/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Also mamdani was basically a piggy, or at least comes from a piggy family

Marx and Engels were bourgeois. Well, Marx was impoverished once exiled in London, but he at least came from a bourgeois family and married into an aristocratic family. Both Marx and Jenny were estranged from their families. Jenny was estranged for marrying a non-aristocratic Jew, and Marx was estranged for his Atheism and politics.

He didnt mean progressive as in socially progressive so the B&J guys don't count because ice cream isnt very important.
Dario and Bezos are progressive bourgeois. Otherwise, and it brings me pains me to say this, but another somewhat progressive bourgeois right now is Elon Musk. Somewhat because he actually run lots of scam meant to obstruct or defund actual infrastructures that would concurence his business, but Starlink and SpaceX are actually delivering a cheap product instead of endless vaporwave and shitty surveillance softwares like SV or anything Russia is doing.

>>2854947
>but Starlink and SpaceX are actually delivering a cheap product instead of endless vaporwave and shitty surveillance softwares like SV or anything Russia is doing.
potential companies built on investor confidence ala a huge portion of the s&p 500, tesla 2.0

>a bourgesisie thats good and helped the shift from the chinese feudal mode of production to capitalist mode of production and thus allowing a socialist mode
This is basic historical materialism.

>>2854947
Musk being allowed to front privatized military programs truly is peak progressive.

>>2854980
Vgh… take me back…

>>2854947
starlink is delivering and tesla is sorta delivering but how tf is the rest of spacex delivering ? that shit is just eating investor money on potential returns while they continue to blow up every rocket they fire

>>2854926
>On contradictions mao talks about there being a progressive bourgesisie, a bourgesisie thats good and helped the shift from the chinese feudal mode of production to capitalist mode of production and thus allowing a socialist mode. Yes its confusing and i don't get it even after reading it because i don't think he understoon dialects.
It wasn't that simple, from what I read. The national bourgeoisie had a "dual character" in relation to the Chinese revolution (note that by "Chinese revolution" they're thinking of more of a historical process that started early in the 20th century, before the Communist Party even existed) because many of these businessmen sympathized with or supported it. And a central aspect of the revolution was to free China from the control of foreign imperialism, which these businessmen did not like. These people supported Sun Yat Sen when he was the leader of the revolution. On the other hand, this was a semi-colonized, extremely (economically) backwards country with hundreds of millions of extremely poor people who were the main force of the unfolding revolution, as Mao saw it, and these businessmen (relatively small in number) could be scared of them, so they tended to crack up as a class and split as contradictions intensified. So, basically, the idea was to do politics and win over the left-wing businessmen and isolate the right-wing businessmen who supported Chiang Kai Shek from the main body of workers and peasants. Also China being really backwards it was important to incorporate the businessmen in the new order to help the economy.

They didn't like feudalism either. Like just the way the economy was run crippled private enterprise. The people who really ran China in those days were reactionary landlords (the equivalent of slave plantation owners in the Antebellum South in the United States, is how I saw it) who comprised a gentry, and "bureaucratic capitalism" represented by four major families. That was the Chiangs, but also the Soongs, Kungs, and Chens. They never developed any industry on their own and were basically giant rent-seeking vacuums who were mega-corrupt and made their money from their political connections, currency manipulation, import/export controls, and collaboration with foreign companies. This is also a thing where state ownership is not by itself "socialism," since China already had state ownership of a lot stuff like banks, mines, and railroads but these guys controlled the state. Anyways this kind of thing is usually referring to today as "crony capitalism" or rent-seeking "state capture" and stuff like that.

>>2854947
>Starlink
As much as I hate Musk, it's great for rural areas.

>>2854926
a huge chunk of trump's base is the reactionary bourgeoisie and petit bourgeoisie. even if we give a pass to the "socially reactionary but runs a novel business" component such as >>2854947 , his primary base since 2016 has been people who run stuff like soda bottling plants and car dealerships which are (a) highly protected by state regulation and (b) put them in the odd social position of often being the richest, most powerful people in their local area, having no cultural capital/being very uncool (hence why they're such resentful pricks.), and thinking very highly of themselves as free market success stories while actually being the biggest welfare queens there are.

if we are lucky and the stars align, the first thing abundance democrats do will be to deregulate their industries and wash their little hitlerite empires into the sewer of history.

>>2855190
starlink delivers off the back of spacex.
the logic of having lots of rockets blow up is basically defensible: first of all, if they blow up after their payload reaches space (which is possible because they're supposed to be reusable) you lose nothing relative to a standard rocket, which is also single-use.
secondly, the reason rocketry remained basically expensive for a long time is that everyone was very squeamish about rockets blowing up, which meant that you didn't get very rapid iteration of designs to find faults etc. if you accept the first few launches are all going to explode, and each one explodes a little later, you'll ultimately get further than someone who spends a lifetime making sure their rocket is perfect only to have it still explode ~5% of the time. a quick search, which may be marketing guff, is that spacex has a ~99.5% launch success rate for falcon 9 and a 100% success rate for falcon heavy, dragged down by starship and falcon 1 being 50% and 40% respectively.
thirdly, obviously, because they got reusability right. if your rocket has a 100% chance of exploding during its lifetime but explodes on the second flight or later then you're up on a regular rocket, which is always destroyed.

i don't like typing this because i think spacex has garbage aesthetics. hopefully china eats their lunch one day.

>>2855221
>That was the Chiangs, but also the Soongs, Kungs, and Chens.
Also Michelle Yeoh played one of the heiresses in a Hong Kong movie.

Anyways I think it's foolish and probably idiotic to try and copy this theory to North America in the 21st century. Or 21st century China. Republican China in the 1920s? It was a completely different country. Modern industry (by the standards of the time) only existed in a handful of port cities and some of those were controlled by foreign governments as extra-territorial zones, 80-90% of the population lived in the countryside and big chunks of that were controlled by whoever had enough armed men with whatever guns they could scrounge up, and then the country was invaded by Japan. The Trump family though does have vibes of it, like he's a businessman and a politician who has constructed this vast patronage netowrk around himself, and his son-in-law Jared Kushner is flying around the world doing deals and it's business and state diplomacy at the same time. The American government when they backed up Chiang would be going to banquets and it's like here's Madame Soong m'lady *tips hat* and they would be dressed in European styles.

Honestly, being a feudal peasant probably wasn't all that bad

>>2855279
Ehh among the problems of such an underdeveloped country is the periodic massive famines. Also the treatment of girls is like whut. You mean this guy had to sell his kid into sex slavery to his landlord because he inherited his grandparents' debts and the local pawn broker (i.e. mobster) who is in cahoots with that guy will break your legs if you don't. The Red Detachment of Women is a 60s propaganda piece but it depicts runaway slave girls in kill-a-mother-fucker mode. A lot of these people got lynched IRL by crowds of angry peasants.

>>2855279
And Other Opinions Of The Utterly Insane

>>2855279
https://blog.rootsofprogress.org/russian-peasant-life
the peasant life sucked.

>>2855279
Man