Marxism is part of Western culture. It's the combination of English political economy (e.g. Mill, Ricardo, Smith), French socialism (e.g. Fourier, Proudhon, Saint-Simon) and German philosophy (e.g. Hegel, Fichte, Feuerbach).
What is anti-Western about it?
Cuz eastern societies embraced it or something
They usually point out to Karl Marx having Jewish ancestry while conveniently ignoring that Friedrich Engels was an ethnic German.
Marxism is accused of bring Eurocentric more than it is accused of being anti-Western.
>>2881635>Marxism is accused of bring Eurocentric more than it is accused of being anti-Western.depends on what information bubble you're in. American conservatives accuse it of being anti-western while American libs accuse it of being eurocentric. idk how it is in Europe, Latin America, Asia, Africa.
>>2881642>Amerivan conservativesI don't consider these people bubbles of "information", personally.
>American libs accuse it of being eurocentricI don't think I have seen American liberals speaknon Marx. They are just as uncultured as conservatives.
>>2881642goes to show you how race obsessed both groups are, literally can't wrap their head around the concept of organizing around something other race or gender
>>2881648the term information bubble is only meant to imply that people are locked in echo chambers, not that the echo chamber in question is necessarily full of valid or correct info
>>2881625The point of the Enlightenment concept of liberty is private property rights. Marxists want to abolish private property. Simple as.
>>2881648>I don't think I have seen American liberals speaknon Marx. They are just as uncultured as conservatives.Yeah they don't know enough about it to get that far. I can see black Pan-African nationalists say that maybe.
Because something being western is a meaningless term, so its an easy buzzword for people to get a hard on for if they know nothing but want to sound intelligent.
Pickles are anti western.
they're stuck on outmoded geographic conceptions of political theory and haven't updated their mental models to account for the globalized modern high-tech world. when you have chinese multinational conglomerates pillaging the african subcontinent for rare earth metals to build EV batteries it's time to update your thinking.
>gestures vaguely at /USA/pol
Because of you.
>Why do right-wingers say Marxism is anti-Western?
because it is
>>2881994le funny drawing man.. means i le OWNED le you….
>>2881625Because it undercuts the supremacy of the west, or rather denies that it has an inherent essence that establishes it's supremacy, that it is only transiently on top because of historical circumstances and won't necessarily be on top eternally (communism) and that neither should we seek to preserve it as the top, and is infact an malignant agent of evil in the world
>>2881997You know that Marx promoted race realism?
He assumed that only Europeans could bring about socialism, that everyone else were to be pets
>>2882002He lived during a time when colonialism was still a progressive force, it isn't any longer.
>>2882002cant forget the classic slogan
>Workers of only Europe, unite! >>2881625
>What is anti-Western about it?I blame campists for this wide-spread perspective. The idea of an international struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie has been successfully degenerated into a conflict between geopolitical blocs. It does not matter anymore that every bloc is led by its own bourgeois ruling class, because the West is treated as the primary embodiment of imperialism and capitalism, the east has been giving a pass in all their policies as long as they are claiming to fight the west
Western imperialism is condemned, while Eastern imperialism is portrayed as necessary or as a response to the west. What a joke
>>2882001you are…. le REDDIT….
>>2882011
you dont understand
if everyone else is bad, it is morally justifiable to be bad
thats why communists love chris columbus
It's mostly due to the geopolitics on the cold war.
One also have to understand that western havent meant "white" for quite some times now. Serbian nationalist with white supremacist views is anti-west while oily Saudi baron is western.
Cuckservatism links support for capitalism with White Westoid Identity politics.
Why are you asking this question here?
whole thread is filled with morons saying
>uh idk dude
>oh my god youre so smart
>>2882661the west is pro-pedophile, and marx clearly wrote about his love of milfs
>>2882679
i am much more fat than this
>>2881625>Pro-western>For mass immigrationIt explains itself
>>2881625Because Marx = communism = the left = liberals = racism bad = anti white = anti western.
Ideological consistency matter less than assocaiting vibes.
>>2882764How does Marxism support "mass immigration"?
>>2882765>the left = liberals>racism bad = anti-whiteWrong.
Probably because of the authoritarianism. The founding fathers build America with democracy and freedom in mind. But that also implies that democratic socialism is fine.
>>2882765"The left" isn't just all trans rights or whatever, like you think it is. The left focuses on worker rights and unity.
