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https://geesemag.com/articles/into-the-bunkerchan-an-examination-of-leftypol-and-its-place-in-the-modern-left-landscape

Into the Bunker(chan): An Examination of /leftypol/, and its Place in the Modern Left Landscape

<While the alt-right pipeline funneled young men into fascism, a smaller corner of the internet tried to do the opposite. JJ Christensen goes inside /leftypol/.


FULL TEXT:

When I was around 13 years old, I stumbled upon a Youtube video by the user ‘Bat’ko,’ an “anarchist shitposter” and prominent user of the website /leftypol/.

The year was 2018; it was a scary time for me. Two years ago, I had watched my mom cry as the presidential election results slowly rolled in. I had grown up in the Obama Era as a nerdy brown child in a majority-minority Californian city. I did not take it seriously. I did not know, nor did I have any way of knowing, what the long term effects of such a presidency would be. As far as I knew, he was a clown and he’d be gone in 4 years. The Democratic Party would protect us.

A year later, I watched Heather Heyer get brutally run over by a neo-Nazi on television. The Charlottesville Riot, or Unite the Right, was a wake-up call to many and I was no different. I was shaken to my core, and in a moment all the disappointments in liberalism and the failures of the ‘center-left’ Democratic Party I had known all my life bubbled over. Something in me broke fundamentally, and I had shifted from an optimistic nerdy child to an angry and pessimistic teenager.

This is not a unique story, and in fact at the time there were thousands upon thousands of teenagers having a similar radicalization cycle that would funnel them into various online pipelines. Everyone knows about the alt-right pipeline, that insidious online infrastructure that took thousands of young men and molded them through YouTube videos, blogs, Twitter accounts, and perhaps most importantly right-wing imageboards like 4chan, into unrepentant neo-Nazis.

Adjacent to these spaces, however, were a smattering of smaller ones trying to make the opposite happen. To take righteous anger and funnel it into something more constructive, without sacrificing the need to have a dark sense of humor. In the face of the terrible sludge that runs through the ‘Alt-Right Pipeline,’ that radicalization funnel so acutely tuned to latch onto these young grievances at the time, who would create its antithesis?

The video was called ‘You Don’t Hate (Blue) Mondays.’ It is not a video essay, or breakdown of theory and praxis. It starts as a compilation of anarchist posters from various eras, before cutting to a different compilation of anti-austerity riots in Athens, fighters of the EZLN in Chiapas, Black Bloc attacking the Trump inauguration, and soldiers of the YPG in Syria taking ground. In the background is a remix of the song ‘Blue Monday,’ and it shattered one illusion for me. The illusion that there were no other options than decaying liberalism and its fascistic endpoint. There are movements out there that reject both, that seek to build more, and that have a long and arduous history.

Similar to many right-wing memes that broke out into the mainstream, like Pepe the Frog or Gamergate, it came from an imageboard. /Pol/, or 4chan’s ‘Politically Incorrect’ board was around the height of its cultural influence at the time. The difference here is that it came from its antithesis, /leftypol/.

It was here that I dug in, scanning my own memory, articles from the past, and talking to contemporary users of the board.
History

/leftypol/ got its start as part of the kaleidoscope of many boards on 8chan. For those who need a refresher: 8chan is 4chan’s younger brother, founded ostensibly as a techno-libertarian alternative. Built on ‘free speech absolutism’ with only one rule, do not share anything illegal in the U.S., 8chan quickly spiraled into a cesspit of Nazism and pedophilia while becoming the premier place for mass shooters to post their manifestos. Anybody could create a board, no programming knowledge or even firm moderation required.

In this, the internet’s worst jungle juice, /leftypol/ founded a place for those messageboard users who did not fall into the reactionary trap.

Founded in 2014, it immediately began a frayed and hostile relationship with nearly every other board on the site. It also sheltered a big tent of left-wing thought spanning Anarchists to Marxist-Leninists, Egoists, Hoxhaists, National Bolsheviks (or Nazbols) and Posadists (although the extent to which the last two were jokes is dependent on who you ask). It contained similarly irony poisoned humor (I say this with love) to the rest of the ‘chan’ space, while fundamentally rooted in positions that kept it far away from the cesspit that was the rest of that internet village. The board has held up various ‘manifestos’ throughout its different iterations, but they’ve all kept the same line. The most recent “/leftypol/ Manifesto” reads thusly.

