Everything just feels like that it's in a standstill and nobody understands each other and we're all speaking different languages. What's the one thing that would solve every misunderstanding and everything?
The end of individual consciousness, literally melding our minds and bodies together like End of Evangelion
>>2908236>What's the one thing that would solve every misunderstanding and everything?China.
The end of consumer capitalism is also the end of hyper-individualism. And consumer capitalism is ending.
>>2908258>>2908461I would like to keep my individuality, thank you very much. I have a life and the people are stupid.
>>2908461What is capitalism without consumption, do commodities disappear?
>nobody understands each other and we're all speaking different languages.
You mean like forever?
>What's the one thing that would solve every misunderstanding
Maybe consider there are disagreements not down to misunderstandings. It's possible to have competing wants.
>>2908503>What is capitalism without consumption, do commodities disappear?You're doing it again. You're speaking languages and they're speaking languages and no one gets anywhere.
>>2908504>Maybe consider there are disagreements not down to misunderstandings. It's possible to have competing wants.That would require a platform in common and some kind of implement to prevent gish-galloping. Actual debate and progress.
>>2908505>>2908503Well I apologise, I thought “consumer capitalism” was a widely understood term.
>>2908505I know it's about manipulating people into consuming products, the offer creates the demand type of deal, but so what, we go back to "proper" capitalism of yesteryear ? What would cause mass media to stop doing that ?
>>2908524The difference is market growth revolves around want rather than need, it started with Henry Ford figuring out that if his employees had a couple of spare dollars in their pockets then they’d be customers for his cars also, but it ends with Ford offshoring their means of production and telling the labour surplus at home to finance a car they can’t afford.
It’s dubbed “rentier capitalism” as everything people want and need to consume is financed, but sure enough it’s correctly identified as being stupid to finance shit you don’t need and thus people are increasingly back to paying rent for needs and we’re back to the capitalism of yesteryear.
>>2908236>What's the one thing that would solve every misunderstanding and everything?communism
There's no misunderstanding. There's a bourgeoisie and there's a proletariat. The one lives of the labor of the other. The only misunderstanding is your own on what is to be done.
>>2908529>The difference is market growth revolves around want rather than need, it started with Henry Ford figuring out that if his employees had a couple of spare dollars in their pockets then they’d be customers for his cars also, but it ends with Ford offshoring their means of production and telling the labour surplus at home to finance a car they can’t afford.I think free will is more fundamental than "need" but you're all hardcore materialists. I heard of Henry Ford before but in the Dodge v. Ford Motor Co. case which sucks. The case established the principle that a corporation is primarily operated for the profit of its shareholders which is booooj AF.
>>2908540>communismIt's got it's own language and sectarianism so it just adds to the pile.
>>2908549>There's no misunderstanding. There's a bourgeoisie and there's a proletariat. The one lives of the labor of the other. The only misunderstanding is your own on what is to be done.I don't really want your labor worship religion… It doesn't even function anyway so the booj are a necessary evil until you guys solve that problem. I want free healthcare and free resources so I can work comfortably. Anything that prevents that is reactionary.
>>2908578>I think free will is more fundamental than "need"It’s not, if you’re starving to death then the need to acquire food rather overrides free will.
>>2908578Free Will literally doesn’t exist, everything is overdetermined by larger processes
>>2908580>>2908581>It’s not, if you’re starving to death then the need to acquire food rather overrides free will.Anima = Soul
You don't understand animals. It pressures your free will to acquire food, but you never directly deal with the need itself. Only with how it makes you feel. There's no override of choice because you can always choose laziness over your own life.
>Free Will literally doesn’t exist, everything is overdetermined by larger processesThese processes aren't available for you to perceive, so you do possess free will.
>>2908588Communism if it really is the nature of humanity, can only be realized out of love and not violence. The latter needs the separation and the barrier between who can use it and who cannot.
>>2908594>Humanity has no set nature other than to try and live a good life.So, happiness? Humans are primates so they do have set natures.
>But life need not be good or long, you will still live.Indeed, but euthanasia is still a legit debate.
>Cooperation is a necessity of life; however, it is not necessary to live. Communism is a goal, not a preordained social structure that has to be, its is something we want to be. And it is with this, that humanity can spite its damnable prison of existence and minimise the suffering inflicted upon us by a cruel and uncaring god. And, with time, we can even supplant god and create a world of our own design and nature!
>Communism is a goal, not a preordained social structure that has to be, its is something we want to be.Maybe it's not really communism but something that it's a signifier for that everyone understands once they get it?
>And, with time, we can even supplant god and create a world of our own design and nature!You can try to minimize suffering, no one will disagree with you on that but creating and designing existence is going to lead to some cosmic bullshit so leave that one alone.
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>Yeah.. but you know you die if you do not eat.. so you have this idea your directly deal with.
Yes, but that's within choice but it's overwhelmingly in the favor of eating so it's predictable. Predictability doesn't always mean predetermination.
I think Marx' work is incomplete. You need a new prophet.
>>2908578>It's got it's own language and sectarianism so it just adds to the pile.I was talking about communism the mode of production, not communism the ideology
>>2908602>I was talking about communism the mode of production, not communism the ideologyElaborate please…
>>2908604Most major contradictions will be resolved under communism. Communism the ideology, which seeks to establish this mode of production, still operates under a capitalist world system and is thus not free of these contradictions
>What's the one thing that would solve every misunderstanding and everything?
either we are all fucking or we are all fighting, there is no third option
>>2908634>either we are all fucking or we are all fighting, there is no third optionI love this answer!
What do you think the end of scarcity is going to do to gender ratios?
The thread got saged so I guess we'll never have peace
lots of psychedelics
>>2908794Damn, looks like I'm not the only one visiting the pleroma.
They even deleted the OP's picrel, this thread is just getting bombarded with reports. Savanna did nothing wrong here. If all your talk is just jargon, you can do a little something to bring the conversation back to Hormuz.
>>2908461Socialism will rescue consumerism from capitalism.
Savanna did nothing wrong, why did they delete the OP picrel? Why do people attack women out of envy and hatred like that?
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