For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of online left-wing politics. Bernie was about to win, Democratic socialism was the future, China would inevitably democratize and the old boring MLism was dead. A few DSA-backed candidates winning city council seats in already progressive districts was treated as if the Bolsheviks had just stormed the Winter Palace.
The most ridiculous part was that the supposed divide between the Dirtbag Left and the DSA left barely existed. They agreed on healthcare, labor, foreign policy, housing, policing and virtually every other major issue. The defining ideological conflict of the era was essentially whether you were allowed to make edgy 90's raunch comedy jokes on podcasts. Entire feuds and endless Twitter meltdowns emerged from a disagreement that amounted to "can you say slurs ironically?"
The confidence was incredible, leftist genuinely talked as if DSA-aligned leadership of every major American city was inevitable, as if Bernie was one good news cycle away from the White House and as if a handful of podcasts by stand up comedians had somehow cracked the code of political history.
In retrospect, it all seems absurd. There was never a realistic path to any of it. The movement's grandest ambitions had essentially zero chance of materializing.
Then reality intervened. Bernie lost, The post-COVID world arrivedm Housing crises worsened, Migration became politically explosive, Major wars returnedm China didn't democratize and instead looked increasingly capable of navigating long-term crises without becoming a Western liberal democracy and the assumptions underlying the entire scene collapsed one by one.
A lot of the old supporters ended up as tankies. A smaller but noticeable number drifted toward the far right. Sometimes they somehow became both at once. The aesthetic transformation is almost as funny as the political one, the old Dirtbag Left revolved around schlubby podcasters making jokes about being ironically gay, the people who inherited its audience are often obsessed with MMA, military history, geopolitical realism and posting shirtless workout photos. The few remaining loyalists seem to have finally realized that their politics were never meaningfully different from the DSA's in the first place and appear perfectly content settling into the role of ordinary progressive liberals.
What a strange, stupid little farce that was.
>/ISG/
Fuck off to /ISG/ with this horseshit
Good thread to be a especific ISG thread, lets dunk more on the DSA new left typos and mock them loool
>>2847692>>2847691>bothered to respond award>>2847690Stavros was skinny back then.
and not a single trot left their room in that timespan
>>2847690>A few DSA-backed candidates winning city council seats in already progressive districts was treated as if the Bolsheviks had just stormed the Winter Palace.Was it? seems like conjecture. by whom? name a few people who treated it this way and provide quotes. evidence? Seems to be lacking currently.
>>2848057Mostly by their fans on Reddit and Twitter. The dirtbag left hosts themselves were never especially deep into politics beyond wanting healthcare and a bit of Great Society liberalism, that was pretty much the extent of it. The more overtly political types tended to orbit Grayzone and there was a lot of crossover back then. It's those people who worked/wrote for Grayzone who eventually morphed into campist/trad types, now doing interviews with Nazi meatheads like Jake Shields
Notice how the dirtbag left was exclusively fleshtubers? Like I can't think of a single vtuber that got on that train
>>2847691>>2847692/ISG/ stuff should be it's own board rather than just a cyclical tbh.
>>2847690>leftist genuinely talked as if DSA-aligned leadership of every major American city was inevitable>China didn't democratize>noticeable number drifted toward the far rightSchizo thread.
>>2848413>fleshtubersit was podcasters
>>2848089>The dirtbag left hosts themselves were never especially deep into politics beyond wanting healthcare and a bit of Great Society liberalismMatt Christman of Chapo would literally ramble about semi-obscure (for normies) Communist historical figures like August Willich regularly if he wasn't tardwrangled by Will Menaker
imagine being so online that you call the overwhelming majority of people who appear on video as their real life selves without some kind of weeb or furry 3d rigged avatar "fleshtubers"
The Left Wing of Capital always reinvents itself and pretends to be brand new with new ideas. This has been happening for 150 years.
