/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2880777
>die
he didnt just die he was executed by anti-communist bureaukkkrackers

Stalin was an ultra leftist, he kept killing people over ideological purity instead of compro.ising

>>2880806
Stalin did lot of retarded shit mate

porky praising him is not the own you think

>>2880803
Litteraly. That's why the "Stalin red brown" narrative never made sense. Man just could not moderate.

>>2880809
yeah, but ending the NEP wasn't one of them

>>2880815
ultroids could never

>>2880777
>A century later your writings becomes fundamental in modern Marxist thought
But you even admit yourself that you are a Lassallean cuck, why are you speaking for "Marxists"?
>Ts is where China got their "do nothing, win" strategy from
It worked so well in the USSR during Khrushchev-to-Gorbachev.

Bukharin was rehabilitated during Gorbachev btw, in case the unoriginal, reactionary-derivative aesthetics of the OP got distracting.

>>2880838
The Soviets were active participants in the Cold War. Bukharanism's core philosophy is to build sufficient capital for a modern socialist state before undertaking any broader international revolution.

>>2880849
>The Soviets were active participants in the Cold War. Bukharanism's core philosophy is to build sufficient capital for a modern socialist state before undertaking any broader international revolution.
As opposed to just getting carpet bombed and agent oranged?
Sounds smart. Really crazy a guy like that was sidelined as Nazi Germany was invading the USSR.

>>2880849
how would that work in the face of encirclement that the US was undertaking in massive supercharged amounts by the 1950s though?

>>2880806
Why does Stalin get credit for fighting Nazis? Didn't his stupidity/naivete lead to the Nazis making huge gains and killing a shitload of Soviet citizens in the opening salvos of the war because they were caught with their pants down? I'm not a WWII historian or anything that's just what I heard.

lol 2026 "lefty"pol is so right-wing people unironically think $talin was an ultra, I bet these are the same people who think "socialism" is getting more popular than ever
just shut it down already

>>2880859
Stop listening to glowies.

>>2880877
nta but it's objectively true that the purge of the Red Army's officer corps was one of the reasons Operation Barbarossa achieved its initial successes. It also gave the Nazis the confidence to invade, as they believed there would never be a better opportunity.
That said, in the context of preserving power, he wasn't wrong. There almost certainly would have been a coup, it's the nature of these kinds of governments.

>>2880870
Having socially conservative views and an isolationist foreign policy doesnt make someone not an ultra you know.
Trotsky was also an ultra for different reasons.
Lenin, Bukharin etc understood that you can't get everything all at once.

>>2880890
>nta but it's objectively true that the purge of the Red Army's officer corps was one of the reasons Operation Barbarossa achieved its initial successes.
wrong. The military was constantly growing through the 1930s. Read Getty.
(btw, even of the percentages initially removed shown here, a third were re-instated.)

>>2880925
this doesn't prove anything since it all it means is that new officers were being sent to the field, not that good officers were being sent to the field, which is actually what's being argued here

>>2880926
No, it means that your idea of some massive officer purge is not true.

>>2880859
>Didn't his stupidity/naivete lead to the Nazis making huge gains and killing a shitload of Soviet citizens in the opening salvos of the war because they were caught with their pants down?
It did.
He also deserves the blame for enabling tje nazis with the molotov ribbentrop pact and giving them the opportunity to invade the ussr in the first place.

>>2880930
lad the officer purge happened in 1940 and 1941, where's the data for that?

>>2880918
he purged all communists from the party, disolved the comintern and helped create israel, but of course this is not rightist enough for the average berniebro leftypoltard
you really must have some terminal hitlerite brainrot to think this person was an "ultra", whatever it is that word means in your head, you are too far gone

>>2880934
an ultra-rightist, maybe

>>2880934
You are mentally ill. And Stalin was an ultra.

>>2880890
>>2880925
The Soviet officer purge is often very misunderstood.
The soviet union as was said previously was going trough a massive and rapid military expansion and as such would've lacked the necessary number of experienced officers to staff them even without a purge.
Second.
The officer purges were almost entirely targeted at the upper echelon of command.
So portraying the amount of officers purged compared to the total number of officers is again not really an accurate way of portray its scale.

