I don't really know what else to call my views. I'm a socialist in a third world country and I've been on this path for quite a long time. Since I was young, more than anything I've always wanted my nation to have a decent standard of living, so that ordinary people don't have to live in conditions worse than dogs, as far too many of them do today.
I've done some aid work, spent roughly a third of my life involved in socialist groups and I'm still active today. I do believe I've done some good but obviously nowhere near enough.
But there are also things I've come to accept. One of them is that I don't think Marxism is a realistic solution in itself. Anyone who claims that Marxism will inevitably become reality is deluding themselves, perhaps even more so than the Islamists. That doesn't mean I think Marxist thought is useless. Quite the opposite, Marxist-Leninist economics, sociology, history and political writings contain an enormous amount of material that is still incredibly valuable. I see them as necessary resources.
At this point, I have come to believe that the thing that matters most for third world societies is authoritarian developmentalism, regardless of ideology. It could be nationalist, Fascist, communist, ethnic, religious, monarchist or something else entirely. What matters to me is whether a centralized state can actually be formed that has the capacity to force through development, to industrialize, build infrastructure, improve education and healthcare, create jobs and ultimately pull people out of the slums and the conditions they are forced to live in today.
I don't particularly care what ideological label such a government carries if it can actually accomplish that. I increasingly see this as the only realistic path for most third world societies. Liberal democracy in my view is the worst option when it simply reproduces stagnation, poverty and political paralysis. And liberal socialist democracy just as bad when it offers neither meaningful socialism nor meaningful development, also leaving people trapped in the same misery and stagnation.
>>2911988ok but historically the only country able to do that in the 21st century has been china which follows a marxist line.
Plus Marxism isnt about solutions its a theory and epistemic worldview not a conclusion.
Anyway try reading capital volumes 1-3 deeply and understand the theory before you prematurely judge marxism
>>2912046And the Dominican Republic under Trujillo, even a shit hole country under an egotistical drunk dictator who tried to make himself a literal king, the vast majority of my country’s projects that still exist to this day were done under him in the fucking 1950s and 60s.
>>2912060if you extend to the 20th and 19th centuries there are alot more examples but if you take post cold war theres no way atlanticist imperial finance capital will allow global south countries to do that without a coup, esp. in latin america.
Who are you willing to see get decimated in the name of developmentalism if it doesn’t end up being the national bourgeoisie? Migrants? Some religious or ethnic group? Sexual minorities? Communists themselves if they oppose the regime? Development may be progress but it always comes at someone’s expense
>>2912130That's why it has to be destroyed and the support has to come from anywhere, whether from Fascists, Russian,or Iranian imperialists. If Western leftists can offer aid that would be appreciated, but most probably won't.
>>2912135I'm aware of what will come, I am not a western leftist. A few ethnic groups will be forcefully assimilated, including those related to my mother's family and that will be worth it.
>>2911988Welcome back Deng Xiaoping!
>>2912290Would any person want their country to resemble modern India more than modern China? You freaks would rather the third world live in absolute misery and filth than have us be "revisionists" or whatever shit you call us.
you are a nationalist not a socialist, just sayin, good luck
>>2934854I am a socialist and I love my nation, and I do not want my people to live in filth and misery. I do not want other people to live in filth and misery either, but for me, my nation comes first.
>>2934851No one's saying China's bad, they're saying that this doesn't have much to do with socialism if you don't actually care about workers' self-determination and your primary concern are development projects from a body that doesn't have to worry about multiparty elections. You say it in your post
>the thing that matters most for third world societies is authoritarian developmentalism, regardless of ideology >>2934851>>2934880Welcome back Adolf Hitler!
Idk, but
communism: at first, you get paid low wage, but you know you build something common or your property.. In USSR the lecturers with students built by themselves, the campus buildings, etc.
capitalism: low wages all the time, but also you just make profit for someone, Who will agree to that?
>>2911988I hate that pragmatism is associated with cynicism. Paradoxically, I'd say the "revisionists" and pragmatists are actually the real true believers in socialism. What have the Maoists, Trotskyites, "Anti-Revisionists", LeftComs and other ideologues done for anybody? All I've seen from them is an endless parade of grifters. It's amazing how leftoids will denounce the USSR and China as Not Real Socialism that deserves to be overthrown yet see utterly reactionary movements like the Free Syrian Army and Hong Kong rioters as being the Real Revolutionaries. If all True Socialism has to offer is struggle sessions and hollow slogans, then "socialism" is a spent force.
>>2934992Fascism is when you do things in the real world. Real Socialism is when you shitpost on the Internet and simp for CIA regime change operations.
>>2934851>You freaks would rather the third world live in absolute misery and filth than have us be "revisionists" or whatever shit you call us.How do you keep the virtuous poor virtuous? You keep them poor.
>>2936194>I hate that pragmatism is associated with cynicism.Based.
>Paradoxically, I'd say the "revisionists" and pragmatists are actually the real true believers in socialism.ULTRA BASED.
>What have the Maoists, Trotskyites, "Anti-Revisionists", LeftComs and other ideologues done for anybody?Nothing except shill for color revolutions against anti-western countries.
>It's amazing how leftoids will denounce the USSR and China as Not Real Socialism that deserves to be overthrown yet see utterly reactionary movements like the Free Syrian Army and Hong Kong rioters as being the Real Revolutionaries.I know. Bordigafags are a cancer.
>If all True Socialism has to offer is struggle sessions and hollow slogans, then "socialism" is a spent force.Leftcomism is truly an infantile disorder.
>Fascism is when you do things in the real world. Real Socialism is when you shitpost on the Internet and simp for CIA regime change operations.You read my mind leftychud.
>How do you keep the virtuous poor virtuous? You keep them poor.This is how leftcoms and bordigafags actually think.
I feel so vindicated. Thank you deer leftychud. I said the same thing earlier and was accused of being a social democrat, a dengist (which I embraced now), anti-marxist, a fake and so on.