*destroys the need for theory in your path*
No seriously. Why do we even need to “read theory” or engage in long endless debates about philosophy when Kropotkin showed us that human beings have a natural inclination towards empathy and solidarity with all others? Hunter-gatherer societies cared for each other without needing any abstract moral principles or “theories” on how to achieve an egalitarian society, they simply lived it because it was in their nature.
>>2911646And yet inequalities are higher than ever and society became a gigantic crab bucket. So surely there is more to human behavior than "being nice is in our genes". But i'm afraid that to answer this question, you'll have to theorize a bit.
>>2911646>Hunter-gatherer societies cared for each other While these hunter-gatherer societies are still considered relitively egalitarian we also know that these tribes practiced extreme violence against outgroup members. You were 6 to 10 times more likely to get murdered in pre-neolithic Europe than now.
>>2911649Source: some white eugenicist
>>2911647Because the system is set up to make us act in anti-empathetic ways.
>>2911651How and why does it does that?
>>2911654Capitalist competition
Name one successful revolutionary movement built around "mutual aid"
I'll wait.
>why do we read theory?
<explains some guy's theory
Immediate contradiction.
>>2911657How does that works and how can we prevent it?
>>2911650Here is the source.
Turchin, P. (2016), Ultrasociety: How 10,000 Years of War Made Humans the Greatest Cooperators on Earth, Beresta Books,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turchin >>2911646Most retarded take I've ever seen on leftypol aside from the "wheat is colonialism" bullshit.
>>2911646>just feed the homeless dudeso charity? you are doing charity
>>2911646>to achieve an egalitarian societyMarxists are not interested in egalitarianism.
>they simply lived it because it was in their natureHuman nature is completely fine with inhabiting slave-owning, capitalist, feudal, or socialist societies. Arguing from human nature is completely idiotic.
>>2911646then why did this fool need to write a book about it? shouldn’t people have realized on their own if that were so? =/
>>2911646If you reject reading theory,history, non-fiction, etc you'll just end up shilling a shitty and waterdowned version of some shit that was alr written in a book hundreds of years ago that you got exposed too through some newer form of media like a youtube video or twitter post. I have personally watched this happen to every single person I have ever met who doesn't read. They just end up being less informed, more arrogant and unknowingly participating in a centuries long game of telephone. Kropotkin makes plenty of good points on how different societies have shown that mutual aid is actually fairly common and that state societies are hardly the only societies but taking it as a given that anarcho-communism will just develop spontaneously out of nowhere cuz of muh human nature is just ahistorical.
>>2911649Serious work has shown that the idea of a savage hunter gatherer is false. They were not as violent as they are made to be
>>2911923Kropotkin wrote that book because he saw the need to prove that humans are capable of cooperation. It doesn’t mean an anarcho communist society will spontaneously be created
>>2911939I'm aware, I should clarify I was talking about this statement from OP:
> they simply lived it because it was in their nature.Which struck me as dangerously close to the muh huemon nature shit you see come from capitalism apologists
>>2911942Yeah but saying "actually we have no fucking clue how they lived, and it's not like they necessarily all lived the same anyway" kill the ones that want to find out about the truthness of what is the nature of human society (it's also a very boring non-answer)
>>2911937This idea is outdated and archeological evidence supports extreme violence instead. And by this I mean torture and mutilation of people outside of your tribe. The "noble savage" concept popularized by Jacques Rousseau is a myth.
>>2911972<Jebel Sahaba, Sudan (c. 13,000 BCE): Often cited as the oldest known evidence of large-scale, systematic inter-group violence. In this Late Pleistocene hunter-gatherer cemetery of 61 individuals (including women and children), nearly half died from violent trauma. A 2021 re-analysis confirmed extensive overkill: skeletons contained dozens of embedded stone arrowheads and spears, unhealed parry fractures, and cut marks indicating close-quarter executions and throat-slitting of defenseless individuals.Source (Scientific Reports):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89386-y
<Cave, United Kingdom (c. 12,700 BCE): This Upper Paleolithic site provides definitive evidence of extreme mutilation and cannibalism among early European hunter-gatherers. Anthropological analysis shows human bones were butchered using the exact same techniques used on animal prey. Skulls were meticulously defleshed, scraped, and systematically shaped into ritualistic drinking cups (skull cups), while bones were cracked open for marrow extraction.Source (PLOS One):
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0017026
<Nataruk, Kenya (c. 10,000 BCE): The unburied remains of 27 Paleolithic nomadic foragers were discovered by a dry lagoon. The skeletons show extreme, lethal violence: crushed skulls, smashed knees, and obsidian arrowheads embedded in bones. Several victims, including a pregnant woman, were found with their hands and feet bound. The site is definitive evidence of a targeted massacre, torture, and execution long before the advent of agriculture or property ownership.Source (Nature):
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16477
<Lapa do Santo, Brazil (c. 7,500 BCE): To demonstrate this was a global human phenomenon, this site holds the oldest evidence of decapitation and post-mortem mutilation in the Americas. The skull of a hunter-gatherer was found with severed hands deliberately amputated and placed over the face in a calculated display. Cut marks on the neck vertebrae and jaw prove the head was forcibly detached and defleshed using stone tools.Source (PLOS One):
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0137456
<Ofnet Cave, Germany (c. 6,500 BCE): Two Mesolithic pits contained 33 severed skulls, primarily belonging to women and children. The skulls display unhealed blunt-force trauma, mostly to the back and sides of the head, consistent with a surprise massacre of a sleeping camp. Cut marks on the neck vertebrae indicate the victims were decapitated while soft tissue was still present, and the skulls were taken and arranged in "nests" as trophies.Source (ResearchGate / Frayer 1997):
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/246991109_Ofnet_Evidence_for_a_Mesolithic_Massacre >>2911956I’m referring to more contemporaneous work by a professor at university of Chicago IIRC. Pinker is the fraud Harvard University who wants to portray past humans as savages
>>2911658the Angolan revolution
>>2911646Empathy is a Christian invention. Hunter-gatherer societies weren't Christian, until the age of discovery of course. You're right that tribal societies don't have abstract moral principles, but you're forgetting Dunbar's number, which is why tribal social relations don't scale well and turns into the anonymous crowd.
>>2911981I have a feeling they aren't going to reply lol
>>2911650Fucking idiot. Grow a philosophical spine you loser
>>2911981“Kropotkin, forgive them, for they do not know about true human nature!”
>>2912210>Empathy is a Christian invention.mammalians evolved from Jesus
>>2911981Those are just examples of the good guys punishing the bad guys. It was justice, cruel justice, but justice. Just proves that human nature is good, although how that goodness expresses itself changes due to historic conditions.
Sometimes I think anarcho-communists are people with a good heart but too dumb to open a book and become marxists
>>2912281Good hearts?
Make a politically incorrect comment and they will want you dead.
>>2912261*were created by
ftfy
>>2911649This. It's why "real" stateless communism is impossible, because people just don't fucking give a shit, truly, about people outside their social group. That kind of co-operation has to be structurally enforced.
>>2912281If you opened a history book you would learn that the anarchist projects are the ones that have come closer to communism and in some cases achieved decommodification like in Spain 36.
>>2912337>decommodificationIs that like a "Hitler decommodified West Russia" joke ?
>>2912337>open up ancient history book on egypt>no anarchism to be found>no mention of Spain 36>didnt even know what communism wasinteresting
What makes appeals to anthropology any different in essence than appeals to historicism?
>>2912841That anthropology is more scientific
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