Why did marxist-liberalism fail? Literally 95% of marxist-leninist states all shat themselves and died and modern ml's havent learned anything at all from the failures and spend all their time seething about trotsky and simping for the capitalist class of non-western countries.
It’s a revisionist twist of a Leninism, which is a revisionist twist of Communist ideology. It was doomed from the start.
>>2847697Call me when your bullshit leads to something other than Chaz or the paris commune (19th century CHAZ)
>>2847699Excuse me Mr. tried, tested, and failed? You weren’t supposed to do your bullshit in the place.
And leads to anything else? The fuck. Why the fuck are you even here, you phony fucking communist? Communism isn’t a state of things to establish you stupid fucker.
>>2847703The most revolutionary thing to do is be completely passive and silently watch history like a fucking catholic bearing witness and praying but more smug, awesome, I love marxism. Fucking Islamists tower above leftcoms.
>>2847710>The most revolutionary thing to do is be completely passive and silently watch history like a fucking catholic bearing witness and praying but more smugNo one fucking said this you stupid piece of shit.
>Fucking Islamists tower above leftcoms.Of course you’d praise reactionaries, what else would I expect? Something in line with actual communist thinking? Of course not.
>>2847713They were retarded proudhonists that deserved to not just lose, but get their treatler city razed
>>2847712Hamas did more to move history with lawnmower paragliders than you or your “movement” ever will
>>2847715There were Proudhonists and Blanquists, yes, but there were also Internationalists (Marxists( and the programme the commune set out to do was wholly Internationalis (Marxist). Proudhonism and Blanquism never really led the commune, even if the participants were Produhonists and Blanquists.
*Internationalist = 1st Internationale
>>2847719Their city was built off the backs of Algerians and Vietnamese, I don’t want to hear it
>>2847715>>2847716You don’t even desire communism, nor have any intention to move towards it, so stfu.
>>2847720Maybe Versailles, not Paris. Still not an argument.
>>2847716By getting slaughtered on mass in an ethno-nationalist war against other ethno-nationalists.
This is what ml's think communisn is about lmao.
>>2847720>Their city was built off the backs of Algerians and Vietnamesewhat the fuck are you talking about? 18 century paris built on colonialism in indochina and algeries?? get your history in order dumbass
>>2847728We’re talking about 19 century Paris you idiot, Parisian CHAZ was 1873
>>2847730and colonialism only started with the berlin congess…
>>2847726Engels called for the genocide of “reactionary races” in response to slavs opposing 1848, I’m only continuing that tradition
>>2847727
>I desire communism
No you fucking don’t. You don’t even comprehend the concept. You’re just some of stupid reactionary/revisionist ethno-nationalist piece of shit who go lost.
>>2847733Your entire lifestyle is dependent on imports of everything, you’ve never used a tool to make a product in your life
>>2847732>reactionary racesYeah so islamists gazans need to be culled.
>>2847738No it’s zionists, euroids, and everyone sharing their politics
>>2847736>Your entire lifestyle is dependent on imports of everything, you’ve never used a tool to make a product in your lifeOkay? And?
>>2847740No those are developed progressive races
Everyone else is regressives who cant do anything without copying all their technology from them.
>>2847741You’re not a proletarian and never will be, communism is against
YOUR CLASS INTERESTS, which is why you peddle an academic, toothless, “marxism” that is designed specifically to never take power or affect reality. That would disturb your overlycomfortable lifestyle.
>>2847743That “development” and “progress” was founded on rape and theft, you’re a viking
>>2847744I'm going with a bit of both.
Just self-aware enough to know it will trigger the board, just dumb enough to feel he is also maybe right.
>>2847745>You’re not a proletarian and never will be>communism is against YOUR CLASS INTERESTSBased on what metrics
>which is why you peddle an academic, toothless, “marxism” that is designed specifically to never take power or affect realityI don’t actually
>That would disturb your overlycomfortable lifestyleDefine overlycomfortable
>>2847745Communism is also against class interest of proletariat. Class interest cant transcend the class system. You should read Marx more carefully.
>>2847749>Based on what metricsYou’re a westerner
>I don’t actuallyYour marxism is western marxism
>Define overlycomfortableAnyone in the west with housing
>>2847750The proletariat’s class interests are in its self abolition
>>2847751>You’re a westernerVague
>Your marxism is western marxismI don’t have marxism, I have communism
>Anyone in the west with housingLet me guess, you never heard of personal property before.
>>2847754Your “communism” is built off colonial plunder and rape
>>2847746No such thing.
Regressevies races happened to be squatting on useful land and progressive races created and developed progressive forces and development out of them.
>>2847752No it isnt. It is in the interest of individual members of proleyariat in order to fulfill their needs. Class interest of proletariat on the other hand is reformist, higher wages, lower working hours, etc.
>>2847756Both of those were good things. You should read marx.
>>2847757Hamas will slit your throat
>>2847756Explain in detail
>>2847759I’m not reading a euroid that never accomplished anything. Mao towers over Marx.
>>2847762I work in a factory, you don’t.
>>2847761Europe doesn’t have its own coffee, sugar, tobacco, if it relied on its own oil from the north sea you would be electricityless in a month
>>2847763What did Mao accomplish besides Liberal industrialization
>>2847764And whered you get the phone you're posting this on?
>>2847766Leading an army in battle, his military accomplishments are greater than Napoleon
>>2847764>I polute environment to make useless shit for my boss to sellCongratulations.
>>2847767If you can’t make your economy work as autarky, you cannot physically be communist
>>2847772
Hamas is all the colonized world, they’ll have their revenge
>>2847773Then no country in the world can be communist.
>>2847771You can’t even spell pollute, may all your forests become parking lots
>>28477742 more weeks of reactionary liberal wars lmao
Tard thread full of tards that will very quickly reach 600 posts of incoherent screeching.
