>Broke with Lenin's militant atheism and began to reconcile with the Russian Orthodox Church
>Hated abstract art and promoted "socialist realism" over the avant-garde of the Proletkult
>Recriminalized homosexuality under the pretext of increasing the birth rate
Stalin sucked compared to his predecessor.
Not as much as cucktin
>>2904837>>Hated abstract art and promoted "socialist realism" over the avant-garde of the Proletkult>>Recriminalized homosexuality under the pretext of increasing the birth rateBoth of these rocked, actually.
>>2904895Nah using politics to leverage petty aesthetic or lifestyle gripes is for losers
>>2904837The Russian Orthodox Church was and is merely a puppet of whoever rules Russia.
>>2904912Abstract art is individualistic trash. Homosexuality as a political identity is false consciousness.
Stalin was the type of guy to call himself a dialectical thinker while thinking dialectics is when "thesis + antithesis = synthesis."
He thought he could dialectics being reactionary and being revolutionary together.
Socialist realism was just the skills and resources of the art industry under control of the workers, believe it or not abrstract art meant nothing to most Soviet people because its elitist and you need a degree to understand (and even once you understand you probably aren’t going to like it, I imagine most art students only pretend to like it because they’ve sunk so much time into it)
>>2904995Capitalist art also adresses the lowest common denominator to reache the masses in the era of mass consumption which makes our society artistically AES
>stalin did this or that
Stalin was a secretary. He signed off on whatever the politburo decided
He had to submit his proposals for vote just like everybody else
It's just that he had a lot of populist clout, that's all
>>2904995The lament of proletkult is all fake anyway.
Instead of having artistic cliques, they just centralized cultural prpduction. The constructivists kept working and making stuff, it's just that it wasn't that popular in the fine arts, but found some use in print.
Also, constructivism had its ultimate victory with the ugly ass khruschevkas, because they were allegedly cheaper than socrealist stalinkas
>>2904837>Broke with Lenin's militant atheism and began to reconcile with the Russian Orthodox ChurchHe did that in 1943 in order to dissuade the ROC from collaborating with the Nazis. After the war was over he immediately resumed the suppression of religion.
>>2905006>The lament of proletkult is all fake anyway.Wdym?
>Instead of having artistic cliques, they just centralized cultural prpduction.Who’s “they” do you mean the Soviets under the prolekult era or socialist realist era?
>constructivists kept working and making stuff, it's just that it wasn't that popular in the fine arts, but found some use in print.Right, I’m not against constructivism, I actually like it personally I just don’t think that artists should use infinite amount of time, effort, and tools for distribution for what amounts to playing around with paint if you know what i mean, of course doing it recreationally in your own time with consumer paints is a different thing
>>2905034I mean that people act like le evil neoclassicist conservatives purged the proletcult movement, in fact it was just consolidation of state organs for efficiency
Ideological crotique of proletkult was a separate thing
There was no tyrannical suppresdion of proletkult, it's just that people geniinely did not relate to it, it looked ugly when turned into real architecture, and the budgets were often outlandish
Imagine being handed this sketch, towering over st basil cathedral, with a bill of gorillian labpr vouchers attached
>>2905112(NTA) To be fair I think it would be pretty straightforward for us to do shit like that now
lenin walked so that stalin could run
>>2905112Looks cool, like a cosmodrome, which makes it truly ahead of its time
The revolution was doomed from the start but no one could know it at the time
>>2905112What is that last one it’s like actual sci fi shit
>>2904837Can you tell me exactly why any of that is bad beyond it hurting your feelings?
>>2904837>over the avant-garde of the ProletkultBecause nobody understood the Soviet Avant-Garde at the time, they were supposed to making propaganda and were making like a triangle and bunch of boxes lol.
Another part that gets glossed over in the west is that pretty much everyone involved in the Soviet Avant-Garde were massive unhinged BPD dramacow edgelords. Think the type of people that would get their own NZfarms threads and ED articles.
95% of abstract art is an agreement between pseudo-intellectuals and billionaires. The vain former needs to be praised for mediocrity, the conniving latter needs to launder his blood money.
>>2905190that is beautiful
did we really need another thread about this anti-communist manlet? its time to move on from 20th century larps
>>2905316But anon! If I move on from the 20th century I might have to have my own opinions!