>>2848434Again, it applied to Grayzone writers(mostly the women for some reason)
>>2848482>the overwhelming majority of people who appear on video as their real life selvesHave you considered just showing the thing you're talking about? Like the video is about a thing, so show the thing? Like why should the viewer have to needlessly use the part of their brain that processes human faces (social data) looking right at them (instinctively registered as a threat) for extended periods of time, as well as waste the bandwidth on that (human faces are a video compression nightmare)
Like if you want the viewer to feel like they're talking to someone just use a fucking talksprite.
>>2848473>vtubers>mainstreamyou live in a bubble
>>2848568That was really fucking weird. All of the Grayzone women ended up marrying not just a little chuddy guys, but what were basically the platonic ideal of modern Fascists and reactionaries. I have no idea how that even happens. The most relevant example right now is Heather Kaiser, Joe Kent's second wife.
>>2848631My tech illiterate mom shows me vtuber stuff sometimes. She didn't even know what a vtuber was the first few times untill I mentioned it, she just sees a lil cartoon cat talking about horses or recipes on facebook and thinks it's fun.
Who here remembers the Chapo subreddit? Everyone would say cringe shit like "folks" and "y'all". But it was still a breath of fresh air since they didn't ban you for calling people "retard" or "bitch" unlike every single other cancerous communist sub.
>>2847690Some became retard anti-imperialists too
>>2848687After the Chapo subdreddit got banned, some of the users created a new site : hexbear.net
I was there in the initial days of that website. It was exactly as cringy and drama filled as you would expect. Today the site is almost dead (it used to be much more active than leftypol)
>>2848736>>2848687Most of them are on r/ShitLiberalsSay now, it's exactly the same atmosphere, Western leftists acting like they personally defeated the Nazis in WW2. Like this was their reaction to the firebomb Walmart tweet.
Makes you wish they remained demsocs
>>2848749
>what have we accomplished
>ussr
>to paraphrase disco elysium
Lmao. Infantile
My contempt for the terminally online grows every day
>>2848634It’s complicated, because in a lot of left-wing media spaces, the women who become the public ‘faces’ tend to be more conventionally attractive and normie-leaning, while less conventionally attractive women are often kept behind the scenes. I’m not saying this means they don’t genuinely believe in their politics or are just grifting, but it can still shape priorities and worldview. So outside of situations with a clear power imbalance, these women generally tend to pair up with partners who are also conventionally attractive and appear ‘normie’ on the surface, that's how you grayzone writers marrying guys like Joe Kent.
>>2848634>I have no idea how that even happens. The most relevant example right now is Heather Kaiser, Joe Kent's second wife.Grayzone promoted Joe Kent's campaign and she was also ex-military intelligence. Kash Patel has been one of their sources.
Max Blumenthal seems at least somewhat personally deranged and got into this American right-wing/libertarian, LaRouche adjacent nexus. One can't be too harsh because they can be on point about some things, and most journalists do get grafted onto something because that's the only way they can make money, but it does feel fishy. There's a faction of the American right-wing establishment courting and gathering left-wing voices to counter other imperialist factions. Same people who pushed Tulsi, phony popular left-right alliances, etc. They'll say a bunch of stuff that left anti-imperialists agree with it and then drop in something crazy like how Charlie Kirk was about to become the next Yahya Sinwar yeah sure bro.
This second tweet. Okay if you oppose Ukraine aid, that's fine in isolation. But Bowman was targeted by AIPAC which funded him out of office because of his opposition to Israeli policy. Liam Cosgrove is an Epoch Times guy. I don't believe in censoring people because of retweets or whatever, but the Grayzone are journalists, right? They know who these people are. I just don't trust it.
>>2848641>My tech illiterate mom shows me vtuber stuff sometimes. go talk to sportsball normies and church normies. your mom is not a good example because she's YOUR mom.
>>2848856>your mom is not a good example because she's YOUR mom.Fair point. Though I have seen quite a lot of vtubers cover horse racing stuff since Uma Musume came out, even stuff relating to horses not in that series. Horse racing is a sportsball. I wonder if we might see vtubers worm their way into other sports through that.
