/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Im taking a shit rn

Not terrible in substance but the idea of building some kind of white hanger-on organization to a Black liberation movement is pretty cringe. White proles in America should just be members of racially neutral socialist or worker's parties. Ideally these parties should also be seen as the vanguard of Black liberation, but if Black workers for whatever reason feel the need to have separate organizations then white workers should respect this and work constructively with them. More importantly, they should be working to create a situation where Black workers feel represented enough in a racially neutral party that they don't feel the need for a separate one.

All of this except today and structured like the o9a without the echizo religion or hurting innocent people but with the same level of aggression and you got yourself an absolute GEMERALD

Anarkiddie drivel

>>2856553
Sorry forgot that the only way to achieve anything is handing out newspapers and reading ancient books in awkward silence

S-Shay?!?!?

>full endorsement of the platform as part of the platform
really weird to start out so meta like that
>total assault on […] dope […]
almost immediately followed by
>free dope
what?
>the end of money
but not class society?
>free exchange
so exchange without money, AKA barter?
>unnatural boundaries
what constitutes the "unnatural". people wax poetic with these philosophical terms but when you pin them down they don't really have an answer. they get mad you asked.
>free all soldiers
including the volunteers?

>>2856496
blud used the vice city font lmao

bro first these morons have to find out how to pirate a pamphlet on wtf the BPP was
you're dealing with children misled by bad actors

>>2856598
Pathetic loser chud comic

>>2856496
this reads like a satire of what chuds think communism is

>>2856574
so nobody cares to answer or even think about these questions

>>2856783
To reiterate: the yankee manchildren on this website can't even describe the Black Panthers historical movement.
ML has learned nothing and will repeat capitalist roader path until no ML states are left. See: >>2856700 >>2852637 (thread)

ML is a sham which rejects Marxism and Leninism.

it was an experiment to pivot rock and roll concert audiences towards American Communism using spectacle and youth populism.

>>2856574
>1.
They were letting the Black Panthers have a leading position post-civil rights movement, a normalization and prefiguration of a repeat of the historical reformation period post civil-war.

>2
It's just populism to bring people into the movement. Free dope represents a grass-roots demand for alternatives to alcohol (illegal in the USSR at this time) as well as an acknowledgement of abundance in American agriculture.
>3
Marx explicitly calls for the end of money and at this time the technology was just about good enough to make this a possibility. No money, no class society. This was a populist movement.

The White Panthers were way ahead of their time with promoting free time as fundamental. The prison and border stuff shows how dated and lib they were lol.

Ehh just seems like they were trying to do a "we're helping!" thing for someone else's struggles. Not bad, but I don't think it did much, did it?

>>2856798

>To reiterate: the yankee manchildren on this website can't even describe the Black Panthers historical movement.

>ML has learned nothing and will repeat capitalist roader path until no ML states are left. ML is a sham which rejects Marxism and Leninism.

That’s a complete non sequitur.

>>2856496
>rock ’n’ roll, dope and fucking in the streets
i hate boomers so much it's unreal

>>2856826
"Free all prisoners" shows they were, WAY ahead of their time. Prison abolitionism is now a staple in American radical politics.

>>2856912
Never understood why
Like are there innocent people locked up?
Yes definitely
Are there also people whive done horrible things and deserve to be locked up?
Also yes

>>2856873
>SoundCloud rap, prescription pills, and licking dommy mommy goth girl feet
There, now it's updated for zoomies.

>>2856496
why didn't they just join the black panthers? in general why tf was the new left movement so focused on creating new parties and orgs for specific sects of people in the country instead of consolidating their groups into one larger org?

>>2856917
Soviet Union under Khruschev blackpilling people* into trying literally everything else. Some went hard into Maoism, others into anarchism, others into narodnik type adventurism.
*Those "traditional ML" parties were like stale socdem parties that forbid anything you wouldn't expect the UK Labour Party to endorse in terms of revolutionary activity, in the middle of US ramping up war, Red Scare, assassinations, propping up fascistic dictatorships, etc.
I.e. the "one larger org" had proven completely inadequate. Now you might say, "but the alternative didn't seem to work so good either" – it was right about the dying state of the USSR, but the consolidation of a potential Chinese alternative didnt materialize and anarchist fluctuation, simultaneous to CIA operations contributed to chaos. That isn't to say it didnt have any good effects. Them breaking free from the peaceful coexistence shackles did aid in the completion of a swathe of national liberation struggles, which we today would piss our pants a little bit about supporting in the way these new left orgs did, by the looks of what people are willing to "do" for Palestine (think Palestine Action UK x10.000 and for several dozen countries, incl. DPRK, Sotheast Asia, Southern Africa, Ireland, Latin America). A lot of it contributed to victories (mainland southeast asia, northern & southern africa), some didn't. This objectively advanced the historical stage of struggle a big step away from mercantilist formal colonialism and more solidly into world-capitalism of today. Today we are dealing with neocolonialist dynamics in many of the same places, but that is instead an aspect of capitalist imperialism and involves a completely different class composition in said countries (now literate, less agricultural, having capitalist industry, infrastructure, technology, etc.).