“The mission of /leftypol/ at leftypol.org is to provide a fun and enjoyable space for the working masses around the world, as an anonymous community of non-sectarian leftists united in common cause against the forces of capitalism, fascism, and liberalism.”

“We aim to be the negation of /pol/; anti-fascist, materialist, better read. Our mission, above all, is to learn, and help others learn, the philosophical tools necessary to elucidate the interrelated and ever-increasingly complex space of self, society, and politics, from the local to the global scale.”

/leftypol/ upheld one other commitment, an opposition to liberal identity politics. In the late Obama period, and its immediate deterioration into Trump 1, the rejection of liberal identity politics in favor of upholding the primacy of class struggle, originating from a place of vulgar Marxism, was more scandalous to most liberal commentators and onlookers than the site it was hosted on. It was on this rock that they would build their platform of left unity.

In a world devoid of, and even actively hostile towards, class consciousness and under bombardment by a liberalism seeking to co-opt the movement of the progressive masses, /leftypol/’s predisposition to buck social norms allowed them to be one of the few places left waving that flag.

In the 4chan-esque oeuvre /leftypol/ was forged in, however, this commitment would often devolve into pure class reductionism. Users who would whine about the need for protestors of color to cease their struggles and instead take up the mantle of “No War But Class War,” as if the working people of this country were not contemporaneously shaking the nation to its foundations in the name of Black lives. A blind spot cultivated due to the mostly white userbase of the site, and one that would keep it that way.

In 2017, amongst a divide in the user base over whether or not to support the Syrian Democratic Forces in the Syrian Civil War, the original board owner known as ‘Che’ went on a banning spree. This specifically targeted pro-SDF users, most of whom were anarchists, libertarian socialists, and other non-Marxist-Leninist tendencies.

Kerfus, a former moderator and longtime user of the board, described some of the history, “It's a pretty standard thing in the radical politics milieu: splits, purges, etc. But it had a lasting impact on the ideology of the userbase. Pre-purge, the user base was very diverse, from social democrats to Marxist-Leninists, Maoists, Bordigists and council communists, to anarchists of various tendencies, including primitivists, nihilists.”

He continued,
“Post-purge and the failure of /leftpol/, the board became increasingly more ML, the kind to talk endlessly about geopolitics and Soviet history, to label every protest as a color revolution. Che (an original board owner) was apparently a Marcyite, which would explain quite a few things, as I've heard they are a rather sectarian tendency in American Marxism.”

In 2019, Cloudflare and the rest of its internet providers dropped 8chan, kicking it off the clearnet. During this time, /leftypol/ migrated to a backup site known as Bunkerchan. Due to administrative issues, and an influx of combative “MAGA Communists,” a split occurred in Bunkerchan. This was the most consequential of many major conflicts that happened throughout the history of the board.
From this, the modern “leftypol.org” would spring forth. It retained the vast majority of users and original moderators.
Analysis

Imageboards in general are an antiquated, old-web form of communication. It’s a complete wonder that sites like 4chan and 8chan accumulated as much cultural cachet as they had (and still have, to an extent) 4chan was the site of a ‘Great Meme War’ during the first Trump campaign, one which launched the site into unrivaled cultural relevance as the barrage of crowdsourced, fascist talking points and slogans created the foundation of Trump’s young, radical base.

As Politico put it, “There is no real evidence that memes won the election, but there is little question they changed its tone, especially in the fast-moving and influential currents of social media. The meme battalions created a mass of pro-Trump iconography as powerful as the Obama “Hope” poster and far more adaptable.”

According to numerous documents released in the Epstein files, 4chan’s owner Christopher Poole met with multi-millionaire banker and international sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein multiple times in 2011, a few months before /pol/ was brought online as a board on 4chan. There’s no hard evidence to prove that Epstein directly told Poole to create /pol/, but since then it’s no secret that plenty of influence operations and astroturfed campaigns have gotten their start on 4chan.

