>be attractive, middle class doctor in Argentina
>abandon your comfortable life to become a revolutionary
>play a key part in the Cuban Revolution
>instead of joining the government, your start traveling all over Africa and Latin America supporting guerillas
>die in battle and become a symbol of rebellion worldwide
This guy was the definition of Nietzsche’s ubermensch.
Being a doctor is still prole or petty bourgeois if you have your own practice and little fame/glory/excitement compared to being a revolutionary or martyr.
>>2879014Being a landlord for healthcare is bad, everyone should know how to do some basic surgeries on themselves and administer medications
>>2879021Nigha your not doing surgeries on yourself stop the larp
>>2879033I removed an ingrown toenail by myself once, that’s surgery
>>2879014Never suggested that, you're projecting morality onto my words.
>>2879073To be fair to Che, if I had saw my melanated allies chasing skirts and drinking all day instead of training and fighting, I would too not have the kindest words about them. Maybe even throw a slur in frustration here and there.
>>2879073>"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese."Damn
>>2879073His own fault for being an adventurist
you can't guerilla your way into socialism without a disciplined vanguard party + mass base
>>2879073I've always heard he became less racist over time
>>2878931His romantic tendencies and decision to be a left-adventurist before getting BTFO is actually his least commendable point as, if he had stayed and imparted a more revolutionary proletarian communist line on the devevelopment of Cuba, we would in fact have seen less Fidel-derived Khrushchevite satellite/soviet periphery economics and peaceful coexistence, which, with 20/20 hindsight, would have contributed to a far greater direction both for Cuba, the region and the world (say, if they launched the nuclear strike on US rather than just fucking sending it "home" at the height of socialist/people's states).
che guevara was the ultimate example of the liberal white savior complex. he travelled to the congo, a land he had never been to and knew almost nothing about, to assume leadership of the simba revolution believing the black african rebels would be able to win if only they had the right kind of leadership, i.e. an affluent educated white man to educate the ignorant savages, even though he could barely even speak their language let alone relate to them as human beings. and of course he was a shitty leader and the revolution failed and he blamed it all on the negroes and chalked it up to their inferior biology.
>>2879543and the Afro-Cubans that went with him, who equally hated the Congolese
He became an icon for tens of millions, but his military theory was half-baked. It was written largely in the specific context of Batista's Cuba and when applied outside those unique conditions, Bolivia appeared to fit Che's ideal model, a poorer country under a military dictatorship. So by his own theory, it should have been fertile ground for guerrilla warfare. Instead, the campaign failed because the dictatorship had implemented modest land reforms. Those limited reforms were enough to reduce rural support for an insurgency, leaving Che's forces without the local backing and logistical assistance they needed.
I think that if Che had survived, he would have learned from those failures, refined his ideas, and produced a more sophisticated and pragmatic theory of revolutionary warfare. He may even have reached conclusions similar to Castro.
>>2879113He understood that socialism in one country doesn't work
>>2879557>He became an icon for tens of millionshe certainly did. he literally became an icon - an image, a logo. and that's about all he was.
>but his military theory was half-bakedhis reputation as some kind of brilliant military commander was always just revolutionary propaganda. when he joined the revolution he had no military combat experience, he was just a physician. the cuban revolution wasn't a war between two armies, it was the entire cuban population overthrowing a failed dictatorship, batista's soldiers mutinied, the us withdrew their support and cut off arms shipments, the old regime was doomed no matter what and it could have been anybody leading the revolution.
when che went to the congo to lead their revolution with his incredible two years of military experience fighting a revolution in a developed modern settler-colonial society, he was apalled to see what real war looked like, soldiers getting drunk and pillaging towns and raping women and hacking children to pieces with machetes, he thought war was all about ideology and honor and glory, he had no idea.
>>2879564And funnily enough he, the Castros and everyone else in the 26th Movement got their training from an exiled Spanish Republican Army officer, Alberto Bayo. I don't agree that Che was as shocked by war as you think. He definitely saw some horrific things in Cuba, but the context was completely different. Literally everyone in Cuba despised Batista, even the US had grown tired of him because of his sheer incompetence. Maybe the only people who liked him were the Italian Mafia.
The objective in Cuba was simple and united, remove Batista. You never had that level of unity in the Congo. There were deep tribal divisions that simply didn't exist in Cuba or most of Latin America. There were obviously racial divisions, but they weren't comparable to tribal identities, which were completely alien to both Che and even the black Cubans he brought with him. That was one of the biggest problems they never really understood.
