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On September 18, the Cyberspace Administration of China issued the "Notice on Strengthening the Management of Infringing Information Concerning Enterprises and Continuously Optimizing the Online Business Environment". Here's the most imporant part in the notice (most notably 2, 4 and 5):

[…] Website platforms must proactively identify and address the following types of infringing content:

Personal information: Includes the disclosure of personal identity and contact details, such as ID cards, passports, household registration records, home addresses, and phone numbers, as well as sensitive personal data like biometric information, medical and health records, financial account details, and location tracking data.

Insults and derogatory content: Includes verbal abuse or insults directed at enterprises and entrepreneurs; the malicious parodying or caricaturing of corporate logos, products, or entrepreneurs' likenesses; maliciously linking enterprises or entrepreneurs to pornographic or vulgar topics; and using stigmatizing language to disparage enterprises, entrepreneurs, or specific brand users.

Impersonation and counterfeiting: Includes impersonating news organizations to produce or publish information regarding corporate oversight; publishing information under the guise of an enterprise or entrepreneur; and the unauthorized use of names, logos, or entrepreneurs' names and likenesses, identical or similar to those of the actual enterprise, in the names, avatars, or profiles of public accounts.

False and misleading information: Includes taking entrepreneurs' past statements out of context or distorting their meaning; displaying search keyword suggestions or landing page results that contradict the facts; republishing false information that has already been authoritatively refuted or clarified; and disseminating information that conflicts with public statements issued by the enterprise or entrepreneur via their official accounts on major platforms.

Other categories: Includes content designed to incite conflict by pitting enterprises against one another; the aggregation and resurfacing of old news or negative information about enterprises; infringing content that the platform has previously addressed; comments regarding enterprises posted by bot accounts or paid astroturfing accounts; and information that smears or disparages enterprises and entrepreneurs in a manner that clearly violates public order and good morals.


source: https://www.cac.gov.cn/2026-09/18/c_1791396347229199.htm

What do the china stans have to say about this
82 posts and 11 image replies omitted.

>>2919062
Extremely embarrassing to be grouped together with leftcom retards. Will Hoxhaists ever recover?

>>2918475
Theres a difference between criticizing a capitalist corporation and a socialist one

>>2918475
Chinese citizens are free to take whatever valid complaints they have to their local Party representative

>>2919065
>Will Hoxhaists ever recover?
What Hoxhaists?

>>2918799
>Deng Xiaoping actually picked up a gun and fought fascists.
<so did tito and chiang kai shek for that matter
>He actually dedicated his life to Marxism.
<see the first response
>he cultural revolution was literally a bunch of unforced error including dumb teenagers lynching veteran communists.
<so? they were already doing market reform bullshit under mao and it was also wrong and retarded
>Deng Xiaoping was right to do reform and opening up.
<"trading with israel, sending guns to jihadists in afghanistan, actively fighting communists internationally and spreading your asshole wide for IBM, apple and american toy companies while implementing austerity is actually the most communism thing you can do bro"
>It made China stronger than the imperialists
<they can't do anything with that power as they're some of the biggest beneficiaries of the global financial system
>without WW3.
<you sound like a pussy
>you can appeal to the writings of Marx and Lenin all you want to say he is a revisionist and a traitor, but the part you are missing is the real material developments of the 20th century, like nuclear weapons.
<PUSSY (also hasn't stopped other powers from using nukes on the third world)
>To build an actual society based on the principle of "from each, to each" you need superior productive forces to the capitalists.
<yet they're not doing that despite having superior productive forces for more than a decade instead they're just creating a large middle class that's getting into real estate speculation all while practicing a foreign policy that involves selling guns and drones to everyone with cash (including israel, ukraine and saudi arabia)
>that meant baiting their hunger for profit, absorbing their manufacturing capacity, and making them weak.
<implying outsourcing makes corporate control weak
>It took decades, but it paid off
<yeah the chinese middle class is living the american dream thats socialism right? right???????
>and cost far fewer lives than some asymmetrical war against much greater nuclear armed imperialist powers.
<"OHHH NOOES NOT THE HECKIN WAR WE NEED TO DO CAPITALIST REFORMS BECAUSE OF THE HECKIN WORLD WAR THREEARINO YOU HAVE TO RIDE CORPORATE COCK FOREVER OR ELSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WORLD WAR 3"
>Unlike Gorbachev he did not destroy the party or dissolve the PRC
<he literally placed liberals into high positions in the government who almost overthrew the cpc and shit got so bad they required the military to step in
>Given a chance to take power you would either die or reinvent the same solutions after realizing the contradictions.
<just post the contrapoints picture uygha you're making the same argument in regards to socialists that don't wanna work with the DNC