>>2848854>oh wait… you want to throw in a giant 3d rigged weeb avatar in the mix?It's preferable to fleshtubing, but I agree that ideally neither would be present.
>Oh so you're just recreating the "flesh" problem but even more distracting.How the hell is a vtuber
more distracting than a human face? They're clearly a cartoon so they don't activate threat mode when making eye contact with the viewer. Like a vtuber making eye contact in like a small mammal making eye contact.
SNCA
Irrelevant. Die.
Everyone cares about this. Relevant. Live.
>>2848925also I think a lot of people want flesh tubers simply so they can know it's not a CIA agent or AI voice talking to them. people want a name and a face so you can look up the person, look into their background, etc,
personally I hate that because it kills the anonymity of the early wild west internet, but it's increasingly necessary with glowies and AI taking over everything.
>>2848983>also I think a lot of people want flesh tubers simply so they can know it's not a CIA agent […] talking to them.I'm much more inclined to assume a fleshtuber is a CIA or think tank agent due to the sheer number of them that turned out to be. Like that very notion makes fleshtubing itself a suspicious act in contrast to a mere voice over.
It's like if a program says "No Virus" on the download page. A reputable program wouldn't need to insist such.
>AI voiceSeeing flesh doesn't lower my suspicion of that either. When a fleshtuber comes on my feeds it's a 1/32 chance that's a deepfake trying to let my guard down, or 1/16 chance it's someone using an LLM to write their scripts in a way that's difficult to decern from regular algorithmspeak for the first 10 seconds.
Also I personally don't really mind TTS when it's something obvious like espeak or vocaloid since it's not much different from just reading text with a screen reader. I understand why TTS is usually a turnoff for people tho, even just from a UX perspective.
>people want a name and a face so you can look up the person, look into their background, etc,That mindset is probably part of why I have such a viceral reaction to fleshtubers: it normalizes and creates expectation for self-doxxing as a default. It not only does nothing to deter glowies, but pushes out most non-glowies from spaces it's expected in. The notion itself glows, really. You figure out what glows with critical thinking skills. Using seeing flesh as a crutch is an openly declared vulnerability and shouldn't be tolerated.
>>2849033those are good points. i still would rather people just present information without any physical form. fleshtubing and vtubing are both cringe
>Dirtbag Left
The only people who used that term were the radlibs and libs who were trying to scare people of the alt-left, then renamed it to Dirtbag Left (when alt-left didn't caught on afterwords) to also bitch at people for follow the idpol dogma for twitter radlibs
>>2849278Regardless of its origins, it was clearly a noticeable social trend. It was basically a bunch of upper-middle-class failchildren who agreed on 99% of politics. They agreed on virtually every political issue imaginable, the only thing they could work themselves into a feud over was over whether ironic, raunchy gay jokes were acceptable.
>>2849366>Regardless of its originsit lived and died by it's origins; And the only people who used it during it's short run were
online leftist who were dumb enough to use the oblivious trap or outsider who change there ideology afterwards when it was a less popular term to milk like red scare.
Pretty sure Cumtown was about bullying Adam and had nothing to do with politics.
But who cares, i'm gay.
>>2848736the newsthread aint bad but its practically a different site
>>2848413>Notice how the dirtbag left was exclusively fleshtubers?probably the stupidest observation you could possibly make tbh
>>2848736>I was there in the initial days of that website.I liked it during the initial days and built good rapport with some of the initial players, one of which got accused of grooming or whatever, vanished, and then the place went to shit really fast when it became a soapbox for literally three users.
>>2849562>>2849589>>2849595No wonder Hasan ended up being the only guy from online leftist politics who actually got anywhere. Everyone else was either making BreadTube video essays about how children’s movies from the 2000s were secretly socialist or they were degens like this.
>>2849606The political right has had the opposite problem, too many meatheads, Instagram models and CTE-ridden martial artists and too few writers, original thinkers, or independent political organizers.
