/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Also he was basically like the proto-peter thiel he was a technofascist. But for some reason larouche also larped as a marxist even when he didn't believe in a single thing marx said, probably cuz he used to be a trot…

There's a forum called LaRouche Continued where ex-members post about it going back to the 1970s.

>In this era, we were THE Communists and Lyn was THE expert on Marx . Our goal was to build a socialist word that we would run. Prior National Conferences were called "Strategy for Socialism". We pretty much were hated by the left as police agents sent to destroy the left and Lyn pretty much had whatever useful students from the left in the Labor Committee.

>The Rockefellers were the number one enemy of the human race and every single item we published always had plenty of "connecto" to make them the main conspiracy.

>Soon after this, Larouche figured out that there was no money to be made off of unemployed workers at the local unemployment center and being THE expert on Marx and communism was not going to get you far in the USA. Soon after we became clean cut boys and girls at FEF card table shrines at as many airports as we could get into. Now our communist NEC and NC leaders became experts on the "American System". Larouche now became the number one enemy of Russia and only he could strop the Soviets from ruling to world.

>What I think was going on was at this time, we printed a special report called the "P.I.T. Brief" . This was "Carter and the Party of International Terror". This was a neat early computer produced document that had all of the enemies of Larouche and humanity entered in a data base and along with our mysticism, we showed how everything from A-Z was now The Trilateral Commission and The Rochefellers along with many other popular far right conspiracy bookie men.

>We bulk sold this to what we called "John Birch Types" and :"Yahoos" Yahoos were right wing people from California and Texas that we met through the airport card table shines who could afford $400 on an EIR sub. This was far more of a money maker than a laid off steel worker.. Larouche at this time was secretly meeting with far right people from The Liberty Lobby like Willis Carto.

>The Dennis King book and this from Chip Berlet cover some of this.

https://politicalresearch.org/1989/03/10/fa...d-american-flag

>When I visited the NYC National Office around this time, I saw huge stacks of dot matrix printed lists of far-right lists like all of the subscribers to 'Spotlight" for example. We bought them pretty cheap and then divvied them up for the phone teams in the boiler rooms to call.

>So this 1975 era can be seen as part of the transformation where now we had The Jews as THE dope bosses and Larouche began to go crazy about how many Jews died in the Holocaust.

>Any time an ex LCer takes a long hard look at what he or she was doing back then and comparing it to what Larouche was doing and implying, there is a big divide. I can honestly look back at many of our publications over several years and say to myself "WTF was I thinking ? The ideals that I had kept me in for a while, but so much was taking place that I and others had zero clue about. Once LCers learned some of this , they began to leave . This was not a concern because we hid many of the members leaving from being known and if they were known, we just blamed it on Kissinger or DOPE Inc.

>I wish the cult would scan and show every issue of New Solidarity and the New Federalist over the decades. EIR had watered down versions of the lunacy that we were putting into the newspaper.

His real legacy is inspiring the lore of the Assassin’s Creed games

Hes based. Was ahead of everyone with his anti zionist thought. He saw through the Jewish Exceptionalism that that was peddled in the west for decades. Some called him an antisemite because of this but we know he was a revolutionary. He also fought against trealerite labour aristokkkrats in the west. Something that no one did till now.
I think its fair to say LaRouche was the one ember keeping the proper western left alive.

>>2906285
He literally did demonrat entryism no different than DSA

Caleb Maupin is a modern LaRouche, complete with a sex cult.

>>2906295
Gotta have sex to have a sex cult and I tell you Caleb aint getting that

>>2906286
And what is the only "relevant" socialist organization in the country?

>>2906298
None of them, if there was, it would already be in power

Bumping this rabbithole

you guys are just jealous that you dont have celebrities and activists like roger waters on speeddial like chairman maupin does.

>>2906195
I once read a book, The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire by by Robert Ingraham, a recommendation from an old Daily Kos post. Turned out it was in the LaRouche orbit, which I didn't figure out until a ways in. It portrayed history as a grand battle between the disciples of Plato (humanist commonwealth) vs. Aristotle (oligarchy). I learned the names of a whole bunch of historical figures and events that I didn't get elsewhere. Didn't hear about the School of Salamanca from no breadtuber or twitter lefty. Also maybe the most pop explanation I've seen of how capitalism went from the Venetian Republic (which the book said was actually an empire) -> the Dutch Republic -> Glorious Revolution -> America. I could post my notes if anyone's interested.