>>2880796
Rest in piss koba.

>>2880944
>no args
another rightoid defeat on my resume, feels good

>>2880811
Stalin represented the moderate approach between left and right factions of the party before usurping power and declaring himself a czar of a slave empire.

This dude gave Stalin his own house after Nadezhda killed herself and Stalin needed a new place to not be haunted by her. Then Stalin killed him and kept the house.

>>2880950
I'm a Stalin defender. I think some version of it was necessary, but I also think it was a huge miscalculation that could have lost the war because of its terrible timing. Stalin viewed Japan as the more immediate threat and assumed Germany would never be foolish enough to fight a two-front war.

>>2880949
>There were a lot of Ukrainians and Balts who could have gotten on board with German occupation had it provided them with relief from the famines and the purges they had endured under Stalin. It didn't take long, however, before they came to the realisation that the Nazis were, somehow, even more indiscriminately murderous
Alternate reality where reactionaries & oppoetunists care about "muh evil"
Total liberal googoo gaga gibberish

>>2880971
just because you don't care doesn't mean that others won't

>>2880972
There objectively existed nazi collaborators among both balts and ukrainians, *and* they rehabilitated all those nazis today, so it seems you really are living in an alternate reality

>>2880966
>Stalin viewed Japan as the more immediate threat and assumed Germany would never be foolish enough to fight a two-front war.

Not unreasonable at the time tbh.

>>2880966
>I'm a Stalin defender. I think some version of it was necessary, but I also think it was a huge miscalculation that could have lost the war because of its terrible timing.

I think it's one of those things that doesn't necessarily have a right or wrong answer, especially when you're looking at it in context rather than from hindsight.

>>2880971
>Alternate reality where reactionaries & oppoetunists care about "muh evil"
i mean even the most infamous of the ukrainian nazi collaborators, the OUN spent most of the second world war fighting against the germans and opportunistically using their occupation for their own ultranationalist ends

>>2880971
Fine, the mass slaughter of Ukrainians and Balts was a militarily poor idea because it created an active partisan movement and limited recruitment. Really all they had to do was leave them alone or temporarily give them some form of self-rule or a state, like >>2880988 said. Even some of the biggest Nazi collaborators turned against them due to the SS's pointless slaughter.

>>2880966
Calculating the effect of the purges is really based on whether the officers that got replaced wouldve done a better job compared to the ones that replaced them.
Which is again impossible for us to know or calculate.
There were old experienced officers that didnt get purged that performed terribly in the war
there were new young inexperinced officers that were rapidly promoted due to gap in command that ended up becoming famous and were very capable.
The real biggest impact the purges did have was the culture it created among the officer core which was one of total fear passivity lack of iniative rigid conformity to pre-established strategies and doctrines and unwillingness to act on anything without the explicit orders from higher command.
The second biggest impact the purge created was the attachment of political commissars who were members of the communist party who had no military training and experience assigned to military units to make sure the soldiers and officers were "ideologically pure" they outranked the officers in charge of the military units they were assigned to and could and often did revoke orders made by them and ordered them to act based on what they instead thought was best, often to disastrous results.

>>2880995
Pretending that purging the entire experienced officer corps wasn't a cause of the German onslaught and that the pointless slaughter had no consequences is frankly ridiculous. Even Soviet historians in Russia don't believe this.

>>2881005
Hey real quick what would you say the class character of this experienced officer corps and where did they accumulate that experience btw

>>2881014
bro it had been like 20 years since the revolution, plenty of them were solid and reliable

>>2881014
Many came from the lower nobility, while others were younger sons from large landowning families. They were quite literally, necessary to win the Russian Civil War.

>>2881005
They didnt purge the entire corps only a small minority of it.
The side effects of the purge that i outlined on the previous post played a much bigger role than the individuals who were killed.
There were experienced officers like Kliment Voroshilov and Semyon Budyonny
Who were the only two marshals of the soviet union to avoid execution that ended up being relieved and replaced during the due to performing very poorly once the war started.
Like i said its impossible for us to know whether the individuals who were purged wouldve been better or worse at commanding than the ones who replaced them.