>>2849606Adam Friedland has a show where he interviewed a raging Zionist politician and pushed back on his narrative at every step. It's astounding that him of all the people on cumtown is the most successful. It almost makes me proud of the little bug.
Stav has a decent following and a boring podcast, but he collabs with hasan quite a bit.
Nick is my best friend.
>>2849610Stav is much bigger (lol) than Adam and Nickm purely in terms of numbers and followers he is vastly more popular.
>>2849613Let me know when Stav gets anyone with wikipedia page longer than 2 scrolls on his podcast, or gets material beyond crowd work for 40 minutes.
>>2849606>No wonder Hasan ended up being the only guy from online leftist politics who actually got anywhere.hasan had every single thing going for him: he's related to media people, went to a good school and interned at some CIA thing, he's consistent with his schedule, has monetized practically every waking hour of his day, isn't afraid of compromising his politics a little bit for insider access into the democratic party machine and is incredibly hot. from the chapos the only one who has sort of glowie connections is will menaker, every single chapo has strictly separated their podcast from their personal life, and the chapos pretty much wanted nothing to do with dems after canvassing for bernie, thus they were cast aside. people here don't believe me but they would have been insanely big IF bernie had won the primary, they would've been A LOT more cozy with power.
>>2849620>they would have been insanely big IF bernie had won the primaryThat's kind of my personal alt-history scenario, the one I've thought about the most. I don't even care that much about the geopolitical side of it. What I'm interested in how much it would have changed popular culture, the political battle would've shifted almost entirely to mainstream liberals versus a loose mix of Bernie supporters and trolls who mostly just wanted to annoy liberals. That dynamic already existed in real life, but in either of those scenarios I think it would've become the defining political conflict in the late 2010's.
>>2849606there's no incentive to be anything but a grifter. the deprogram guys are a bit to the left of hasan but they aren't as chadly and charismatic.
>>2849718hakim absolutely does not carry himself well, second thought is vague, overproduced and uncontroversial enough to carry his 2m (the majority of which, let's face it, are socdem/demsoc types) and yugopnik seems to be a fair bit more personable and (following that) takes himself a little less seriously
i haven't paid attention in about half a decade but last i remember he makes it no secret he's balls deep stalin/nk/gadaffi/tianamen/etc. truth which just isn't going to catch on
>>2849745>i haven't paid attention in about half a decade but last i remember he makes it no secret he's balls deep stalin/nk/gadaffi/tianamen/etc. truth which just isn't going to catch onOn his twitter he has frequent crossover with ACP types and he does seem sympathetic to nationalist causes
>>2849766strange route to go down considering how much hasan's taken a liking to him, it's not like they can offer him much
>>2849748weird how someone with such fringe opinions is so uncombative
>>2849610That interview was something else, it was like talking to a lizard.
>>2849606Pretty easy to get big in "the business" when you dickride zionist democrats
only read first sentence, TRVE! tho
>>2849629>What I'm interested in how much it would have changed popular culture, the political battle would've shifted almost entirely to mainstream liberals versus a loose mix of Bernie supporters and trolls who mostly just wanted to annoy liberals.Nothing much would have changed. Anybody with any type of socialist/anti-imperialist convictions that refused to sell out would have been pushed out of the spotlight by the literal CIA plants that made up Breadtube.
>>2848751>Makes you wish they remained demsocsI just want to skip to where these people get over their commie phase altogether and end up like Van Jones. I'm tired of idiots wasting their time trying to recreate the New Communist Movement but even more deranged. At least do something DIFFERENT for once.
These Bernie radlibs are still with us, they just went in the following trajectory the last couple of years:
Bernie coping -> clinical depression / disregarding Bernie's call to vote for Hillary, then Biden -> Coping with spectacles, Japan soyfacing turns into China soyfacing -> Hasanabi clicking, donating -> Voting for the Democrats (Bernie/AOC/Mamadani/Platner/Stavros/Piker Industrial Compex)
>>2849796It seems so, yet somehow not of the stupid variety that punches towards MLM
Which frankly makes him even
more commendable
>>2847690Is it true that DSA is anti-gun or is it just rightoid propaganda?