What is known, though, is that since 2015 the site has been de-facto moderated by a mysterious manager known as ‘RapeApe.’ In lieu of intervention from 4chan’s current owner, Hiroyuki Nishimura, the site has been consistently pushed towards and molded into far-right beliefs. Where once /pol/ was meant to be the containment board for racists, it is now the head driving the site. According to an investigation by Vice, this is the design of RapeApe.

From Gamergate to those hundreds of memes generated to gin up support for Trump in the run up to 2016, /pol/’s politics have been used to reinforce the class interests of the rich and famous. Many of the influencers to come from it, too, have become fairly wealthy themselves.

At the same time, many right-wing influencers begged to get /leftypol/ taken offline.

According to a Twitter post from Fredrick Brennan, the now-deceased former owner and operator of 8chan, “/leftypol/ was, by far, the board I was most commonly asked to delete as 8chan's admin. BY FAR. In person, over Skype, it seemed like every right-wing e-celeb would ask me to.”

He continued, “They fucking hated you guys. I learned that a lot of my so-called libertarian friends were anything but. They'd send me "evidence" that /leftypol/ was "breaking the law".”

Through this saga, /leftypol/ maintained its own type of edgelord culture. Jokes about Posadism, the belief of Argentine Trotskyist J. Posadas that the world revolution would be heralded by communist space aliens and intentional nuclear hellfire, the popularization of the term Anarkiddie, the unapologetic embrace of the term ‘Tankie’ by some members.

You might remember the ‘dirtbag left’ contemporary to the 2016 Bernie Sanders American socialist zeitgeist. Mostly white, male left wing personalities embracing a vulgarity and shock-jock attitude that was empowering to some and alienating to others. Well, where else could these people find a perfect home?

One user of the site gave me a note on an early draft of this article, one that stuck with me: “There’s honestly a need to mention the brutality and crudeness of the “dirtbag” left. That’s what made /leftypol/ stand out, not mere humor, but the willingness to yell NAZBOL GANG in a thread about historical materialism […] and other diagonal ideas that appealed to those attracted to imageboard politics.”

Discomrade, a former tech developer of leftypol.org from 2021 to 2023 put it like so: “/leftypol/ was effective because it filled the real desire for a dirtbag left space, and answered many of the questions that edgy meme-loving nerds were left wanting once blaming da joos stopped being funny and started being honest and pathetic.”

They continued, “There is real value in having creative social spaces where socialists can be publicly edgy, blunt and unapologetic, in stark contrast to the standard whiny student protests, sensitive language-policing and mind-numbing dry critiques […], and worst of all, liberal rainbow capitalism that serves to recuperate revolutionary ideas. There is real shock value in breaching the assumed values of "socialism".”

Default.Blog put it succinctly, “A young male communist who grows up in the same internet spaces where all the other degenerate gamers, anime fans and other hobbyists congregate will probably never truly sit comfortably within the politeness of woke society in normal social media, and /leftypol/ remains one of the few places where they don't have to. There is also a sort of memetic rivalry to the broader reactionary imageboard community, however, of wanting to be more sophisticated but also worried about appearing as “soft” and thin-skinned as the woke internet outside.”

So the board is filled with Albanian bunker memes, catgirls, and threads laughing at failed Nazi rallies. Yet, it maintains a genuine undercurrent of curiosity and a commitment to something approaching reason. You can watch various world events through ‘Happening’ threads, where users congregate to stay up-to-date on whatever contemporary crisis is happening at any given time. I saw more links to actual news sources and an interest in OSINT than similar threads on 4chan.

For heaven's sake, the site maintained and continues to maintain a board for the dissemination of free information. /edu/ (education) is where you can go to find discussions on theory, on praxis, dense texts, and lessons on argumentation. Here you will find the phenomenon of “effortposting.”

As described by Kerfus, “When people take time to articulate their thoughts on a complex subject. I have learned a lot by reading them.”

Contemporary Relevance

It’s easy to write all this off. /leftypol/ is, on many levels, a lot less active than it used to be. It did not win any popular meme wars, etc. On the other hand, however, it did and continues to do so much with so little. /leftypol/ is up against the gargantuan, and status quo friendly /pol/. They’ve undoubtedly gotten under their skin.

According to 4plebs, a 4chan archiving site, there are over 40 pages worth of posts mentioning /leftypol/ in 2025 alone. Most of which are conspiracy-mongering about various users secretly being agents of /leftypol/ or screeching about how ‘sensitive’ their members are (all laden with the requisite amount of slurs).