>>2883016>The left focuses on worker rights and unity.Bro thinks its still the 20th century
I mean you can see a loud and large portion of people on the Left today basically despise westerners and some of it reeks of a bizarre orientalism, like "I wanna LARP as a Maoist Red Guard" which is just a completely alien landscape from what most people in the West grow up with.
>>2882764end imperialism and climate change and people will no longer have an incentive to leave their bombed, sanctioned, embargoed, blockaded, loansharked, couped, balkanized, polluted, enslaved nations
>>2883005That's literally how rightard brain works m8.
>>2883005>wrongoften true
>>2883013No, the reason they dislike it is because they have been indocinatred with a unquestioning anti-communist dogma for all of their lives. And the "Founding Fathers" only wanted freedom for themselves and other rich people. They never wanted the average person to be free. Most people in the early USA couldn't even vote. You had to own land in order to vote and be white and male.
>>2883016The guy you are replying to obviously knows that. He was answering OP's question from a the perspective of a hypothetical stupid reactionary which he does not share… are you able to critically reason from a perspective which you do not hold for the purposes of answering a question? Yes? Good. Now wouldn't it be frustrating if someone took you literally after you did that?
>>2883158bro literally lacks the critical thinking skills to realize anon was answering from a hypothetical rightard perspective.
>>2883005>How does Marxism support "mass immigration"?There is literally not a single left-wing party against mass immigration
>>2887116Actually, a lot of leftist parties are anti-imperialists, which, in the final analysis, means that if imperialism is abolished, so too will the conditions that make "mass immigration" possible. A proletarian dictatorship in the center sharing technologies with the periphery does more to end "mass immigration" than any kind of particular national policy would. This is why it is necessary not to alienate in words "mass immigrants" because they too are just labor-power going there, where there's a lot need for such a commodity on the world market. To draw a closed loop and say, migration of labor force inside is okay, and migration from outside inside is not okay, is to engage, essentially, in nationalism. Labor-force is a universal commodity because there is just one market - the world market.
>>2882001Using a soyjak automatically makes someone retarded
>>2887116Do you evn know why this is the case or are you just saying things?
>>2887120>sharing technologies with the peripherySure, but the periphery will be an unlivable desert in 20 years anyway, so people are gonna need to move regardless
because west is good and marx is bad,good is good and bad is bad,so marx is anti-Western
Because they are mouthbreathing shitflingers
The concept of the west was propaganda made to get Americans on board with Anglo-French colonial activities until the US could take the wheel, made easier by the UK-centric world map being standardized. White America was founded by Puritans that got rid of the few surviving pre-Christian European traditions, so any talk of America being in the west actually refers to the Rothschild bankers that Lincoln-era Republicans failed to stamp out
>>2887864Lol, as if your stupid rationalizations changes anything. Literally all of them are for mass immigration.
>>2889941Mass immigration isn't real faggot
>>2881625Every right winger in any nation always says Marxism is a fireign interloper. In the west, its anti-western, outside the west, its an anti-nationalist western infiltration.
>>2890072You have threads bitching about "freedom of movement", of course it's real, otherwise your political movement would have something else it actually organized around.
>>2881625Because Marxists most people will ever see or interact with are anti-American, say the USA is evil, racist, fascist, that we should be subject to arbitrary government control, that free speech is bad ("freeze peach"), that guns should be confiscated, private property is bad and should be collectivized, wealth should be leveled, etc. all of which goes against the Enlightenment and America's founding principles. Demanding infinite immigration doesn't help either. There's clips of people like Hasan saying they want to destroy the white race.
Now you might say those people are dumb academics or not "real Marxists" but they outnumber you 100-1 and judging by places like this it's not much of a clear distinction anyway especially if you praise the USSR and China. And when some lefty group tries to be more patriotic like ACP they just get called fascists.
Now some Americans might agree communism is European, because they view Euros are bureaucratic control freaks who hate freedom. They'd point out one reason America is so successful is because of rejecting Euro values.
>>2881625<What is anti-Western about it?nothing, and they're retards who don't read anyway.
Because modern leftism is just a vehicle for anti-white resentment and white people built the West
Why not destroy monarchy, the Church, the family, and put a bunch of shudras in charge? Worked well for France and America lmao
>>2892671>Because modern leftism is just a vehicle for anti-white resentment and white people built the Westleftism and marxism are not synonyms. Anyway classical marxism doesnt really say much about race anyway since its built for a western european context anyway
>>2892671Why shouldn’t the other races resent whites?
>>2887122>Using a soyjak automatically makes someone retardedObsessed wit us
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