>>2855251Some became third-worldists to cope
I don't know what China really has to do with it at all but we are clearly trapped in the cycle with Mamdami. People should have learned its a sham by now but we can't seem to get seem past the impulse to "takeover" the democrats when its is clearly the democrats sheepdogging you.
>>2855251> Japan soyfacing turns into China soyfacing ?????
i think you're getting your subcultures mixed up, there's no necessary link between weebs and bernie bros and china dickriders.
>>2855558All the "greatest minds" of "ML" (whatever that even means to retards anymore) in the anglosphere will let you know, beamed into your retinas.
1.
>>2855558
>>2848793
Thanks for the Grayzone-Patel collab! I had forgotten about that!
>>28556073*
u sure bout that?
>Hasan Piker: One Piece is the Most Political Anime Every Madehttps://youtu.be/WMXaOfTfQUE>Hasan sings Red Sun in the Sky (but in Japan this time)https://youtu.be/Q-nwU2a3JmM>[Hasan reacts to AI of him as Mao singing Red Sun in the Sky by saying "yoo" and "this is soo sick!"] https://youtu.be/kE9mfXj9x_M >>2855263The DSA itself doesn't really have a stance on it, but there's overlap of the DSA and Socialist Rifle Association.
>>2856098>>[Hasan reacts to AI of him as Mao singing Red Sun in the Sky by saying "yoo" and "this is soo sick!"] One of the most insufferable things about him is the pathalogical need to watch and react to anything that mentions or contains him. This guy will watch any piece of media he's referenced in. Any piece of media about him. He'll watch hour+ long interviews OF HIMSELF without a hint of irony.
It's honestly insane.
>>2856475I am sorry but what? At the time when this clip happened Hasan already was the most watched American streamer by total watch hours for several years.
>>2849745>overproducedSo that's why his channel is having financial issues.
>>2856475what put him on the map is his uncle is chunk yogurt of the young turks, also he dated porn stars
>>2856098>u sure bout that? cuz hasan said blah blah blahyour random example doesn't mean anything statistically significant
>>2856415part of getting a lot of attention is being a narcissist and this guy's job is to get attention and give attention to the things giving him attention
>>2856415>streamer is a narcissistI mean isn't it practically a requirement of the job? put yourself on camera and yap for hours, gotta have a significant ego or you probably wouldn't bother doing it except as a hobby
Looks the dirtbag left LEFT to get the BAG ($$$).
>>2856792Don't go into debt for your daddy who doesnt know you exist now. gl bud
>>2856475what put him on the map is saying america deserved 7/11
>>2849718>cruise ships cause more emissions then carsEither he is completely ignorant on this or wilfully misrepresenting shit.
The fact that wokeness just about disappeared after Trump's reelection kinda reinforces that we all never actually believed in it
>>2847690It needed to happen. It was part of the nascent left breaking from neoliberals.
>>2893069I think some paper years ago said cargo ships emit more so2 or nitrogen oxides than millions of cars and then through a game of telephone people said it releases more co2 than millions of cars, or all cars. I'm not sure, though.
>For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of Reddit
fixed it for you.
the real "pinnacle of left-wing politics" is always right now, this present moment in time, because true social progress isn't measured by the random eccentricities of the cultural zeitgeist but by what humans actually learn about themselves and the world which cannot be unlearned. if ever we repeat the mistakes of the past then it means we didn't really learn anything, we just thought we did and we were being arrogant and overconfident in our own abilities and myopic about what was really going on in the world. there's a reason why white liberals were shocked and apalled and literally breaking down into tears and hanging themselves when trump got elected, whilst immigrants and poor black people were not the least bit surprised and it was just business as usual to them.