There is nothing revolutionary about the reactionary beliefs that spawn out of 4chan, yet /leftypol/ does exactly what it says it wants to do. It served (and continues to serve) as a base for the revolutionary-minded, those on the left who have a sense of humor. Kerfus explained, “One important thing is that /leftypol/ was created as an answer to the fascist politics of the 4chan and 8chan /pol/ boards. Some of us pre-2016 4chan users were leftists or anarchists and simply liked the anonymous format. /lit/ created the Stirner memes after all, and my ex-favorite board /mu/ used to be into indie/alternative music, which is a pretty left-wing milieu. The story goes that /leftypol/ started as a /lit/ offshoot actually, since everyone could create their own boards on 8chan.”

And even underneath the long shadow of /pol/’s cultural influence, /leftypol/’s own influence has not disappeared. Aside from memes such as the anarchist catgirl Alunya and capitalist Porky the Pig, the aggression and zeitgeist of young socialism still draw their inspiration from that board.

“My favorite aspect of /leftypol/, one which I hope we can recover, was how it faced our absurd dystopia with a resolve rooted in even greater absurdity.” Moderator Baphomet told me.

“You can still see some of that today, whether it be the ironic praising of the actions of "JDPON Don" or treating Zohran Mamdani as though he's a revolutionary Maoist junta leader rather than a social democratic mayor. The world is irrational, might as well embrace it and fight fire with fire. At least that's my opinion.”

I asked users where they saw the board heading in the future. There was a healthy dash of pessimism and uncertainty; one user, Sputnik_, said “I have no idea. Maybe it'll get bigger, maybe it won't, but regardless it truly is a website.”

On the other hand, many noted real potential in the board to build itself into something greater.

Baphomet explained, “If we can strategically prune low quality bait and bad faith arguments with rigor, while avoiding falling into the trap of sectarianism, we just might have a chance of pulling ourselves out of this rut. Since becoming a mod I've learned just what a tedious and thankless task it is, haha.”

When prompted to imagine where they wanted the board to be in the future, the ideas were a tad more uplifting. Discomrade wrote, “I want /leftypol/ to be in a position where people who need it can find it. People disillusioned with the manosphere and incel culture, with culture wars, with whiteness politics and electoralism. Infamy is our biggest asset, we get free advertising every day from people wondering who the hell this /leftypol/ is that /pol/ keep blaming everything on. Do nothing, keep winning.”

Another moderator told me what they saw as the purpose of the board, “To function both as an internet agitprop laboratory and a dialectical counter-hegemonic apparatus: contesting the right-wing’s capture of the online cultural, linguistic, and memetic terrain, while developing autonomous forms of political subjectivity, collective intelligence, and cultural production capable of intervening in, and eventually transforming, the digital, and even material, landscape itself.”

‘You don't hate (blue) mondays (Student Palestine Protest)’ is a recreation of its original source updated for the modern day, with photos from across the world (including some from my campus, PSU.) The way that the original video gave its original thesis statement in the posters and juxtapositions, here one screenshot in the beginning cuts through all the noise. A simple definition for ‘imperial boomerang.’

Undoubtedly, /leftypol/’s spectre is still haunting the internet.

Imagine willingly advertising this site in some FBI compatible left e-magazine as if we don’t have enough libs. Might as well take up ad space on the Daily Stormer if we’re going make a habit of appealing to Nazis

seems like a piece of writing entirely composed of the views of the moderation team rather than what the website is actually like


>>2917529
This tbh, do we really need more democrat shills on this board?

>>2917537
This, this article is a good as an obituary to this site. There should be articles on what leftypol is currently and its impact of the internet and broader cultural landscape currently, not a genralized history as though its some fucking senior citizen (or even has the same mod team when it first started). The fact this happened is proving the reality that this site is currently washed up.

