/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2855112
Ehh nobody on /leftypol/ has any clue, certainly no consensus. Some of us are rooting for the antizionists candidates endorsed by DSA like the one who won today who got fired from her law firm for being anti-zionist. Then the other half will sperg out at you for being an electoralist and tell you to read Lenin. These people have no plan whatsoever other than wait for societal collapse(a revolutionary moment as they call it) in which they will become the next Lenin and will lead the imaginary forces communist forces to victory in armed struggle.

>>2855113
Too bad.
I'll ask you to do me a favor, though: I'd like for you to explain to me the basic tenets of communism, how change is achievable, etc. as though you're speaking to a former registered Republican, because you would be.

>>2855120
This is probably still the best summary of the basic concepts.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

>>2855122
Thank you. I'll read it now.

>>2855120
>how change is achievable
Me personally I will say I think only through the legal processes, the much dreaded voting and etc. I will tell you to*and quote), and these people will deny it, but Marx and Engels both advocated voting. That is just about how we get to power. I think there is less disagreement after that, but the "anti-electoralists" will say that improving anything through existing legal mechanisms in capitalist society is actually detrimental because it will postpone societal collapse and the revolutionary moment where their non-existent powers will seize power through armed combat.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/01/indifferentism.htm
> “The working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!

>“If in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.

>“Workers should even less desire that, as happens in the United States of America, the state whose budget is swollen by what is taken from the working class should be obliged to give primary education to the workers' children; for primary education is not complete education. It is better that working men and working women should not be able to read or write or do sums than that they should receive education from a teacher in a school run by the state. It is far better that ignorance and a working day of sixteen hours should debase the working classes than that eternal principles should be violated.

<It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy. However the working-class movement is today so powerful that these philanthropic sectarians dare not repeat for the economic struggle those great truths which they used incessantly to proclaim on the subject of the political struggle. They are simply too cowardly to apply them any longer to strikes, combinations, single-craft unions, laws on the labour of women and children, on the limitation of the working day etc., etc.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/09/08.htm
>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries – such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland – where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm
>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.

>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.

>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
>3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
>4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
>8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
>9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

>>2855120
>>2855126
I can maybe tell you what is the core tenent. The core tenent is the workers, the proletariat, should dominate politics. We will need to use our power to dominate the capitalist, bourgeois, rich people, whatever and use our power to make it so there is no more of them. No more yachts and private jets, doomsday bunkers and shit. We will bring everyone back to Earth with the rest of us.

you've got a lot of reading to do

>>2855120
Communism is literally everything rethuglican propaganda says it is

Don't ask people here about communism, it's like astrology shit here.

>>2855112
>What are your solutions?
War of national liberation against israel. If youre talking abous jewSA instead the problem seems to be evangelical christians corrupted by israel.

>>2855112
>these Zionist assholes
Capitalists are also bad even if they aren't zionists