I can't remember if it was the book or the LaRouche site I skimmed once, but they wanted to do mega projects like NAWAPA which looks crazy and badass, like something you'd do if you take global warming seriously, although they just wanted to make America more agriculturally productive I think, not sure if they even believed in global warming or called it a Malthusian conspiracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power_Alliance

I think I remember LaRouche also didn't like Jazz, just like Frankfurt School. What does it mean…

Well everyone says LaRouche is some weird fashy cult that beat up lefty activists, I don't know much about that. I hear Maupin/APC called LaRouch-ites and I don't know what the connection is there, but I'm not only vaguely familiar with them. Do they think history is about Plato vs. Aristotle or what?

Psyop, pure shitcoating, his brainrot is a plauge upon modern “lefties” even managed to fool a member of the castros, one of the main reasons why your twitter tl is plauged by acpoids

>>2907400
what do you mean they fooled one of the castros?

Larouche is to the left of the average usapoler.

>>2907399
>not sure if they even believed in global warming or called it a Malthusian conspiracy.
Definitely the latter, also wanting to carbonmaxx because they think it's good for people and the planet.

>Well everyone says LaRouche is some weird fashy cult that beat up lefty activists, I don't know much about that.
It's a cult. I don't just say that to dismiss them, but descriptively, it's like the Sea Org in Scientology or some equivalent high-control group with members turned into thought control zombies. There was a period in the 70s where they got violent like that but they probably got beat up as much if not more than the other way around so LaRouche called it off. LaRouchies tend to come from a nerdy, middle-class sort of background and he recruited a lot of his cadre at grad schools, not the kind of people well suited to thug it out.

>Do they think history is about Plato vs. Aristotle or what?
More or less yeah.

>>2907465
Operation mop up was done by larouche, larouche's cult basically beated up random CPUSA members and many believe larouchr was cia

everything else aside, the funny thing about these sects is that, even if you agree with their ideas, it's always better to do your own thing than to join an already existing sect. you always want to be the cult leader, never the cult member. which also explains, among many other thing, why these movements fragment so quickly

btw, does the acp still exist?

>>2907505
The axp is a psyop, propt up by both the us and rivals like russia (and mabye china?) for their own gains, itsmall artifical and fake, itsmmeant to serve as a distraction, a strawmannfor libs to pokemand use to smear against actual socialists (or ”tankies”mas they like to say) and sway young inpresionble people that have just starting to dip their toes in radicalism

>>2907490
Yeah. Well they jumped random people but it didn't go well when they attacked meetings because they were bad at fighting. It went on for around two months, and part of LaRouche's goal seemed to be to harden the members of the group and make them more loyal to him. They targeted the CPUSA and also several Trotskyist groups and Black Power groups while forming alliance with weird Klansmen types.

>"Their Morals and Ours" revealed the tactical thinking behind Mop Up. It boasted that fifty NCLC members could "rout" three hundred CP members and that the CP would have to mobilize at least six times as many fighters to even become a "serious obstacle."

>This bravado strongly resembled the passage in Mein Kampf in which Hitler, describing an altercation between Nazis and leftists in a Munich meeting hall in 1921, crowed that "our enemies, who must have numbered seven and eight hundred men, [were] beaten out of the hall and chased down the stairs by my men numbering not even fifty."

>"Their Morals and Ours" also said that destroying the CP meant showing that it was "a 'paper tiger,' rightfully an object of pitying contempt in the eyes of the working person." This idea was further developed in another New Solidarity article: "All those mighty 'Communists' can do is hide behind the nightsticks of the local police, while publishing tear-jerking accounts of their own casualties."

>Again, there is a similar formulation in Mein Kampf: "Any meeting which is protected exclusively by the police discredits its organizers in the eyes of the broad masses. . . . [A] heroic movement will sooner win the heart of a people than a cowardly one which is kept alive only by police protection."

>Such parallels did not go entirely unnoticed within the NCLC. Christine Berl, one of LaRouche's top disciples (who quit the following year), recalls that she was assigned to prepare a report for a 1973 NCLC conference on how Hitler built up the Nazi Party. "It scared me," she says. "I began to see it was the very tactics Lyn was using." Berl says that she presented her doubts in the form of a puzzle: How do we distinguish ourselves from the Nazis? The audience was unable to give a clear answer.