>>2917529
Youll have a better go of it advertising on Unz.com

>>2917716
> The fact this happened is proving the reality that this site is currently washed up.
2 more weeks and one more purge and we will be so back

>>2917716
Is that a suited horse man sitting on a massive ballsack containing Guts from Berserk

>>2917526
FUCK YOU /LEFTYPOL/

>if you're dumb enough to read a substack this weekend then you're a big enough schmuck to go to big geese hell's news

>BAD ARTICLES
>SITES THAT BREAK DOWN
>DATAMINERS
>if you can find a good article at geese
>YOU CAN KISS MY ASS
>its our belief that you're such a stupid blue voting bitch that you'll fall for this bullshit
>GUARANTEED
>if you find a better news arm you can shove it up your ultra ass
>YOU HEARD US RIGHT
>SHOVE IT UP YOUR ULTRA ASS
>bring your idealism, bring your userbase, bring your mind
>we'll fuck it
>THATS RIGHT WE'LL FUCK YOUR MIND
>because at big geese hell you're fucked six ways from sunday
>take a hike to big geese hell
>home of theory shitting
>YOU HEARD US RIGHT THEORY SHITTING
>if you can shit out enough left wing buzzwords that you can use to justify pledging to vote for AOC in 2028 then you get a free DSA membership with no dues
>don't wait
>don't delay
>don't fuck with us or we'll whine about you on twitter
>only at big geese hell
>the only left wing newspaper that quotes gramsci and lenin to justify voting for lameduck democrats
>this newspaper ends the moment we get a little bit of DNC money and that check better not bounce or we'll whine about it on twitter

>>2917739
>America is filled with reformist liberals pretending to be socialists.
america is filled with reactionaries, conservatives, and fascists. maybe 10% of America is "reformist liberals pretending to be socialists." It's so much worse than you say.

>>2917736
are you gonna spam this place with CSAM and poopy again? Please don't. I'll just have to stay offline that day.

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>>2917736

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>>2917751
>>2917752
shits it's the ACP isn't it? its gonna be the acp

>>2917752
do you eber shit in your hands and clap?

>>2917757
chill out rajesh don't you have some cowpiss to drink ?

>>2917761
its nice to see the shit that the paypiggies will say and do to mentally justify the fact that they blew most of their lifesavings on a kick streamer

>>2917771
post proof jewish nigger

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>>2917771
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>>2917773
oh noooes the matrix chats consisting of retards will get spammed oh no i'm so scared

>>2917779
agent you have been compromised, they know your location, take the box to the agreed meeting location and await further instructions

>>2917779
>he deleted his own posts

why are you so retarded z-paki ? did you get so spooked by your own villian monologue or do you think the larp shit is actually sensitive information?

>>2917736
This is so cringy man don't you have any self respect?

>>2917770
SIR SIR I HAVE THE CARDS AND YOU WORK SIR I AM THE HACKER SIR DO NOT REDEEM SIR I NEED YOUR CARD

>>2917785
>>he deleted his own posts
Because his mum got mad.

>>2917526
Interesting will cnn talk about us I remember an article 10 years calling us “alt-left” so…

>>2917716
the article is not a generalized history though, its a reflection piece from a user

…I think it's a nice article

I came here arguably too late and thus missed the heyday but the fact remains that this place is the only place of its kind. There is no substitute for it, so as far as we may perceive it to have "fallen", we should be thankful it even still exists. You're know it's *actually* over when the site gets taken down.

>>2917869
>i'm gonna take down the leftypol pedo mods, epic revenge style
you need to think bigger darling. try going after the epstein administration… assuming you don't work for them.

>>2917716
As long as I post, the worst fears of the English-speaking internet will always be vindicated, and I will live forever in their heads, as they jump at shadows, thinking I am but one of many. Has US State Dept. posted anything more about "third worldists"?

Which is funny, because I am actually kind of lazy about it. I wonder what would happen if I actually tried?
>AI generate a video of an American aircraft carrier sinking from Iranian missiles

>>2917891
>Has US State Dept. posted anything more about "third worldists"?

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>>2917526
>It’s easy to write all this off. /leftypol/ is, on many levels, a lot less active than it used to be. It did not win any popular meme wars, etc.
Wrong

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It might be less active than it used to be, but as a form of memetic praxis, creating the chudjak might have been monstrous but it also helped destroy /pol/ while also creating the conditions for its creator to destroy itself. You just have to understand history and the tasks that people set out to accomplish given certain material conditions.

