>start a left wing populist org
>a bajillion factions form out of the fact that your economic theory is vague as shit
>get a really loud but small left wing faction
>be DSA
>pic unrelated
TRVTH NVKE idiot gringos aren't ready for.
Does this mean Graham Platner was the DSA’s Chiang Kai Shek and he got purged before he could make the gun run the party?
what's the DSA Taiwan
she guomindang on my zhongguo till i taiwan
Who is their Sun Yat Sen?
>>2890810Bernie. He'll be regarded highly by both radicals and moderates as the pioneer of their movement.
>>2890830Not with his awful uncritical approach to the Biden administration and his consistent liberal zionism, him and AOC have fully discredited themselves, and so have the newer faces like Zohran and AES.
>>2890830Nah Bernie is not a member of DSA. Zohran is closer to SYS than him
>>2890872Are you like a bot or something?
>>2890877What about my response makes you think I’m a bot? Bernie has an objectively terrible stance on Palestine and it leaks into all his other politics, which is why I make it the litmus test
>>2890881Bitch someone casually mentioned Bernie in relation to DSA and you immediately criticize Bernie's liberal zionism. Like it is so obvious it is a trigger word for you to dilute and pollute the discussion in this thread
>>2890889The first thing I critiqued was his support of the still awful neoliberal Biden administration which led directly to Trump 2, him and AOC share that responsibility and have discredited themselves on that basis even if disregard zionism as an issue.
>>2890895Yes it’s a personal trigger, I admit I was fooled by these people, I won’t be fooled again or allow others to be fooled
(Stop derailing the thread then) >>2890037I'm not a liberal but that's still the leading progressive force of history for the US. Let them have that
>>2890877To be honest I don't like Zohran or Bernie as SYS, they don't have a vision beyond necessary welfare stuff. Sun Yat Sen argued for China to go over a revolutionary change from a decaying monarchy into a modern welfare capitalist republic, with some fancy socialist and anarchist inspired conceptual framework. He's the Washington of China. Among US socialists he'd be someone like Eugene Debs, nobody today really fits the mantle
>>2892946I’m going to keep doing it to make you mad
>>2890810>He is going to gain prominence between 2027-2029>He will do "Easternization" similar to westernization that Sun Yat Sen did with his influence from Western thinkers like Henry GeorgeChina is also gaining popularity among the youth and with how their government is ran. So it isn't out of line that the American SYS will be inspired by the Chinese socialist system
>>2891337Debs is like the precursor to DSA though, I do agree with
>>2892964 that the closet to SYS in DSA has yet to arrive. But i doubt they would be inspired by Chinese socialist system. Chinese centralization is too much for Americans to swallow.
and what pray tell is the "loud but small left wing" of the DSA that is at all comparable to the left KMT/CPC?
>>2893843nothing comparable to the cpc but you can find plenty of left kmt people comparable to dsa types "the left KMT" was basically anyone who thought the shoot on sight rule for communists was too harsh
>>2893843Closest persona would be someone similar to Huey Long being SYS
My dad is a anarcholiberal that started getting into DSA politics.
He says the shit I say about "social fascists" is being said in the DSA discords and reddit about social democrats.
Because the terminally online DSA posters see themselves as Democratic Socialists.
I don't think there is a meaningful difference between the two as they both see reform as a valid strategy to rehabilitate capitalism but it is funny to see it turn into a sort of umbrella organization for all kinds of irrelevant socialism.
Get the chinese money, build the org
>>2892964>He will do "Easternization" similar to westernization that Sun Yat Sen did with his influence from Western thinkers like Henry GeorgeThe American political system is so ossifed that it's going to fail hard. They're literally out of ideas and nothing epitomizes this better than them trying to force-meme Kopmala 2028.
>>2893169>But i doubt they would be inspired by Chinese socialist system.That's because the Chinese system was built for China. I think it'll be an inspiration for socialist movements all over the world like the USSR was but attempting to rotely copy the system will fail.
>>2924452Today's "democratic socialists" are literally the original social democracy that believe that socialism can be attained through electoralism and reform as espoused by the likes of Bernstein and others. Today's "social democrats" have been essentially market liberals ever since Bad Godesberg.
>>2924996the model only applicable to the chinese context:
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