>>2851806>Idk, I feel like this is an argument we'd be having in 2016. Like there are people who still do that woke-PC stuff (and the people who do are also among the most cruel and cutthroat people, which is why corporate ladder climbers like it). You're joking, right? The first half of the 2020s has genuinely been a heyday for anti-White male discrimination. After BLM that shit disseminated into the real world so hard that it became ubiquitous and its messaging became a constant background everywhere like the poster Havel's greengrocer has to put up (and for the same reasons). The only people receiving corporate jobs right now still are White women with "lazy girl" and "scrum" garbage jobs, loud annoying Black and Hispanic women with long nails that have Bachelor's degrees but can barely string a sentence together and a horde of H1b Indians cutting costs while the Mechanical Turk that is LLMs are blamed.
>But so many people are just sick to death of being nagged about that shit. You sound like the biggest boomer ever. Wokeness is dead, bro! What have cracKKKas got since this cope rolled out with Trump's second term? Joe Rogan? A complete Jewish bait and switch by Zion Don the child raping orange Epstein?
Think about this from the perspective of some retarded right-wing boomer or gen X White guy. Everything the orange Epstein promised you has not materialised at all, in fact the opposite of it has. Mass deportations? No more Zionist wars in the Middle East? Manufacturing being resuscitated and the cost of living improving? The faggots on Trump's cabinet have not done anything to avert the total disempowerment of cracKKKas in America but have instead gone on a Jewish power trip using whatever favour they curried up with the public as fuel for a Talmudic golem of an administration. The internet is a completely dead bot and Indian-infested shithole, X and Instagram are now "based" because of Zionist pedo billionaires like Zuckerberg, Thiel and Elongated Muskrat so you can butcher mid-2010s imageboard cancer culture and wear it as a skinsuit. MAGAtards, looksmaxxing, 5 second-long "redpill" clips on this or that group are all a festering corpse of it being eaten by a starving down syndrome retard that's half-Mexican and half-Indian. Over a long enough timescale it inevitably degenerates into interpersonal drama between professional grifters and brown self improoovement scams.
It seems like after receiving this shit sandwich marketed as "conservatism" (which is gay and conserves nothing anyway), the backlash against the "right wing dudebro tech billionaire White men" is already beginning, and in practice it will be another round of wokeness to even further destroy the cultural standing and prospects of working-class White men in countries they keep running.
>And it's like, where's the anti-white messaging here? Tell me why I shouldn't expect an even worse bait and switch than the orange pedophile when you already have people in the rank-and-file of the DSA talking about abolishing America and White people like this one Rachel Dolezal looking bitch. In at most a generation these people are perfectly set up to mint a whole political class of American Julius Malemas.
> it's about building some grand, utopian alternative to capitalism, but more simply because there's a first-person plural aspect about what the collective "we" should be doing as a country in the sense of values and goalsThat's retarded, the West will continue to wither on the vine until extreme structural change is made. The entire incentive structure of late-stage capitalist society is totally fucked up, why do you think retarded sociopaths who religiously assert complete fantasies about "structural racism" at their JP Morgan LGBTQIA+ inclusive job are able to make normal people hang their heads and shut their mouths?
Values and goals matter even less when you realise most people won't even hold them silently and grumble a little when forced to betray them for a pittance. Whether the future demographic composition of the country (up to 60% muds for newborns) purports to care about the important abstract tenets of intersectional feminism or working-class solidarity is irrelevant. Half of them are functionally illiterate and they see themselves as being the beneficiaries of the capitalist system when it enslaves them with symbolic DEI concessions. They will put Whitey's head on the end of a pitchfork if they are told they will get a sinecure desk job staring at LLM outputs to pay for their pod apartment and Air Jordans, because socialism is when we equal and have programs and shit.
All actually successful long-term communities that embody a sense of a collective "we" with values and goals are actually serious and have something in common, usually ethnic or religious. You once again sound like a conservaboomer from 2016 telling me about how America (and every other Western country) is a "propositional nation" built on "values".
> At the same time I think there's a lot more individual expression among the working class, the culture is a lot more anti-authoritarian than ideologues on the left or right want to believe. These "anti-authoritarian individuals" (bussin broccoli hairs, Cholos, White trash who only care about "muddin" and sportsball and African-American disadvantaged rocket scientists) will continue to unseriously sit there and go "mayne fuck da man mayne" until you literally shove the barrel of a rifle in their faces and tell those stupid subhumans to start digging ditches. Maybe this is why modern commies in the West jerk off over the turd world so much and call all first world poors lumpens (as if the entire third world's population aren't basically meat automatons even moreso).
>More direct, more a sense of handling your own problems (that's agency), but also backing up friends in a fight. But also making real friends.How, by being a "hustler"? By being a 90 autism score Mexican that pays for looksmaxxing courses off of X and molests your 200 cousins? These people are lemmings only out for themselves, when Rachel Dolezal in a hijab shows up and says we're going to kill all White men and grind all White children into pink chicken nugget slime these retards are going to go "ey foo lets go get our stuff mayne!" You realise that we are getting more atomised and low-trust in the West all the time, right? You are talking in a way that sounds like a debate between George Bush and Bill Clinton or some shit. What is the point of jerking off your little Millennial micropenis to "values" and "shared moral goals" when the average person is an ugly hylic subhuman animal that would slit your throat for a big arch and thinks this is rugged individualism?
You can say, "well DEI is da libruls we are the real left" and sure, but how come this shit still has you by the balls even at the farthest left points of the Overton Window? In fact, it seems to have the left by the balls even more there where they think Israel is an evil White supremacist state and that's why it needs to be destroyed (like America). This kind of anti-idpol socialism sort of feels like a pipe-dream last believed in by Millennials when the internet and the country was just a little bit Whiter, higher-trust and less brainrotted, like Ron Paul Libertarianism, the NAP or some other highly abstract and moral vision of the world which requires a high-trust society with strong organisational capabilities to actually implement and not have it be an excuse to grift and rob bitch ass uyghas like a third world caudillo.