>>2917716
I hope the publisher forced a certain perspective onto this article. So much of the history is wrong.

lol imagine crying because trump won

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>meme warfare
Normies are the ones who decide elections and they don’t give a fuck about memes the way chan dipshits do. Terminally online morons never stop projecting onto them.

/pol/ died because its ideology was fundamentally incompetent and posting is a distraction. The far-right keeps fucking up everything it touches and that has a demobilizing effect on any supporters who aren’t true believers. All its meme warfare bullshit was just smearing shit on the walls, and everyone outside their bubble thinks they’re a bunch of obnoxious idiots.

Couple that with social media eating the old internet’s lunch, no shit it’s dying

>>2917526
>I was around 13 years old
>The year was 2018
opinion discarded

/leftypol/ went to shit when it started letting people who disagree with me make posts

What was broken is now ash – my heart

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>>2918145
He hasn't uploaded in 6 years

The more I read this, the worse it is. It feels like it was written by an individual who was seething about "Fascist Catgirls" on Reddit while the board was in its heyday. I don't know anyone from 8chan who'd be crying "class reductionism" much less talking about "the right meme Pepe the Frog." I hope this was an addition by the publisher. If these are our jannies, I have no hope for the future of this community left.

I also don't like the claim of total continuity between 8chan, Bunkerchan, and .org. It's dishonest. The 8chan board lost three quarters of its users by 2018. Less than half of our moderators joined Bunkerchan. Fewer survived to the split. The moderation team Space cultivated before the death of 8chan had a very different philosophy, which unfortunately seems to be shared by many jannies here. Much more "protest left" and idpol friendly, and quicker to shut down speech on behalf of those two demographics.

What is the point of this article if it's not accurate? Why release it with the VOTE BLU NO MATTER WHU Zionist right wing of the DSA? This was made to appeal to a demographic that doesn't exist. The individuals who self flagellate about "class reductionist brocialism" already have their space in Mastodon, BlueSky and preXitter Twitter. They're not going to use a Chan.

>>2917529
You make a good point, though this isn't a party and there's nothing to protect

>>2918142
what a based kid
he didn't delete his videos either which means he still stands by them after all this time
hope he manages to escape the hellhole that is america eventually.

>>2917526
>Another moderator told me what they saw as the purpose of the board, “To function both as an internet agitprop laboratory and a dialectical counter-hegemonic apparatus: contesting the right-wing’s capture of the online cultural, linguistic, and memetic terrain, while developing autonomous forms of political subjectivity, collective intelligence, and cultural production capable of intervening in, and eventually transforming, the digital, and even material, landscape itself.”
when will the janguard make leftypol look like this instead of being just socdems and multipolaroids doing apologism for bourgeoise organizations 24/7?

>>2918186
>when will the janguard make leftypol look like this instead of being just socdems and multipolaroids doing apologism for bourgeoise organizations 24/7?

Marx was a multipolaroid. He supported capitalist American Unionists against the Confederacy. To be a marxist is to be a multipolaroid. Marx congratulated bourgeois capitalist Abraham Lincoln in a personal letter. Maoists and Ultras if transported back to Marx's time would have demanded that Marx behead Abraham Lincoln and wage Protracted Peoples' War against both the Union and the Confederacy simultaneously.

>>2918200
>marx supported bourgeoise shit when capitalism was still developing so that means its the same in the 21st century
idealist uyghur award

>>2918206
>I AM A TRUE MARXIST UNLIKE YOU STATE CAPITALIST REVISIONISTS YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO MARX
<AHHHHH NO NO NO NOT LIKE THAT WHEN IT GOES AGAINST MY PERSONAL VIEWS REEEEEEEEE
pick one lane to stay in sophist

>>2918145
Infrared also became a communist when he was a kid.

>>2918097
>Normies are the ones who decide elections
Uhhh it's actually the ruling class that decide elections dog, pretty far from the normies

>>2918210
>YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO MARX
das right, key word here being "listen" as opposed to "mechanically applying out of context shit in order to pretend Putin represents le historically progressive bourgeoisie"
Do you really think Marx would be writing appreciation letters to kremlincucks right now like he did with Lincoln if he was alive? Are you out of your mind?

>>2918226
nope. Burger normies are just so cattle, that they are willing to put up with democrats and Republicans.