>>2905316>anti-communist manlet? This is just provocative and you are wondering why there is discussion surrounding him still. Literally reinforces MLs vs Trots
>>2905329>This is just provocativeits literally just an objective description of him
>>2905336Even though he spread socialism across Eastern Europe…
>>2905343And what good did turning eastern European CHAZ do? That’s what the whole thing was in the end
>>2905348>And what good did turning eastern European CHAZ do?Turning a backwards semi-feudal society to a socialist industrialized superpower and spread socialism throughout Eastern Europe,Mongolia,China and Korea. It did a lot of good
>>2905353Spreading capitalism to africa and asia is good sure, but it didn’t conquer the west, which is what it needed to do.
>>2905355>Spreading capitalism to africa and asia is good sure<The USSR spread capitalism across the world and wasnt socialistThis is just an unserious position
>>2905359In practice they were capitalist, not the neoliberal hell of the US and west, but state directed capitalist with the state as the main capitalist headed by a communist party who hoped to eventually create the conditions for statelessness and classlessness but this never materialized. So far socialist parties have only ever come into power in semi feudal, semi colonial, or fully colonized nations who cannot conquer their former colonizers and most of the time wouldn’t have an interest in doing so.
>>2905368Communism isn’t the absence of capitalism but it’s rationalization and synthesis with the Oriental mode of production
>>2905371And so far that project has been a complete failure unless you consider China flooding the US market with cheap goods to be a success
>>2905316Reminder that mods will ban you for le sectarianism if you criticize anarchism or leftcom infantilism, but posts like these stay up
"leftcoms" are legit a CIA psyop, rather than appresenting fair criticism of socialism while recognizing actual sucesses, they will engage into blatant mockery and falsification of marxism, by framing socialist projects as "not true socialism" and constantly circlejerk their anti-campism every single time the US Military Commands begin to plan and operare, same with dissuading people from organizing due to theorical "puritanism" (by being puritans, they are siding with the counterrevolution on a left wing opportunist perspectice, as you consider, bukharin, liu shaoqi and deng xiaoping also utilized ultraleft positions to dissuade reactionaries)
>>2905384Its known that the CIA created the intelligentsia-led brand of left-wing politics that have dominated the west since forever, why can't people put 2 and 2 together and realize leftcoms are just the 2.0 version of that same strategy of perverting and mudding the water?
>hate all AES states and anti-imperialist states
>actively propagandize against all AES states and anti-imperialist states
>create as much conflict and dishonest bad faith arguing as possible, rendering effective communication very difficult
>mock and campaign against each and every attempt at taking any action whatsoever
>if cornered, default to slurs, liberal revisionism and anti-communist propaganda
>have a soyjak folder
Am I talking about glowies or leftcoms.
>>2905384>>2905394>>2905396And what are you gonna do about it?
Really it comes down to whether you think capitalism actually builds the base for socialism, at this point I completely disagree. Socialism, at least attempts at it, only come from semi feudal and colonial conditions, as soon as the bourgeois became effective and entrenched the proletariat becomes entirely pacified and domesticated. No socialists so far have been able to resist or overcome domestication. Marx and Lenin didn’t live to see mass media, consumer credit, suburbanization, or the ideological effects of the automobile.
>>2905397Nothing.
Their whole ideology revolves around sucking off long dead corpses
>>2904837>Whining about socialist realismEasiest way to spot a total and complete libtard
>>2904837>Hated abstract art and promoted "socialist realism" over the avant-garde of the ProletkultBased
>>2904837What
>>2905148 said, The Revolution was always doomed to be taken over by a man like Stalin. None of the soft ideological Old Bolsheviks would have had much chance of surviving. Ironically, Stalin may have been one of the less reactionary options compared with the scores of Red Army officers who could potentially have seized power.
In such a violent period, only a particularly ruthless type of man could realistically take power. retards bring up Sverdlov and Trotsky, but I don't think either of them had a chance in hell. Given the way the USSR functioned, it seems to me that someone like Stalin or a military figure like Brezhnev was far more likely to emerge victorious than any of the old Bolsheviks.
>>2904837All three are based.
I told you communism was advanced feudalism.
>>2906176Who won and who lost?
>>2909408>the workers must be protected from atheism and abstract shapesoh nonononono kulakeks… the tsar's reign is over…
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