Uhhhhhhh sweetie China is a Marxist country, this is all part of Deng's keikaku, just keep working 16 hours a day and socialism will be achieved in two weeks

>>2919162
>trading with israel, sending guns to jihadists in afghanistan, actively fighting communists internationally and spreading your asshole wide for IBM, apple and american toy companies while implementing austerity is actually the most communism thing you can do bro"
those things started under mao as you yourself admitted and have nothing to do with reform and opening up. your brain is leaking out of your ears

>>2919180
gigachad said this to me

>>2919180
get in the trench, put on the budenovka, and die for a better world if china upsets you so much

>>2919183
yeah and mao was retarded in this regard and his retardation doesn't immediately absolve deng of being retarded

>>2919162
>>2919186
You are retarded. 99% of the guns sent to Afghanistan were American made. China was dirt poor in the 1980s and had to get their own guns from America. They weren't world superpower arms supplier of the time, retard.

"Trading with Israel"? Do you think that makes the slightest difference in the world? Who do you think supplies Israel with everything it needs? The US. Israel has a superpower backing it. If China trades with someone else they can then trade what they get with Israel. That is how trade works. The superpower behind the creation of Israel is the US (and before that Great Britain: it started as a British and Anglo project).

China doesn't fight communists internationally. China is not imperialist. Its the US that goes around invading socialist countries like Vietnam and destroying them. Its the US that kidnapped Maduro and blockades Cuba. Basically you are trying to make China look bad by blaming it for the crimes of the US.

"Spreading your asshole wide"? Are you 5?

>>2919189
>China doesn't fight communists internationally.
>Its the US that goes around invading socialist countries like Vietnam and destroying them.
Yeah, that was a great move on Deng's part to invade Việt Nam right after the Americans left, and fail miserably at that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
You should go to Việt Nam and tell them the Chinese did nothing wrong and only have the interests of the international communist movement in mind. You would get your ass kicked in 30 seconds.

>>2919162
I agree with almost everything you said, but I just hope one day /leftypol/ will realize most Chinese don't see themselves as forerunners of the international communist movement, but as part of a great 5000 years old civilization that was superior than the West and other civilizations at many points in history, and their "winning at capitalism while remaining nominally communist" stage is just one stage in a series of many other historical stages their civilization had.
The policy discussed in this thread make more sense in this context: it's not about the well-being of Porky, it's about not smearing the Chinese as a whole online and not losing face, a very important concept in Asian cultures.

>>2919197
>Yeah, that was a great move on Deng's part to invade Việt Nam right after the Americans left, and fail miserably at that.
A minor skirmish that lasted a couple of weeks.
>You should go to Việt Nam and tell them the Chinese did nothing wrong and only have the interests of the international communist movement in mind. You would get your ass kicked in 30 seconds.
They wouldn't give a fuck even if they even knew about this ancient scuffle. Grow up.

>>2919201
>They wouldn't give a fuck even if they even knew about this ancient scuffle. Grow up.
If a Chinese person goes to Vietnam and gives away the fact that they are Chinese, they always pay more, the shop owners always give them the highest price. They might even get beaten up in the Vietnamese countryside. They are seen as imperialists there. For a lot of Vietnamese people, China has tried to conquer them for more than a thousand of years, and the Deng-leaded invasion was just one instance of that. They hate Chinese people more than they hate Americans (because they take pride of the fact that an army of peasants managed to defeat the most powerful army in the world).
You are either ignorant of Asian dynamics and naively think "everyone who is communist gets along", or you have an agenda in mind. In any case, you downplay a real phenomenon.

>>2919067
Doesn't matter
>>2919073
They have no way to make them actually do anything. And they're also outing themselves as a potential threat that the state might decide to eliminate.

>>2919215
Funny to point how Vietnamese revisionism foments ethnonationalism as a point against China.