>>2903832Your right, but I always associated dirtbag left with twitter more then reddit.
being a leftoid isn't fun any more
>>2903832dirtbag left wasn't welcome on reddit, what are you talking about. r/chapotraphouse constantly shat on lib subreddits, summoned users from lib subreddits by tagging them, called the podcast hosts reactionaries, and called for the destruction of amerikkka and the two party system. the entirety of reddit was more triggered by r/cth than by the_donald and so they banned both at the same time in an appearance to be "centrist"
>>2904295it's been 7 years, move on
>>2903780What the fuck is "wokeness" and who's "we"? Are you talking about progressive liberal appropriation of BLM?
>>2904330gay sex with your dad, the funniest shit they could think off.
Yeah I'm thinkin I'm off
>>2905911I was always a fan, but there are a lot of shitty parts because while being one of the most popular podcasts at the time, it was also easily the most low effort one with them never preparing anything. I don't think I would ever listen to an entire episode again and most others probably feel the same seeing how popular clips of the show are.
>Like, I remember seeing this post from a cumtown fan who got a job, did a few bits thinking he’d be hilarious and everyone just called him a faggot instead.There is an epidemic of people who think they are Nick Mullen because of the pod sadly.
>>2905929>while being one of the most popular podcasts at the timeFor urban Brooklynites and wannabe Brooklynites, Joe Rogan was probably still 10'000 times more viewed followed by some true-crime podcast.
>>2905933I'm sure there were plenty more popular shows but it did impressive numbers
>During its run, it was consistently one of the most popular podcasts on Patreon and at its 2022 conclusion was one of the top 25 comedy podcasts on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. >>2905929nick Mullen is someone that's funny to listen to, but unbearable to be around and his worshippers are all just as unbearable without being funny.
>>2905941>one of the most popular podcasts on PatreonAnyone paying Patreon for a comedy podcast of gay jokes is not someone I would take seriously as a human. Again It's Brooklynites and wannabe Brooklynites who were probably already interested in those politics or who were George Carlin types and might otherwise have become annoying libertarians, but are now shitlibs.
I think looking at the actual popular podcasts gives us a better idea of trends in general culture and the direction of society. Even niche subcultures that produce objective results like the DSA are still worthwhile to examine. The Dirtbag Left basically gave us nothing but annoying people on twitter with handles like “Gay Simpsons cum fart”
>>2905943He’s entertaining in small doses, but those same jokes about being gay and giving blowjobs feel pretty stale, it’s not even about the progressive aspect. It's just gay.
>>2848458What is going on?
>>2905944The popularity of the Dax Shepard podcast is honestly fucking funny, because half of it seems to be built around the novelty of Dax, a moderately successful, older actor interviewing other actors who are sometimes more successful than him and sometimes considerably less, alongside his co-host Monica Padman.
Monica is a younger actress who originally came on as a producer and editor and ended up becoming the other main co-host. She brings a younger actress’s perspective to the show, while also bringing in younger actors, influencers and other guests. But the other half of the podcast’s popularity seems to be this bizarre parasocial obsession with Dax and Monica’s co-dependent relationship and endless speculation about what the fuck is going on between them.
Dax literally had her house built right next door to his. Monica has said she doesn’t date anymore since becoming a co-host. Dax revealed his relapse with pills to Monica before he told his own wife. He’s openly said that he holds his wife, his children, and Monica at the same level of importance. He constantly calls her “kid.” And the whole dynamic has this bizarre fetishistic power imbalance. Dax is older, significantly more successful, vastly richer and so much bigger then she is. This is what people actually care about and find interesting rather then weird gay jokes, the love life and relationships of Dax Shepard.
>>2905911Yeah name dropping cum town or doing mullen esque bits IRL is definitely a faux pas but cum town was good for what it was: a niche internet hangout for online nerds.
>>2906109If you talked to a normal guys like this, you would get beaten up and or get called a faggot.