>New York in 1973 was hardly comparable to Munich in 1931. There were no Freikorps veterans and ruined shopkeepers to flock to LaRouche's banner. And his street fighters were middle-class intellectuals, not desperate lumpen proletarians. Indeed the majority of them were not fighters at all. Most Mop Up attacks were carried out by just a few dozen persons. Even the most enthusiastic of these became nervous as the CP and SWP fought back, their defense squads often outnumbering the attackers. "I pissed blood for a month," recalls a female NCLC member who was injured while charging a Detroit SWP rally. The Chicago regional NCLC sent a memo to New York stating that it wasn't strong enough to "deal directly" with the CP. Would the leadership send "defense reinforcements"? Until such reinforcements arrived, the Chicago organization would keep most of its activities "low-key or underground," the memo said. By May, the NCLC leadership was finding it difficult to whip up enthusiasm for fresh attacks even in New York.

>It is widely believed among leftists that the police in some cities encouraged Mop Up. This suspicion is understandable in light of well-documented police harassment of left-wing groups in the late 1960s and early 1970s. But former LaRouchians who participated in Mop Up say they don't recall any police encouragement. At the time, the NCLC regarded the police as the enemy, acting in cahoots with the CP and the SWP to repress the true forces of Revolution. This view was vehemently expressed in the pages of New Solidarity as the police cracked down on Mop Up in city after city. Several NCLC members were arrested in Philadelphia, including a top LaRouche aide. More were arrested in Boston. In Buffalo felony indictments brought the local Mop Up to a grinding halt. In New York City two NCLC members were charged with second-degree assault and possession of a deadly instrument after they attacked black CP leader Ron Tyson. One of Tyson's attackers was rearrested a week later for assaulting an SWP member.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210212070431/https://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/fascism3.htm

An interesting thing BTW is that a former BPP lieutenant in the Baltimore chapter named Elijah "Zeke" Boyd who was hospitalized during Operation Mop-Up (in a clash with Black Liberation Army supporters, apparently) was suspected of being an informant in the BPP. He later married Barbara Boyd who was a long-time LaRouche higher-up who led one half of the split in the organization after LaRouche died. BTW they also nominated a KKK leader and FBI informant named Vernon Higgins to be their congressional candidate in a Michigan state house election in 1974:
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/04/archives/michigan-radical-party-lists-informer-on-ballot.html

>>2907399
>Also maybe the most pop explanation I've seen of how capitalism went from the Venetian Republic (which the book said was actually an empire) -> the Dutch Republic -> Glorious Revolution -> America
This is entirely correct. Also, Venice was an Empire, was this news for you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stato_da_M%C3%A0r

LaRouche was very good in sniffing out those old European salons and meeting places for elites, like that one society in Italy which is super secretive and is on an island (forget the name). It's pretty entertaining and interesting if you want to add some conspiratorial spicy flavor to your ideology but don't wanna become an antisemite.

>>2907520 (me)
Found it, the Cini Foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cini_Foundation

LaRouche was obsessed with that.

>>2907527
>>2907520
more

>>2907421
True
>>2906364
You don’t have to be in power to be relevant though the only relevant ones are psl DSA and some other org
>>2906286
True he was also a perennial canidate which is why anybody would know him
>>2906285
His “criticism of Jewish exceptionalism” wasnt unique in the west Stalin was doing that and he didnt critic treatlerites and was defiantly the first(Maoists during 60s did that first) and larouche was a wrecker

>>2907520
Actually my formation was wrong because the book emphasized that the Dutch Republic DID NOT lead to America because America broke free of Anglo-Dutch oligarchy to pursue a true democratic commonwealth until the neolibs took over.

Anyway to answer your question no I don't think about or know much about the Venetian city states. I recall Marx in Capital 1 said they did primitive accumulation by getting other Euros indebted to them, or something like that. I recall an article how they did proto-capitalism by merchants setting up sugar slave plantations on small islands in the Atlantic ocean (not the Caribbean yet). But I recall the big Marxist argument was that capitalism actually originated in the English countryside. There was a debate about that in the 70s if I recall right, about whether it started in the town or country, the book I skimmed argued it was the country and had to do with land rents and landords not being able to abuse extra-economic rents like other Euro countries, and because English agriculture was unusually productive and well connected with roads, so farmers felt compelled to increase their output or become landless which started the capitalist commodity circuit. Or something like that.