>>2856496
>Total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock ’n’ roll
I hate libs

>>2856917
because african americans are (understandably) suspicious of white orgs agreeing to reintroduce slavery for a 0.001% wage increase

>>2856496
i wish they'd be a little more original

To continue the racial separation for whatever reason because of "safe spaces" or whatever is pretty retarded and seems to be a uniquely Western thing.

In South Africa, where Apartheid was a real thing until way more recently, the EFF has plenty of white members.

>>2856496
A fine idea in principle but half-baked in practice. Their 10-point program fails to link itself meaningfully with the Panther program and politics, and reflects eclectic and meandering politics internally that fails to break with the opportunism of the RCPUSA and CPUSA during this time.

>>2857099
So i guess they should just be killed

>>2857095
That doesnt make any sense white orgs are the reason blacks arent still in slavery

>>2856496
2idpol4me

>>2857095
Sakai retards believe this

>>2857095
Things that have never happened.

>>2856917
>why didn't they just join the black panthers?
white person coudln't join black panthers, lol

>>2856570
Kys uyghur

>>2857120
untrue, white orgs have played a tertiary, if still very important, role but were never the primary factor
>>2857148
i do not subscribe to j sakai's worldview
>>2857149
literally the single greatest barrier to anything happening in america ever

>>2857119
>i subscribe to a worldview that necessarily requires radical social reformation
>but i would NEVER EVER have any faith in individuals' abilities to learn and change
if you don't support prison abolition you fundamentally do not understand marxism

>>2857353
>untrue, white orgs have played a tertiary, if still very important, role but were never the primary factor
The only rights blacks in america have have and have ever had are ones which white abolitionists and progressives deemed to give them

>>2857358
Guess you dont mind if i kill your mom and then 5 years later learn my lesson and live completely free and normal kek.

>>2856798
why are you replying to a post I made, not responding to anything I said, and claiming to "reiterate"? Are you pretending to be me badly, or is your post merely a total nonsequitur?

>>2857607
I’ve unironically seen the argument that actually the civil war was a slave revolt and the Union army was only involved to keep black people oppressed.

I’ve said this before but gotten shit for it, but it’s true imo: there’s a popular form of revisionist history that has gotten a base of support on the Left that essentially tries to write majorities out of the progressive history of the U.S.; barring a few celebrities like John Brown, history is entirely centered and moved by oppressed subjects. The claim “white people weren’t at stonewall except for the cops” is another popular variant of this.

>>2857631
Ive seen you say bernie lost because of the blacks. You say karmelo anthony should have been pushed out of a public space into the rain. You just want to bitch about black people because you are KKK. You are epstein. You imperialist

BNWO fetish

>>2857649
This but unironically.

>>2857095
> white orgs agreeing to reintroduce slavery
Its impossible to find any articles with headlines about "prison slavery" because soy radlibs are afraid to even describe their beloved liberal institutions as doing such praxis

>>2857120
>blacks arent still in slavery
<The Louisiana State Penitentiary (Angola) operates a compulsory agricultural program known as the "Farm Line". Because incarcerated individuals, predominantly Black men, are forced to harvest crops manually under brutal heat and armed guard for as little as $0.02 per hour, civil rights organizations widely equate it to modern-day chattel slavery.
<The Land's History: Angola is an 18,000-acre facility built on the exact site of seven former slave plantations where enslaved people were historically forced to pick cotton.
<The "Farm Line": Incarcerated workers are forced to hand-pick and harvest crops—such as cotton, corn, and soybeans—under the supervision of armed guards on horseback.
<Wages & Working Conditions: Workers report severe physical exhaustion, heat strokes, and are frequently denied adequate water or breaks. Pay ranges from $0.02 to $0.40 per hour, with some workers forced into initial multi-year periods of uncompensated labor.
<Punitive Use: Being placed on the Farm Line is often used as a disciplinary or training measure, and failing to meet the rigorous labor demands can lead to write-ups and solitary confinement.
<Legal Challenges: Civil rights groups, including the New Orleans-based Promise of Justice Initiative, have launched class-action lawsuits to abolish the Farm Line, citing violations of the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. While federal judges have occasionally intervened to mandate heat and hydration protections for laborers, the broader forced-labor system has remained largely intact.

>>2857599
untrue, the rights of african-american have been, to a significant extent, self-attained, unsurprising considering the whig history you parrot isn't real
>>2857607
mind-boggling strawman that, ironically, falls into the same progressive trap of simplifying the union and its leaders' ever-changing and individual motives cast in >>2857631 (fuck you for making me give a (you) to a namefag)
>>2857602
complete strawman but unironically yes

>>2858109
>untrue, the rights of african-american have been, to a significant extent, self-attained,
Not even one bit.