>>2905953>Dax literally had her house built right next door to his. Monica has said she doesn’t date anymore since becoming a co-host. Dax revealed his relapse with pills to Monica before he told his own wife. He’s openly said that he holds his wife, his children, and Monica at the same level of importance. He constantly calls her “kid.” And the whole dynamic has this bizarre fetishistic power imbalance. Dax is older, significantly more successful, vastly richer and so much bigger then she is. Hot
>>2906128Any of the jokes and humour, 99% of it would get you beaten up.
>>2906139And that relationship drama involving a moderately popular actor has had more impact than the entire Dirtbag left combined.
Even if they had said everything right and even if they had funding and connections, the Dirtbag left was doomed to fail because they were inherently inauthentic.
Look at the actual most popular podcasts
>>2905944 Despite their various forms of schizophrenia, low-autism score, violence and conspiracy theories. they are popular because they are authentic to themselves. They are either dumb meatheads (Joe Rogan, Huckerman, Theo) who genuinely embody what they are, genuinely charismatic and attractive men and women(the kind of people who don't have to cope through comedy and irony) talking with other attractive popular normies(Dax and Smosh) or they are simply insanely religious fanatics who speak with absolute conviction in their beliefs and delusions, calling their enemies opponents of God and demon worshippers (Tucker and Candace).
All of that will always beat detached irony by a million to one in terms of popularity. People are drawn to conviction, authenticity, charisma and the sense that someone genuinely believes what they're saying. Detached irony will never compete with that kind of visceral commitment.
>>2906124I genuinely don’t understand how a guy like Nick can even exist in the real world. Like, even when he’s talking about his friend’s horrendous health issues, he literally cannot be serious for even two seconds. Stav is obviously wrong for downplaying his issues instead of actually making an effort to fix himself, but he’s completely right about Nick never being able to take anything seriously and says says everything in a mocking tone, like he physically cannot have a normal conversation. And every podcast clip I’ve seen of him is exactly like this. Like, how has this man never gotten punched in the face or at least threatened?
Fundamentally the SJWs come out of that period looking the best
Can't believe I could've spent 2012-2019 as a Tumblr transhumanist webcomic artist instead of being a 4chan repper wasting his life away while thinking he's so much smarter than everyone else for avoiding being cringe by avoiding living at all.
>>2907392Like right now in Siberia there's a Rowling hate thread and the equivalent of trans cutie thread. You guys are the old chapo sub.
Cumtown and chapo used to be good like, nine to eight years ago, now its dsa madami slop, not impossible that they have been psyoped, now adam is hosting the drug addicted lumpen rapist son of the president of the empire, who lied and aided in the gazan genocide, adam is now nothing but a lowely pathetic bug that eats nothing but dust.
So much blood has beeen spilled for new generation to come up with new idpol issues to argue about . Ist really sad and 50 years too late to argue about cultural preferces.
>>2907392>>2907393Whether people like to admit it or not, they influenced online alt-left humor, which really isn’t taken from the right so much as it is from stand-up and shock-jock traditions.
Shock-jock humor is edgy, offensive and smarmy but it’s also inherently neurotic, self-deprecating and cowardly. It’s not really the kind of humor you’d ever see from a confident or well-adjusted guy. it’s the kind of humor you’d associate with someone who could get his ass handed to him by literally anyone else.
>>2907396Stav literally bragged about how he voted for Madami for Assemblyman over some Greek woman.
You just sound like you have a recency/hipster bias.
>>2907708>Shock-jock humor is edgy, offensive and smarmy but it’s also inherently neurotic, self-deprecating and cowardly.I'm not sure what you mean by this but maybe I'm not too familiar with ye old shock jocks. I agree the dirtbag left has (or had) a kind of passive edginess, like the "safe" anti-Italian racism, or the "safe" horniess of wanting women to step on their balls or whatever, but the shock jock would just be racist and chauvinist, I thought.
>>2908962>I'm not sure what you mean by this but maybe I'm not too familiar with ye old shock jocksYou know that 99% of those guys are wimps who act like the biggest faggots in the world when anyone physically threatens them.
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