/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2867051
I find sun yat sen to be the typical unnaligned national bourgeoise type of government, better than Chen Kai shek but worse than mao, which, unlike Chen, would have been couped by USA and UK for going too far, and unlike Mao, he wouldn't be able to defend himself, unless he went something like a pseudoleninist path like Islamic republic

he was an extreme han nationalist

>>2867051
>what do you guys think of sun yat-sen and the three principles of the people
i don't even know what that is. had to look it up. maybe give people a primer and they'll reply:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Principles_of_the_People#The_Principles

>Nationalism
>Democracy
>Welfare

>>2867065
Yeah, He said some really Han supremacist things in the nationalism chapter of three principals of the people. But also said People's livelihood was communism. But he also criticizes Marx.

Also against individual freedom, which to be fair, I understand why he thought like this, as he wanted to do everything it took to get rid of colonialism in China.

>>2867199
>pic
>a nation should have absolute freedom
all talk of freedom is poetry if the speaker does not distinguish between the freedom from oppression and the freedom to oppress.

It took the CPC and the splinters from
Chiang’s idiot faction to actually enact said principles

>>2867602
>splinters from Chiang’s idiot faction

are you ignoring the fact that chiangs kmt was in a constant struggle against the japanese, warlords, and communists?
Criticize him all you want, and he deserves it but the kmt was nowhere in a position to actually enact said principles. Ironically everything you could use to defend the soviet unions policies in 1920s-1930s, could be applied to the kmt.

>>2867199
>But also said People's livelihood was communism. But he also criticizes Marx.

Also he at one point says he doesnt believe in class struggle. So yeah…..

>>2867051
He was legally Hawaiian. That's why they also call the Three Principles of the People the Aloha Way, which has a profound spiritual meaning if you think about it.

>>2867609
If you’ve lost Soong Qing Ling, you’ve lost your way

>>2867199
>>2867065
Context matters. The Manchu Qing can arguably be characterized as a colonial and exploitative state, with China's resources being extracted to enrich the Manchu ruling elite, also the compulsory imposition of the queue, which the Han Chinese regarded as a symbol of subjugation and foreign domination. And so a common belief among many Chinese intellectuals and revolutionaries at the time was that Manchu rule had hindered China's development and prevented it from achieving a level of political, economic, and technological advancement comparable to that of the Western powers.

>>2867060
it's really interesting because this type of leader you're describing is so common despite them running into the same issues and making the same mistakes for 80 years straight, namely mistakes like trusting the US, distrusting communists, thinking you won't get couped if you're friendly, etc.

The great irony about sun yat sen is that if he was a russian political figure instead of chinese, he would have been purged in the 20s and 30s. Meanwhile the same socialists who praised him in our world would have justified his purging in this alternate world, saying he deserved it

>>2867051
He was a Jewish nigger