Jean-Paul Sartre called him "the most complete human being of our age" or something like that.
>>2879559>socialism in one country doesn't workever heard of the comintern? socialism in one country was not meant to be a permanent state of affairs but a hunkering down after the german revolution failed
>>2880203That's like if Epstein calling you the most complete human being.
He fought to establish capitalist country that followed a shitty economic model based on deliberate misunderstanding of socialism in order to prop up inefficient and corrupt government companies.
Third worldism does not work
>>2879557>dictatorship had implemented modest land reforms.The Whites would have done a lot better against the Red Army if they had just done this. Reactionaries are stubbornly retarded
>>2880231It is now a monocultural wasteland facing blackouts, poverty and privatization, surrounded by reaction; what you prefer to the only chance to severely damage the US in recent history, as Gaza has been leveled, Maduro is in solitary confinement and all you have are "best wishes" and vibes.
Meanwhile DPRK is standing firm and with nukes.
Iran wouldn't be losing men in the thousands presently for pursuing nukes.
But you think pacifism makes you superior to us dirty mortals. I will shoot your rose wings when I get the chance, so that the winds of Washington dont pull you away.
>>2879073The least racist Argentinian.
>>2879557Castro didn't know much more than Che tbh
>>2879671>He definitely saw some horrific things in Cubawhat che saw in cuba was nothing compared to what was going on in the congo, an army of drug-addled bloodmagic cannibal warlords versus an army of white-nationalist mercenaries commanded by former SS members armed with state of the art weaponry, and a whole country of helpless rural villagers caught in the middle. and this is usually what wars are like, not good guys fighting bad guys, but just senseless horrific carnage where the soldiers on both sides are violent bloodthirsty nihilistic psychopaths and the victims are innocent civilians who have nothing to do with politics at all.
che for some reason believed that africa would be the weak link of western imperialism, the continent that european empires had been conquering and exploiting longer than any other, to the point of having their own sovereign nation there. i don't think he really understood what he was up against, and he didn't understand that he wasn't really that much different from the white imperialists he so vocally despised, that he was just another arrogant white man who thought that he had the right to decide the fate of the entire world.
>>2878931>>be attractive, middle class doctor in Argentina>>abandon your comfortable life to become a revolutionarypeak leftoid tbqh. i cant deny he had aura though
>>2879004>only the instant you go independent you join the middle classes, but making thousands is proletarian!fucking midwit lol
>>287901499% of doctors are pieces of shit lmao
>>2880345>che for some reason believed that africa would be the weak link of western imperialismI assume this was largely a misinterpretation of what had happened in Algeria a few years earlier. It seems his entire frame of reference of the Algerian war was taken from Sartre and Fanon, filtered through his own limited experiences in Cuba. He then mashed those together with a romanticized reading of the Algerian War and convinced himself that any military could be defeated so long as the people possessed the proper revolutionary spirit. It was an elegant theory, right up until it collided with reality.
Best liberal revolutionary since Robespierre
Is this the guy who killed gays, considering them bourgeois degeneracy?
>>2880565That was the prevailing stance in the Eastern Bloc and the Maoist sphere. It had some basis, as plenty of rich fucks exhibited Epstein-like tendencies, engaging in sexual perversions and child rape, with homosexuality being classified alongside those acts.
>>2880601It had no basis, homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia.
>>2880565Che didn’t stay in Cuba and go undercover in UMAP camps where homos were held like Fidel did, actually meeting gay people turned his attitude around on it.
>>2880707bourgeois degeneracy
>>2879464>Both Che and the Afro-Cuban fighters became frustrated with what they viewed as the Congolese forces lack of military discipline, as well as their refusal to perform manual labor, which they considered work for slaves and a dishonor.Bleak
>>2880737And Chiang Kai Shek’s KMT was a paragon of liberal developmentalist democracy?
>>2880744calling Mao a liberal revolutionary is bourgeois degeneracy
>>2880753You could argue he’s sort of like if Simon Bolivar was successful and lived long enough to establish durable political institutions if you insist on China being capitalist, even if it is capitalist it’s better than being a colonial puppet like Chiang’s KMT, Manchukuo, or the Qing Dyansty.
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