>>2881014
most white army officers had been relieved after the civil war the officers that were purged overwhelming of working or peasant and communist background.
And the purges didnt happen because of any actual evidence of supposed treachery or coup in the armed forces but instead the paranoid delirium of stalin and his associates.

>>2881014
most of the soviet army corps by the great purge were very loyal to the union and at that point were proletarian

>>2880877
https://www.marxists.org/archive/khrushchev/1956/02/24.htm

Nikita Kruschev, in his speech to the 20th congress of the VKP(b), pinpoits at Stalin's prior military purges & military directives throughout the war

>Very grievous consequences, especially with regard to the beginning of the war, followed Stalin’s annihilation of many military commanders and political workers during 1937-1941 because of his suspiciousness and through slanderous accusations. During these years repressions were instituted against certain parts of our military cadres beginning literally at the company- and battalion-commander levels and extending to higher military centers. During this time, the cadre of leaders who had gained military experience in Spain and in the Far East was almost completely liquidated.

>And, as you know, we had before the war excellent military cadres which were unquestionably loyal to the Party and to the Fatherland. Suffice it to say that those of them who managed to survive, despite severe tortures to which they were subjected in the prisons, have from the first war days shown themselves real patriots and heroically fought for the glory of the Fatherland. I have here in mind such [generals] as: [Konstantin] Rokossovsky (who, as you know, had been jailed); [Alexander] Gorbatov; [Kiril] Meretskov (who is a delegate at the present Congress); [K. P.] Podlas (he was an excellent commander who perished at the front); and many, many others. However, many such commanders perished in the camps and the jails and the Army saw them no more.

>It would be wrong to forget that, after [our] severe initial disaster[s] and defeat[s] at the front, Stalin thought that it was the end. In one of his [declarations] in those days he said: “Lenin left us a great legacy and we’ve lost it forever.”

>After this Stalin for a long time actually did not direct military operations and ceased to do anything whatsoever. He returned to active leadership only when a Politbiuro delegation visited him and told him that steps needed to be taken immediately so as to improve the situation at the front.

>Stalin was very far from understanding the real situation that was developing at the front. This was natural because, during the whole Patriotic War, he never visited any section of the front or any liberated city except for one short ride on the Mozhaisk highway during a stabilized situation at the front. To this incident were dedicated many literary works full of fantasies of all sorts and so many paintings. Simultaneously, Stalin was interfering with operations and issuing orders which did not take into consideration the real situation at a given section of the front and which could not help but result in huge personnel losses.

>When an exceptionally serious situation for our Army developed in the Kharkov region in 1942, we correctly decided to drop an operation whose objective was to encircle [the city]. The real situation at that time would have threatened our Army with fatal consequences if this operation were continued.

>We communicated this to Stalin, stating that the situation demanded changes in [our] operational plans so that the enemy would be prevented from liquidating a sizable concentration of our Army.

>Contrary to common sense, Stalin rejected our suggestion. He issued the order to continue the encirclement of Kharkov, despite the fact that at this time many [of our own] Army concentrations actually were threatened with encirclement and liquidation.

>I telephoned to [Marshal Alexander] Vasilevsky and begged him: “Alexander Mikhailovich, take a map” – Vasilevsky is present here – “and show comrade Stalin the situation that has developed.” We should note that Stalin planned operations on a globe
(Animation in the hall.)

>Vasilevsky replied, saying that Stalin had already studied this problem. He said that he, Vasilevsky, would not see Stalin further concerning this matter, because the latter didn’t want to hear any arguments on the subject of this operation.

>After my talk with Vasilevsky, I telephoned to Stalin at his dacha. But Stalin did not answer the phone and Malenkov was at the receiver. I told comrade Malenkov that I was calling from the front and that I wanted to speak personally to Stalin. Stalin informed me through Malenkov that I should speak with Malenkov. I stated for the second time that I wished to inform Stalin personally about the grave situation which had arisen for us at the front. But Stalin did not consider it convenient to pick up the phone and again stated that I should speak to him through Malenkov, although he was only a few steps from the telephone.

>After “listening” in this manner to our plea, Stalin said: “Let everything remain as it is!”

