoo peepee butthole. Since we're resorting to silly and baseless comparisons now.
>>2849653
The USA should leave immediately.
>>2849679
>muh patriots
>muh anarchists
>muh Rome
Immaculate Larp
Regardless of if you think random maoist guerilla have a future in our age, they probably don't, you do not counter-signal any ARMED leftist forces in big 2026.
If you do you are no better than the effete idpozzed BLM era academics.
We need soldiers and organized violence oriented people not armchair influencers like the ACP who's only "quality" is BEING NORMAL BRUH BRUH BRUH (who cares?) or edgy castrated third-worldists like badempanada who REALLY REALLY REALLY want a VIOLENT REVOLUTION NOW but draw the line at dead BROWN (!!) babies (what relevant communist ever gave a shit about this?).
>>2849679
the little vanguard of anarchists and maoists who run around for years brutalizing patriots and terrorizing business owners
damn sounds like they're cool as fuck
>>2849761Uighur he's clearly being sarcastic, cause western leftists haven't done any of those thigns
>>2849679
hWelcome back Juche Cult Schizo.
>>2849764>Uighur he's clearly being sarcastic, cause western leftists haven't done any of those thignsHe's a weirdo schizo who's been infesting the place for a little while now. Report him if you see him.
>>2849775
>>2849679
>burning rubbish
>shop fronts
Today i learned juchecultschizo is probably british or european and larping as an american.
>>2849772
Damn, they're even cooler then I thought, signing up right now! Thanks! <3
>>2849775
>But its attempt to reason with the anarchists — by highlighting how it is a struggling small business, locally owned and run entirely by women
> fuck you and your progressive small business
lmaooooo
>>2849772
I live in Pakistan and I know it's a law of nature that western leftists won't do jack shit.
>>2849780
>one guy exists therefore everything i say about the grand north korean supermeth fueled anarcho-maoist-juche vanguard cultist conspiracy is true
lol ok.
even if it is true, then they are based and death to america
>>2849754Like I said, the only real path is to create a political organization with an armed wing and gradually build up its strength, but not engage in open conflict with the government until the state becomes vulnerable. Hezbollah is probably the best living example of this the best histoical example is ironically the Haganah. You need to build command structures, train members in both conventional warfare and partisan tactics, establish intelligence networks, have multiple chapters, secure reliable arms and ensure that your members do not prematurely start a conflict.
>>2850128It's one guy using LLMs to talk to himself, he's been doing this same schtick for months
>>2849234>It's a third-world neo-patrimonial stateOh.. hello, welcome to leftypol, max weber!
>>2850174That's literally what it is
>>2849824Share bibliography motherfucker
>>2850396Honestly, it's pretty funny reading about the pre-IDF Armies. The Haganah spent a lot of its time trying to trad-wrangle the Irgun and Lehi in check, because those groups were constantly looking to provoke fights with the British and Arab governments. Their logic seemed to be that if they could just spark a wider conflict, Jews from around the world would inevitably rally to their cause. Meanwhile, the Haganah was taking the only realistic approach, spending years building up weapons stockpiles, training personnel and organizing a proper military force, all while knowing that it was still too weak to survive a direct confrontation with a European Army and therefore had to wait for the British to leave. only to have reckless nationalists on one side and what was basically a criminal gang of petty militants on the other who would have easily fucked it up.
>>2849142>industralization might never happen keeping large chunks of the world underdeveloped is also a functional strategy under capitalism that's simply not going to happen because that implies steady state equilibrium is possible. If that was true, then imperialism wouldn't be necessary in the first place, capitalism wouldn't have exported itself, and this situation wouldn't exist.
>>2849157>The fact that you think the only choices are cheering for an Army that doesn't exist or as you said, cheering for massacres of peasantsI never said this thoughbeit
>>2850452>that implies steady state equilibrium is possibleif anything that be more necessary for industrialization anon
>imperialism wouldn't be necessary in the first placeimperialism is literally the main reason why industrializaction took so long to happen in most of the world
>>2850541Steady state capitalism is
literally the hallmark of bourgeois economists, Marxist economists invariably argue that capitalism
must change over time, constantly relocating, redeciding, switching over.
>imperialism is literally the main reason why industrializaction took so long to happen in most of the worldcapitalism could have just set up in england once in a few towns and settled into a steady state equilibrium and then never needed to grow or expand out of that. The fact it is inefficient, wasteful, and slow, does not change the simple fact that it must constantly grow till it mutates the world on a yearly basis.
>>2849112Both Vietnam and Cuba ended up transitioning to a conventional army organization and defeated the enemy army directly. They didn't stick to guerrilla war. Only Algeria didn't need a conventional army to win because Vietnam effectively defeated the French military for them.
>>2850544>the hallmark of bourgeois economistsa group famously known for predictions never fulfilled
>it must constantly grow till it mutates the world on a yearly basiswich doesn't necesarily takes the form of industrialization
>>2850585You are quite noticeably ignoring the part where the latent reserve army of labor, which is an important element of keeping down wages, continouously shrinks. Which implies that over time, while industrialization does not necessarily happen at any one point, it must eventually happen.
>>2850550The Algerian strategy was also very specific. It was led by men who had served in the French military and understood exactly how the French Army operated. The wretched of the Earth and The Battle of Algiers have shaped and distorted many people's perception of the Algerian War. In reality, the FLN often focused on forcing the French into costly wild goose chases, drawing them into the desert, retreating across the border into neighboring Libya and making them expend enormous resources. Shooting out a tire was as valuable as killing a soldier because the objective was to wear down the French through constant attrition. The goal was to drain France's resources, damage its economy and make the war so expensive and unpopular that the French public would no longer support continuing it and that happened.
>>2850705>Shooting out a tire was as valuable as killing a soldier because the objective was to wear down the French through constant attritionThat's actually good to know. I think the same tactic will work against the US in the coming years.
>>2850749>>2850705It's also worth remembering that this was the same strategy the PLO adapted early on and it ultimately didn't work in the Palestinian context. Unlike the FLN that could retreat into vast deserts or remote terrain, Palestinian fighters could only fall back to Jordan and Syria. They also faced a much better-equipped Israeli military and Israel was able to carry out artillery strikes and cross-border raids.
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