/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I think radio war nerd once commented on the biggest delusion in military thinking is this long-running myth that you can win wars through air power alone—going all the way back even to “Bomber” Harris. Just the thought was if you could keep bombing people until they had no industry left they’d be forced to surrender.

As for why no ground operations: that’d mean more coffins coming back home, which is political suicide.

>>2869431
Oh they absolutely can. It's just that there is a limit to how much war crimes and genocide they can do in le current year because the rest of the world will draw the line at a certain point.

>>2869428
Because ground operations mean high casualties and long occupations and Iraq hasn't faded from the public memory just yet.

>>2869432
The world didn’t draw any line with Rwanda, Gaza, East Timor, or a dozen other places I can name

>>2869440
>>2869441
C'mon now, let's stop arguing obviously false propositions. We all know the US could erase the entire population of Iran out of existence in less than an hour.

>It would take approximately 15 to 30 minutes for land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) fired from the United States to strike targets in Russia or China. Submarine-launched missiles positioned closer off the coast could strike in roughly 10 to 15 minutes.

They can completely collapse the country with conventional weapons as well. You can't sustain a population of 90 million people just through grit and the will of allah. They can absolutely destroy all the infrastructure and cause mass starvation and whatever the word is for thirst. But in reality they can't do that because the world will draw a line at a certain point.

>>2869428
Cuz it's not an invasion to take control of territory

>>2869432
>there is a limit to how much war crimes and genocide they can do in le current year because the rest of the world will draw the line at a certain point.
oh sweet summer child.

>>2869448
Fine, hypothetically and it goes into their calculus. Of course they have been and may push further and further and really see if the line exists.

>>2869432
>because the rest of the world will draw the line at a certain point.
Yeah at a certain point the Ummah will have had enough and do something no i'm joking

>>2869443
The certain point in that itll become too coastly and could start a series of event that will end with popular revolts at home that could or could not ends with the leader's head sliced off. Or will just create a gloibal popular front situation like what the Axis had to face in WW2 that will end the same.
The US and to some extent Israel are not showing restain because of some geopolitical moralfaging.

>>2869443
>But in reality they can't do that because the world will draw a line at a certain point.
<But in reality they can't do that because westoids shit their pants thinking about all the potential refugees coming knocking at their doors.
ftfy

>>2869428

>Why are ground operations for any of the countries seem impossible?
USA is handicapped by its "democratic" institutions. Launching a ground war would destroy what remains of Trump and his party's support. Russia doesnt have to care about problems like this.

>Also does Trump actually expect to win the war by bombing Iran
They want a deal while minimizing losses.

>>2869629
Many undemocratic states would collapse from the conscription and death numbers Russia faced. Dictatorship is not some joker card than can make you do anything you want.
I doubt a democratic Russia would do things differently.

>>2869428
infantry and mechanized are more useless than they have ever been. troops during the war on terror had to go on idiot patrols to get blown up by mines. now with fpv drones it's the mines that go on patrols.

given that the average american soldier would actually be on welfare if they lived in the first world the burgerreich focussed on small teams of rapists they call "special" forces. these guys are great at toppling the failed states of US interventions with terrorist attacks, but they're fucked if they have to fight a whole army.

>War in the Middle East takes an ugly turn as US forces target an Iranian water desalination facility, destroying it almost entirely and leaving close to 10,000 people without drinking water. With roads and bridges destroyed, getting water to the affected rural communities will be extremely difficult but efforts are already underway.

Looks like the USA is officially taking the genocide route.

>>2869443
>They can completely collapse the country with conventional weapons as well.
No they can't. They dropped far more bombs on North Vietnam (which is also much smaller) during that war and the country didn't collapse. In fact MacNamara conceded in private meetings that the bombing was having virtually no effect on Hanoi's ability to sustain the war. You can't win wars with air power, it's been proven over and over and over again. Rich imperialist countries like the US just keep trying it because if they could somehow get it to work then they would be able to subdue any country at virtually no cost to themselves. They're trying to will it into existence but it always fails.

>>2869722
Dropping bombs in the middle of the jungle isn't strategic bombing. And why bring up Vietnam? It worked for them in Iraq and Syria. It truly doesn't matter them if they change they "regime change" Iran if they can just take them out of the equation.

Should also note, to whatever extent Iran is winning the war is also through their ability to bomb military and civilian targets. If they didn't have that capability they would have zero leverage.