I'll share my notes in another post.

>>2907399
Here's my notes for The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire, regarding the grand historical battle between followers of Plato and Aristotle.

'''Good guys:"" Humanists defending the Commonwealth and Universal Principles and the Divine Spark of Humanity.

Commonwealth idea says that real wealth stems from the deliberate fostering of the creative capabilities of the individual human members of society, and the power of those individuals to develop new inventions and discoveries which can transform and truly enrich man’s relationship with the universe.

Plato

Nicholas of Cusa - first medieval humanist, argued for a Commonwealth and consent of the governed

Louis XI

Henry Tudor

William the Silent (assassinated by the Venetians)

Kepler

Erasmus, Thomas More, and John Colet

Jonathan Swift and his faction, including Robert Harley, Henry St. John (Bolingbroke), Matthew Prior, and the Duke of Ormond (James Butler, 2nd Duke of Ormonde).

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

Cotton Mather

James Logan

Alexander Hamilton

John Quincy Adams

Friedrich List

Henry Clay

Henry Charles Carey

Abraham Lincoln

William McKinley

FDR

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""Bad guys:"" The Empire, a private financial oligarchy, hates Plato and calls him an idealist, argues for private property rights, against sovereign states and prefers an aristocratic republic, and justifies the looting and slavery of the masses, viewing them as animals who should be culled from time to time, blaming them for their own poverty and backwardness.

"Man exists in an atomistic universe of material objects, and he defines himself by his possession of those objects."

The relegation of the vast majority of the human race to the category of “sub­human property” is at the heart of the Olympian oligarchical world­view.

Aristotle

Roman Law

Diocletian

Venetian Empire (falsely called a Republic)

Lombard League

1582 Giovani Revolution

Paolo Sarpi - The great villain, the big bad conspirator who pushed reductionist empiricist methodology. (I don't know much about him, but judging from his Wiki he seems fine I guess? But maybe that's what the imperial editors want you to think. Any Sarpi haters/respecters in the house?)

Cavendish family and their agents - Hobbes, Bacon, Wotton, and Petty

William of Ockham (I recall a reactionary tract that denounced him as a proto-commie because of his nominalism, so this guy is taking heat from all directions)

Galileo

Marin Mersenne and the Mersenne Circle

Descarte

Newton

After Kepler thrashed Aristotle, and the idea of the commonwealth spread, there was a "new empire" stage where they appropriated and bastardized the ideas of the commonwealth. Most notably in the School of Salamanca.

School of Salamanca - Argued for free market ideology, property rights, and just war. Admired by the Von Mises Institute (and Hayek?).

• Francisco de Vitoria - Founder.
  
  
• Domingo de Soto - One of the first to insist that usury is compatible with the medieval idea of “just price.”
  
  
• Fernando Vasquez de Menchaca - Predecessor to Locke.
  
  
• Martin de Azpilcueta Navarro (Navarrus) - Argued for Quantity Theory of Money, against government interference and price controls, for financial instruments, money changing, and speculation.
  
  
• Diego de Covarrubias y Leiva - Subjective theory of value, rejected absolute state sovereignity.
  
  
• Leonard de Leys (Lessius)
  
  
• Francisco Suarez ­ - His writings on International Law influenced John Locke, Hugo Grotius, Alberico Gentili, Johannes Althusius and Samuel Puffendorf.
  
  

*Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos* (book) - Probably written by Philippe de Mornay. Defends idea of the commonwealth only to subvert it. Man is bestial, it's okay to depose the king to protect private property. Not a defense against tyranny, but against sovereignty.

Hugo Grotius - Synthesizes past arguments into influential books on international law for the Dutch East India Company. Argues for just war (defense of property), free trade, slavery of defeated enemies. Says the best state is an aristocratic republic, like Sparta, Rome, and Venice.

Johannes Althusias

Alberico Gentili

Glorious Revolution of 1688 - Brought the Dutch and Venetian model to England

Terror visited upon Netherlands by Spain drove them insane. They embraced Calvinism and allied with Sarpi.