>And what was the result of this? The worst we had expected. The Germans surrounded our Army concentrations and as a result [the Kharkov counterattack] lost hundreds of thousands of our soldiers. This is Stalin’s military “genius.” This is what it cost us.
(Movement in the hall.)

>The military knows that as late as the end of 1941, instead of great operational maneuvers flanking [our] opponent and penetrating behind his back, Stalin was demanding incessant frontal [counter-]attacks and the [re-]capture of one village after another.

>Because of this, we paid with great losses – until our generals, upon whose shoulders the whole weight of conducting the war rested, succeeded in altering the situation and shifting to flexible-maneuver operations. [This] immediately brought serious changes at the front [that were] favorable to us.

There are also many other passages as such, but you get the general idea.

>>2881015
Yes, that's why barely any were actually purged. Only the schizo freaks like Tukhachevsky were shot.

>>2881045
tukachevsky was arguably one of the best of his time, he also was strange but he genuinely did nothing wrong

Again back to the main point, regardless of how you feel about it, the USSR had a strong possibility of producing a "Red Napoleon" and that wasn't an unfounded fear. During the Brezhnev years it was effectively a military dictatorship, as was much of the Eastern Bloc. Even today, some of the biggest supporters of the Eastern Bloc are former military officers who miss the amount of power they once had under the Marxist-Leninist system.

>>2881066
>Theodoru was a far-right politician and general who engaged in Holocaust denial.[3][4][5] A former member of the Romanian Communist Party, Theodoru was among the founders of the Greater Romania Party, holding the position of vice-president, but he was ousted from the party after a conflict with the then-president of the party, Corneliu Vadim Tudor.[6]
>In March 2025, he was detained by the Romanian government after prosecutors accused him of trying to overthrow the government with alleged Russian support.[7][8] He was 101 years old when his house was raided during the government investigation into the planned coup.[5]
>Theodoru was an admirer of Joseph Stalin, because "he sought to destroy Zionism".[15] He also admired Russian president Vladimir Putin.[15] Far-right[16][17] Romanian politician Diana Șoșoacă has publicly supported Theodoru.[15]
glorious

>>2881045
>Yes, that's why barely any were actually purged.

3 out of 5 of the Marshalls of the Soviet Union were purged (Tukhachevsky,Blyukher,Yegorov)

>Only the schizo freaks like Tukhachevsky were shot.

He "used to" believe in slavic mythology, who he later dismissed as his "embarrassing, childish past". He was well integrated in the communist military leadership. His last notable "schizo freak" action was petitioning Slavic Paganism to be the state-religion of the Union in the early phase.
He was an exceptionally gifted commander, who would efficiently manage numerous civil war fronts, revolts & would led the Red Army forces to the Warsaw with fewer army strength. (Which would be divided due to disagreements between Stalin/Budyonny & Tukhachevsky and fail in the assault)

Never forget that the nazis actively forged documents about "his ties with the SS" or something, and they were the most pleased after his tragic purge. (The papers obtained from nazis weren't used in his persecution either…)

Vasily Blyukher was the Soviet General who would oversee & plan the operational depth of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Expedition

All of the purged Soviet generals had more comprehensive theories and understanding of modern warfare and military tactics, who would actually demonstrate it.

Just like Konstantin Rokossovsky, who is arguably the "most talented" Soviet Marshall of the Eastern Front, who would always succeed in operational depth in the battle with less casualties than the enemy, in contrast to Zhukov etc who would often accomplish the objective with high casualties. He was also the Marshall who primarily had overseen Operation Bagration, an amazing magnum opus of deep battle operations- which would disintegrate the entire central army of Germany with consecutive, neverending strategic assaults.
But what was his status before he was called? He was imprisoned, and was probably on the execution list for being an advocator of Tukhachevsky's tactics.
How can you "justify" that??

>>2881069
>He was an exceptionally gifted commander
You have to understand what that means, cause in 100% cases that means someone like >>2881068

>>2880777
Why Stalin killed Bukharin?

why stalin kill bukharin

>>2880994
>the mass slaughter of Ukrainians and Balts
Nevee happened

>>2880859

Actually the Soviet leadership did begin mobilizing & moving more troops to the border in anticipation of an impending Naxi attack, its just that it was not fully completed with the troops properly dug in.

Which of his works are worth reading?