REAL, NOT CLICKBAIT, NOT A DRILL, THE CHICAGO POPE CRACKS DOWNhttps://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2026-07/holy-see-decrees-excommunication-lefebrians-consecrations.htmlAs a result of escalating tensions revolving around some unapproved bishop appointments, it's officially happened: the Vatican has declared the tradcath Society of Saint Pius X to be schismatic and therefor not just its bishops but lay practitioners too are excommunicated. While the largest amount of tradcaths tend to congregate in America there's still plenty spread out all over the world. What are the implications of this split? Possible Antipope soon?
HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT ITS OVER ITS FUCKING OVER!!!!
so they're protestants
>>2856632Depends on whether or not they consecrate their own Pope
So is this a split? Will there be a new church now?
>>2856643its just some crackpot uber reactoids from switzerland who deem the 'modern catholic church' too progressive. then again - one of the most sophisticated, well researched and thoughtful essays on Machine Learning was released by the Jesuits not so long ago. We live in interesting times.
SNCA
Good riddance heretics
>>2856616They weren't officially recognised in the first place, they occupied an ambiguous quasi-valid but illicit status, that preyed on the ambiguity to gain legitimacy so the Vatican's move is to remove that ambiguity for the faithful, they only took so long because the Vatican hoped to reconcile
>>2856745Yeah I understand they were sort of in a ecclesial limbo, not really sanctioned by the church but they didn't care enough to get themselves fully involved in their shit. Now they're officially Sedevacantists though, and with there being like 300,000 official members and with the backing of JD Vance I think they could seriously press for a new conclave
>>2856658That isn't too surprising according to my limited knowledge of Jesuits. I'm pretty sure one of their orders is literally known for putting forth strong philosophical stances and essays based on real, self conducted "scholarly" research.
>>2856643there are only like 600 thousand followers of this group. nothing compared to the 1.4 billion catholics
>>2856616Trad"""caths""" BTFO.
How does this have any implications for Marxists?
Expelled from the party for not following democratic centralism
>>2856616Couldnt care less + both sides are pedos.
Anyone defending Catholicism is anti-Marxist.
nobody cares about cathuyghurs
touch grass
>>2857042Muh Dorothy Day
Muh Peter Maurin
Muh Oscar Romero
>>2857052How was Dorothy Day a liberal?
>>2857059being a bohemian turned cathlarper should be an indication
but again, no normal person knows who she or any other special snowflake cathcuck is
>>2857063She was not a LARPer akin to modern TradCaths. She was highly devoted and may very well become canonized as a saint.
>>2857064good for her
my point stands
cpusanon on suicide watch
>>2857079These guys were tradcath rightoids. CPUSAnon is probably happy they were expelled.
Also salvation, like anyone even at their lowest point, but it's not a one-time thing.
>>2857835>>2857946Figure I should say that my thoughts on the SSPX is that a I vehemently disagree with the political configuration they align with (deeply reactionary forces) however I genuinely wish the Church made it easier to attend traditional Latin mass; I think its a beautiful thing that kind of falls by the wayside these days.
>>2857950>Also salvation, like anyone even at their lowest point, but it's not a one-time thing.Y'know recently I was reading the thoughts of various theologians on what "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit" means, as its considered the "one unforgivable sin". A popular interpretation I read was that its kind of the point where a person intentionally "hardens their heart" and rejects divine grace and redemption. It's not that God wont forgive you, its that you intentionally make yourself unwilling to seek redemption. I guess a good description would be you wholly give in to your self-justifications for your actions.
And thinking on that, I can't help but feel like 95% of our government is probably guilty of that sin. Hell, the Trump admin as a whole indulges in that particular blasphemy on a daily basis, "I'm glad we did something evil and I get off on it." You'll see so many of these scumbag politicians when confronted with Pro-Palestine protesters just smirk and roll their eyes when people demand they stop killing children: that's a blasphemy right there.
GIT EXCOMUNICATED SCRUBS
Tradcaths in shambles.
>>2859395>A popular interpretation I read was that its kind of the point where a person intentionally "hardens their heart" and rejects divine grace and redemption. It's not that God wont forgive you, its that you intentionally make yourself unwilling to seek redemption. I guess a good description would be you wholly give in to your self-justifications for your actions.It's called being an adult,
taking your fate in your own hands,
and living beyond good and evil.
And it's what's responsible for everything good that we have today,
from the tree of knowledge, to the building of a gentile church, to the crusades, to the reformation, to the french revolution, to marxism, to the UN, to the women's movement, to Civil Rights, to 69, to the gay movement, to the internet, to AI.
It was people taking their own fate and with it the fate of the world in the world in their own hands without consulting their peers, the authorities, the law, or God to see if that was an idea worth pursuing or if the consequences would be tolerable.
It was the somber realization that for the world to become better, they would have to become worse.
whatever, next pope will be installed directly by satanic porky, and all the "faithful" of the current vatican will accept the new far-right direction without putting any fight whatsoever
current one may last just a few years at most too so the pro-AI pro-nazi pope is basically incumbent already
I think the aesthetics of having a Chicago white Sox fan named bob as the new pope is pretty solid, but wow I would’ve guessed that an intelligent species could get over religion by now…
>>2859657it's got nothing to do with intelligence, it's a function of political power
>>2859631This but unironically
(except with shrooms)
>>2859672Of course it’s a function of political power, but I think that political power is preying on unintelligent people to sustain itself.
>>2859707does psilocybin ONLY grow on cow shit? Like if I poop in a field somewhere and come back in a week, can I get some shrooms?
>>2859714also curious about this
The worst, most repugnant, fascist inclined tradLARPing fundamentalists have been expelled from Catholicism- perhaps up to 600,000 individuals - and they're all seething about it on twitter.
You love to see it.
That said, Catholicism is still overwhelmingly reactionary and conservative and responsible for more crimes than you could list in a 1000 posts.
On a related note: There is zero evidence for a God or for any religion, but the with the amount of suffering in the world I can at least grasp the logic behind Buddhist and Gnostic perspectives.
Christianity though? Despite being raised it in I don't think I ever really believed it.
>>2859714you can cultivate it yourself. its not hard and isn't very expensive.
>>2859707I’ve had some wild experiences on Mushrooms but I don’t think I’ve really had religious ecstasy from it.
TBH I think the “mystical” elements of religion are so completely ignored in modernity that people kind of dismiss what religious thinkers went through with “lol they must’ve been high”
Within the more mystical strains of Judaism, for example (I think you can learn more from studying “Merkevah Mysticism” or “Chariot mysticism”) there were religious/historical figures whose mystical experiences had such a profound effect on themselves that one became a “messiah” contender and disrupted Jewish society by preaching whatever their form of “heresy” is while another allegedly went incurably insane. For many of these people the experiences were so profound that many were willing to die (or, sadly, kill) for their beliefs.
So when these ancient Rabbis talk about seeing the chariot of God and going mad, I think it’s important to know that to many of these people their experiences were profoundly real.
>>2864015I’m not a Gnostic or a scholar, but I’ve been on a Gnostic text binge lately so if you’ve got questions about Gnosticism contra Catholicism, I can try to answer as best I can.
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