Council of Troubles, or Blood

Antwerp Bourse - Commodity exchange that popularized and innovated in financial speculation: future and options contracts, transferable bills of exchange, and speculative money market in short term paper.

Practices included futures, options, margin loans, financial leverage, speculation in foreign securities, and trading in outright derivatives (known as ductions).

Wisselbank - Bank of Amsterdam, history's first central bank, their most important innovation, the foundation for modern banking systems. Financial oligarchs take power away from the sovereign. Control both the commoners and the government with debt and usury.

Oldenbarnevelt - Founder of the Dutch East India Company, and it was under his leadership that the Venetian system was recreated in Amsterdam.

Johan DeWitt - Liberal historians falsely call the Dutch empire under his rule a precursor to the United States. They are either naive or stupid.

Anthony Ashley Cooper (the 1st Earl of Shaftesbury) - Leading conspirator of the Glorious Revolution of 1688 (the Dutch invasion of England). Founder of the Whig Party and patron of John Locke.

The Gold Standard - A regime of British domination.

Central bank system - Mostly established around the world in 1876 to 1931. Also the EU's European Central Bank in 1998.

Adam Smith

Bentham

Malthus

John Stuart Mill

Austrian School

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The book didn't say much about Marx or socialism. He criticized Marx as being too mechanistic, and said there wasn't anything called capitalism anyway, but rather a competition between the heirs of the Dutch-Anglo Empire and the American System. I went to their website and they seemed like socdems who want lots of mega infrastructure projects.

Its kinda weird but since larouche died his movement has gone even more schizo or became MAGA

Its really funny since they believe the Iran war is actually good because instead of a land occuption force destroying the country, its a "stragetic" battle between the american system and iran, thats good or somethimg

>>2907730
>larouchites have become magatards
Is this real keeek no way I thought nothing changed for the larouchites since like the 2000s

>>2907731
Larouches have split into Xi simps and trump simps
>Although alot could be said about the similarities between LPAC and TLO/SI such as both claiming to represent the mission of the late Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., support for authoritarian leaders, opposition to climate change, etc. There are emerging differences and I wanted to list them. Here's my top ten feel free to add. Man114, can you pin?
>LPAC
-Promotes Trump as the new Larouche
-Largely focused on domestic politics
-Appeals to baser instincts as a recruitment strategy (hate, anger)
-Narrowly focused on recruiting one constituency: Trump's base (MAGA Republicans)
-Largely concentrated on the West Coast U.S. A.
-Cult of personality (Trump) is not their organization's leader
-Has a narrow domestic agenda: 2nd Trump term, Trump dominated GOP, Republicans in control of Congress
-Ashamed of LaRouche's socialist/Democratic Party past
-Outlet for Pro-Trump right-wing propaganda
-promotes "America First" LaRouchism as a national program

>TLO/SI
-Promotes Xi as the new LaRouche
-Largely focused on international politics
-Appeals to softer emotions as a recruitment strategy (sympathy, compassion, fear)
-Open to recruiting from any constituency or political party
-Largely concentrated on the East Coast in America
-Cult of personality is their organization's leader (Helga)
-Has a broad international agenda (global economic development)
-Embraces LaRouche's past
-Outlet for pro-Xi, pro-Putin propaganda
-promotes Neo-Eurasianism as a global program

>>2908019
IVE heard of the SI I feel like LPAC is more faithful to larouche(since larouche wouldve probably done tgis) while SI is more closely aligned with ACP but with bigger deviations from Marxism
I have heard that Caleb maupin is the modern larouche which I actually agree with because they’re both weird in their views larp as labor Union bros and even down to the sex cults

>>2908065
Caleb isnt a fascist that beats CPUSA members doe

Larouche bump

>>2908019
I was looking at some MAGA infighting on X the other day (just randoms MAGA people) in the context of the Texas Senate race and this one Trump die-hard who supported the war with Iran was posting Promethean Action stuff, which is the rebranded LPAC. Wild. Apparently they think by Trump attacking Iran that he's eliminating British control over the Strait of Hormuz. BTW the weird left-coded LaRouche stuff tends to neglect how violently fascist and freakish they were in the 1980s, especially if you go back and read their literature from those days. They were ardent Cold Warriors and militarists dreaming up plans on how to maximize the death toll in a nuclear attack on the USSR but that was also combined with the international global development stuff.