I think it's possible to say China does some questionable stuff in the name of pragmatism and international relations while also recognising it is a country ran by an actual communist party and that both Deng/Mao did stupid stuff while still being devoted communists.
USSR also did tons of really baffling stuff like supporting the creation of Israel because they thought it would become communist (lol) and that's ok. You don't have to call them fascists or traitors for being short sighted or incompetent in some areas.

>>2919228
>supporting the creation of Israel because they thought it would become communist
hindsight is always 20/20 but the whole kibboutz stuff was inspired by socialists principles so Soviets could reasonably believe it at the time.

>>2919231
Gotta watch out for Strasserite shit like that. Someone who believes in "socialism but only for my in-group" inevitably prioritises that in-group over socialism. There's no "in" to try to coax them into being egalitarian down the line, you have to stamp out the tribalism first.

>>2919228
China is basically following the path of the mid century european social democrats, where they were able to keep capital and labor happy as long as they had large economic growth. But, as soon as the growth slowed, labor and capital both pushed for a larger share and the socdems folded to capital. The CPC claims they will behave differently when that time comes. We will see.

>>2919248
No, we will not see. Mfs always go on about how socdems pacify the working class away from revolutionary ideals and then ignore the biggest example, China.

>>2919243
Strasser did not believe in anything like a Kibbutz.

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>>2919049
You will never be a socialist.

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I don't understand why people like OP try to convince zio-dengists that China is a capitalist shithole when the only unpaid China shills remaining in the big 26 are pro-genocide.

Contemporary dengists are not humans, the only antidote is lead to the skull.

Och ja, ze SDP chairman of his excelency Kaizar Wilhelm hat graciously issued zat ze anti-socialishe agitors zat want zu disparage unsere fine volken-trepeneurens vil be prosecuted under ze full extent of ze law! Dumkopf Amerikaner-"komunisters" vil whine once again about how zis supposedly shows zat ze German Reich is not socialistich not understanding zat ze class collaboration is ze pillar for developing ze industrial base for ze building of socialism. Ve must once again thank glorious wisdom of Herr Bismarck for showing us ze true path towards Deutchesocializmus!

>>2918979
Don't be a disingenuous faggot if it was just that nobody would be complaining.

>>2919293
Do you swear loyalty to Bordiga leftychud?

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>>2919300
>imperial germany was a DoTP
Ngmi leftychud

>>2919313
I think its more accurate to say that East Francia and the early HRE had a socialist MoP.

>>2919333
>>2919313
you're both wrong the first french empire was socialist and the second french empire was communist

chinese porky are more revolutionary than the western proletariat

>>2919338
Dengists post shit like this and expect me to take them seriously lmao

>>2919260
I guess we'll see

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>>2919298
>zio dengists
bro is just making up new buzzwords now. the zionist regime gets 2/3rds of its weapons trade from the USA, and the other 1/3rd come from Germany and Italy. And that's trade. Not even getting into the FREE weapons, intelligence and support Israel gets from the USA. China meanwhile does what? Trades normal consumer goods with Israel like every other country, including whatever country you're from. Nobody cares about your China slander as long as the USA exists. China isn't just a "lesser" evil compared to the USA, it's literally microscopic.

Any attempt to pin what the USA does on China is something weirdos like you come in and coin terms like "Zio Dengism" for.

<If private property, money, abstract value production, class society, and the state, are abolished prematurely, when the oppressive logic and power of capital still controls the entire world, China would become vulnerable to both external imperialist violence and internal reactionary sabotage (no doubt under the banner of “democracy”). The Communist Party would be immediately compromised by foreign backed elements; the country might be torn apart once again by civil war, and once again subjected to imperialist domination. The Chinese revolution, what so many millions fought, worked tirelessly, and sacrificed their lives for, will have been for nothing. Marxism is anything but rigid and dogmatic, and has always been about adapting to the ever changing objective conditions of each era, using what ever is available toward revolutionary goals. The opinion of those baizuo who think that China should have chosen the disastrous course of action described above, or at least remained underdeveloped, poor, and weak, in order to satisfy their fundamentalist interpretation of Marxism, should not be indulged. These myopic and short-sighted “left com”, “ultra-left”, or modern “Maoist” types love to denounce modern China as a betrayal of socialism, without considering that it is the failure of the Western left to do successful revolutions in their countries which made it necessary for existing socialist states to adapt to the global conditions of entrenched neo-liberal capitalism. Those who think that 1.4 billion people, who for 200 years suffered so immensely under vicious colonial rule and brutal capitalist domination, will so quickly forget what their true enemy is, don’t know much about capitalism, colonialism, or people.