>>2847775The global south can, because that’s where the resources are, europe and japan are naturally feudal and will regress to feudalism
>>2847778You literally served in the Canadian rape army, I don’t wanna hear it
>>2847770And why would I give a shit about “military accomplishments”?
>>2847781He also wrote beautiful poetry
>>2847779The global south is not a country they are all reliant on imports and the global south has been entirely reliant on the north for all technologies for industrialization they even have to import their own anti-imperialist ideology from them too lmao.
>>2847782Why would I care about handcrafts?
>>2847780The funny part is that I'm actually much closer to your side than the leftKKKoms, but this place has turned into a fetid swamp populated by chattering apes.
>>2847783The global south is “reliant” on finished products that are made with their stolen raw materials, when China through BRI puts factories in the global south they can cut all ties to EuroAmeriJapan and tell them to get fucked
>>2847784>first worldist is a philistineLol
>>2847786China cant literally do anything without western technology to copy and steal.
>>2847787Okay artisan lover
>>2847788The western firms that went to China literally signed contracts telling them they’d be sharing the blueprints for their tekkknology. Maybe they should have taken their own advice and read the fine print.
>>2847788>chynah is stealing ze western wunderwaffendid leftypol.org started to attract retarded neocons?
>>2847789>poets are artisans and make physical craftsFor an academic you sure are stupid
>>2847792>poems can’t be handcrafted >poets aren’t skilled labor Dumb
>>2847790Yeah china is still reliant on copying everything europe and america does.
>>2847799Who invented gunpowder and poetry again?
>>2847794You were confusing poetry with pottery earlier don’t deny it
>>2847802They did it without any colonies to rape, what’s your excuse for falling behind them?
>>2847805You rape as you breathe muzungu
>>2847803There’s nothing to deny. Cope.
>>2847809You thought Mao made pots because you can’t read
>>2847807The average chinese makes less money than an argentinian lol.
And their development was completely reliant on trade with the west they were entirely reliant on reaping the benefits of imperialism trough a middle-man.
And the entirety of chinese history has been about them expanding and colonizing non chinese land assimilating and settling han chinese people without it china would be 60% smaller than it is today.
>>2847810Whatever helps you sleep at night
>>2847808Pure Projection.
>>2847812They turned first worlders into reliant addicts dependent on their good will
>>2847812Good, mongols should have reached your ancestors
>>2847818Nah they made themselves entirely reliant on participation in the global capitalist system without global exports their economy would collapse.
As china develops its export ability decreases as labor costs rise and western companies begin and already have begin moving their factories to other even poorer countries. Chinese companies have begun doing the same aswell lol.
>>2847822They’re developing their own productive forces and those in every BRI country such that in 10 years they’ll be able to completely isolate and blockade AmeriEuroIsraelPan
>>2847823You heard me AmeriEuroIsraelPanese
>>2847842In 10 years they'll be exporting all their productive forces to vietnam and ethiopia same as the west already did to china lol
>>2847844Correct, they’re switching to a service based consumption economy but not based in colonial genocide and rape, they’re you but better and will always be better than you
>>2847847>service based consumption economy but not based in colonial genocide and rape, Yeah one entirely reliant on others to do the raping for them and then extract the profits trough a middleman china is the west but average chinese is even poorer and dying out even faster.
>>2847851Chinese consumption is entirely ethical and not based in exploitation, your consumption is based in rape
Because the government managing capitalism isn't socialism.
Thirdie worldists tongue my anus.
>>2847853>Chinese consumption is entirely ethical and not based in exploitationchinese consumption is entirely based on the exploitation of chinese low wage workers so they can produce and sell stuff to westerners.
And as china develops soon its consumption will be based on the exploitation of other poorer countries workers to make stuff cheaply so they can sell consumer goods to their own populace.
>>2847861China is a communist society, exploitation doesn’t happen there
>>2847862>China is a communist societyNot by any definiton
>exploitation doesn’t happen thereThen there wouldnt be 1 100 billionaries and 170 million minimun wage workers in china.
>>2847868This is just seething anon
>>2847870Rightful seething anon
>>2847894No, it’s just seething
Socialist imperialism is the way. The turd world is ruled by despots, plutocrats, slavers and religious fundamentalists. Our armies shall conquer and plunder all reactionary hellholes and establish the World Socialist Empire
It was a state "ideology" whose main point was "The Communist Party of the Soviet Union should be in charge forever and every other communist state should follow its orders" rather than anything meaningfully revolutionary. It was just imperialism with a red coat of paint to make it look better than regular imperialism and it was so effective as a psyop that despite collapsing catastrophically as a power bloc, its adherents still exist and fall for it to this day.
>>2847720Retard Sakai lmao
>>2847720Hilarious that thridie worldistsuyghurs think this is somewhat of a relevant argument lmao
>>2847716Hamas are controlled by Israel lol
>>2847727
Reported for /pol/
>N-no
Callig for genocide us against the rules, doubleuyghur.
>>2847720>city founded in 400 bc was built entirely by viets over a decadeleftKKKoms cannot hope to respond
I don't understand the argument "ML is superior because it was more relevant for 70 years than [other ideology]".
Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to an ideology even more powerful than ML, that surpassed every other ideology for the past 250 years:
LIBERALISM
Liberalism currently rules the world. It can adapt endlessly despite repeated economic crises, and in fact, crises give opportunities for liberalism to strengthen itself and modify its own ideology according to new conditions, like a feedback loop.
What ML states did after 70 years? That's right, they liberalized their economy and adopted markets. Liberalism is the logical conclusion of ML.
Don't be afraid to join the winners of history, and don't forget to pay your respects to Trump and Macron.
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