/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Wanting freedom and wanting to suceed electorally are mutually exclusive. People vote against freedom 95% of the time. You cant call yourself a left libertarian and believe in electoralism or any type of state approved avenue. Also electoralism is gay and doesnt work.

Fascist tendency in a fascist org? Must be a day that ends in Y

>>2879025
I dont like the DSA's methods but I wouldn't say they're a fascist org.

>DSA LIBERTARIAN SOCIALIST CAUCUS
That's a funny punchline, but you seem to have missed providing the setup

DSA is libshit

they should join the maoist caucus so we can get shit popping

>>2879170
xddddddddd

>>2879170
Does that actually exist? Can't tell anymore.
>>2879077
>setup
The set up is the reality we live in, unfortunately.

>>2879179
don't confuse your clown show of a country for the world.
anarchists thankfully still organize in federations outside reformist coalitions in countries internationally, the 'setup' therefore would begin by setting the stage in this regard.
<t. not even anarchist.

>>2879051
you are right, the italian fascists were more left wing than the dsa

>>2879051
Retards with no understanding of the Marxist method dogmatically recruit takes from the 1930s (which were still wrong at the time) without any understanding of the reasoning or analysis that led to them in the first place. I'd even say that it's questionable whether you could really consider DSA a social democratic organization anyways given the number of MLs anarchists, and other non-socdems that occupy leading roles in it.

>>2879179
I think there are two maoist caucuses. but don't quote me.

>>2879303
hold this man down and feed him castor oil for his loyalty to ᴉuᴉlossnW

whats the point of having 100 different mini larp groups each with their own quirky leftoid ideology inside the same org?

>>2879364
It's changed radically over the last decade. Open MLs are now represented in its highest organs. It has no coherent or enforced line so it's not really independent of the factions that compose it.

>>2879363
italian fascism: class collaborationist national syndicalism that actually at the very least moved to integrate syndicates into their bourgeois government and attempted (even though in a very flawed fashion, taking handouts from banks hence jeopardizing any independent sovereignty) to nationalize industries
dsa: we will uh .. tax the hecking rich to give ephemeral social benefits that will vanish in 30 years

hmm i wonder which one is objectively more left wing..

>>2879387
>It has no coherent or enforced line
this means its de facto a socdem org

>>2879370
>>2879403
honestly even if these people want to fuck with electoralism this is not the way to go. what i would want to see is an organization that would try and elect mayors that would promote the steering of the productive forces in a mutualist direction, for instance providing material support to cooperatives. leftists still live in prehistoric times so do not understand that we do not live in an anarchy of production. the only reason musk has been as successful as he has been is due in no small part to government credit. i view the modern bourgois state as a joint stock corporation with expected dividends (especially after financial crises in the form of bailouts). directing said credit to workers owned enterprises that take government contracts would promote the proliferation of new cooperatives. there would of course be internal contradictions of bourgeois institutions which would be intensified by such a project as well as monopoly capitalists want to secure dominance with regards to their capitalization on us govt stock. you could even open up a big tent coalition with the distributists as they would likely be receptive to such a program but id imagine that these people would be averse to such an idea

>>2879431
also see bookchin's municipalist politics as a source of inspiration. personally though i am a localist i am not too into electoralism but i sometimes privately entertain this line as a possible side venture that could be established. already existing or even new formed cooperative federations could advance a party line that not only works to build dual power but also advances a position in electoral politics which secures them further material advantages

>>2879405
Non sequitur

>>2879436
nta but nope. if they do not have a coherent vision of what they actually want to do concretely they will just stay irrelevant and be swept up with the dominant liberal reformist tendencies. i believe they could possibly adopt >>2879431 as a starting strategy to advocate for

>>2879438
actually i might be speaking too definitively here but it is still a very real danger

>>2879438
The org as a whole may not but individual caucuses do.

>>2879446
i see, so what sort of strategies in the foreseeable future do they advocate for?

>>2879342
> I'd even say that it's questionable whether you could really consider DSA a social democratic organization anyways given the number of MLs anarchists, and other non-socdems that occupy leading roles in it.
I mean do they really? Functionally, they're not any of those things once they do them in the capacity that they do within the DSA. I genuinely cant understand someone both considering themselves an anarchist and working within the framework of the DSA. Marxists and ML's, ya thats fine you can find them everywhere.

>>2879303
nah

>>2879349
Seems like a great FBI honeypot.

>>2879456
"vote" but you know, for someone that says the lies you wanna hear!

>DSA is not socdem because it has MLs in it
funny considering how many ML states have fully embraced social-democracy