  • He Zhao, The Long Game and Its Contradictions, 27th October, 2018


<Taken together, these accounts tell a pretty compelling and straightforward story: a worker state led by a vanguard party has placed the productive forces developed by capitalism under human control once again, for the benefit of the many rather than the few, and so definitively begun the complex and difficult transition away from capitalism and into communism that we call socialism. Capitalists, sheltered and insular in their dealings with fellow human beings, don’t understand that they are not sympathetic characters, so they shamelessly self-victimize in the press in the hopes of winning sympathy from the masses, in a futile effort to rally the necessary fervor for military intervention. The situation looks grim for the forces of reaction … And then the Western Left bursts onto the scene with a litany of harsh recriminations, determined to build up China into a villain worthy of war: “China has billionaires.” “China still has inequality.” “China still has wage labor.” “There’s no free speech there.” “Suicide nets.” “Free Tibet.” “Xinjiang is East Turkestan.” “Liberate Hong Kong.” “Neither Washington Nor Beijing.” Their indulgence in atrocity propaganda is unparalleled, and they’ll often outdo original sources and even the most vicious reactionaries in their preening paraphrases of Chinese horror.

  • Roderic Day, China Has Billionaires, 5th of April, 2021


telling.

>>2919355
He's comparing Han presence in Xinjiang to Zionism. As if the Han haven't lived there since 60BCE and as if the Uyghurs didn't settle there in the aftermath of a literal Genocide of the Dzungars, ordered by the Manchus, of which they were the direct beneficiary.

>>2919293
i want american communists, actual communists, to drag me out of my house and shoot me for being a dengoid. that is the day i will die happy because i will know that there is finally a superior alternative to china, until then, you are 100% ruthless criticism and 0% real movement

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>>2919355
>just because we're their second largest trade partner, increased our net exports to them since 2023, send them critical raw material and dual use tech with joint R&D, fascinating the genoicde in every way second only to the US, doesn't mean…
Your maggot infested flayed skin will be hoisted as a flag for the revolution

>>2919358
wow that's even worse. xinjiang uyghur population literally grows every day. it is not being genocided, it in fact gets massive subsidies and affirmative action style policies. adrian zenz, a right wing evangelical zionist in the USA, literally came up with the uyghur genocide myth because he hates communism, and the CIA funded terrorists like ETIM in the region.

>>2919360
>Your maggot infested flayed skin will be hoisted as a flag for the revolution
see >>2919359
<i want american communists, actual communists, to drag me out of my house and shoot me for being a dengoid. that is the day i will die happy because i will know that there is finally a superior alternative to china, until then, you are 100% ruthless criticism and 0% real movement

literally do it. i want you to do it. do it. anything but more POASTING

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>>2919360
quick question, why does israel keep bitching about china arming hamas?

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I don't (You) ziotard attention whorez

I hope you get dismbowled alive

>>2919363
>NOOOO THEY'RE NOT BACKING BACKING ISRAEL HERE LOOK AT MY BLATANT NEOCON PROPAGANDA THATS TOTALLY TRUE AND TRUSTWORTHY BECAUSE IT FITS MY NARRATIVE

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>>2919363
Why don't you be a good dengoid and watch me get Xi's wife PROLE'd?

>>2919368
Well I guess the China published trade figures and tech projects with Israel are rendered obsolete now

The Axis China are the good guys because US propaganda said they're bad (while being their #1 trade partner)

>>2919370
neocon and zionist propaganda is in fact more trustworthy on the topic of china than the chinese themselves

>>2919346
ready trotsky

>>2918799
This is happens when dengists run out of aurgements. Instead of arguing the legitimacy of their policy they just claim that Deng was the biggest antifascist, just trust him and don't think about it or your anti communist.
>>2919049
<criticizing a capitalist country is the same as criticizing a socialist country
>lol
Why?

>>2917494
china is regulating speech that americans would call fraud, defamation, and libel. I sleep. Rude sage

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