>>2918229
They might put up with it, but that's not the same as being the ones who decide

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does this article mean that leftypol can have a wikipedia page now?

>>2918229
flipping the blame upside down so its the unwashed burger masses and not the upper class is why burgers spree shoot each other so often, the upper class laughs.

>>2918252
>le commibism is le ebil u never lived undr it!!!

fucking rope yourself, people who said this never have no idea how fucking shit jim crow era USA was, how fucking shit the UK was ect, I want China's 90% house ownership rate, I want Vietnams, I want healthcare, I dont get these here.

Ideological purity as if most western countries dont just straight up ban socialist parties.

You are a shitter who has been deluded into thinking the fascism of liberalism equates to freedom, probably because you stabbed your eyes and dont see all the homeless people you need to step over to get to your treats.

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>>2918272
You help every homeless person you see? How? Give them a bit of cash? That's admirable if true but surely if you were a real saint you would actually do what it takes to help them fix their life, let them sleep on your sofa until you can help them get housing, etc?

>>2918252
Having lived in a "safe house of libertarianism" is exactly what made me a Communist. Fuck Von Mises fuck Rothbard fuck Milton Friedman fuck Ayn Rand. Fuck you for ragebaiting me to reply to your dogshit post. America is a dying nation and retards like yourself have no response other than to close your eyes and clutch even harder onto your bullshit. I guarantee I've contributed more to charity than you have for your entire life and it doesn't accomplish jack shit because only government intervention can fix things.

>>2918274
Oh so now you only "care" about homelessness? Big whoop.

Yeah you're right, there's good reasons why not to take random homeless people into your house, but on the other hand, you could really help people by doing that, my point is don't think that you're so high and mighty just because you give out some meager alms.

As every government having housing problems, probably not really true, but even if it is, that's because all currently existing governments are bourgeois. A true people's government would actually make a solution.

>>2918272
>whataboutism is when you show liberalism has always been shit for the have nots

kill yourself

>>2918272
> totalitarian governments

you bring nazi propoganda into this conversation, that word was used to defend nazis on trial by making false slander against the USSR in order to try and show both of them where as bad as each other, or that the USSR was worse.
Its called the 'clean wermacht' myth and its been thoroughly debunked, imagine being this gleefully retarded that you regurgitate falsehoods shat out by nazi defence lawyers.

Libertarians in theory:
>Dude abolish taxes this is oppression people will take care of each other with CHARITY
Every libertarian I've met IRL:
>Haha I dumped my entire life savings into crypto. What will I do with the money if I win? I'll buy a mansion for myself and reinvest into another coin idk. What about contributing to the local homeless shelter? Uh well you see…

Fuck all Libertarians I hate you and the next one I meet and get to know personally I will not hesitate to murder after having investigated and confirmed as to how they spend their money.

>>2918285
The reason for this is because nowadays political ideas are usually picked by people based on their underlying dispositions. Libertarian ideas are a lot more credible than their proponents, because they appeal to a certain type of person as a justification for behaving like a selfish idiot, even though in theory they're much smarter than that.

This is also why they often incline towards supporting Trump despite Trump being a sort of pareto-optimally bad president on this score, arbitrarily looting private sector firms without even generating any public sector gain: Because Trump appeals to their dispositions even as he pisses all over their purported beliefs.
yes, modern communists also come to their beliefs through their dispositions. there's a reason they're all talk and no action. no, other random anon preparing to chip in here, you aren't clever for going "uh what about China" - "what about China" isn't relevant to leftypol.org, where the theory can explain the underlying behaviours of the userbase of leftypol.org, now is it? CPC members have real work to do and aren't posting here.

>>2918255
>I want Vietnams
so you want the goverment to desecrete the remains of your family so Trump can build a golf course? kek

>>2918283
turns out you cant ever compare two things to show one was worse because jewish niggers like you dive in with the thought terminating cliches, may as well call it a day and close every sociology department

>>2918284
>if we ignore the historical context this word is used in my argument still makes sense!!

not how the real world works, not that you'd know

>>2918293
3x the house ownership rate than the UK keep seething porky treatler

>>2918297
>socialism is when more private property
so trve, im porky and im seething so hard that dengoid "communist" parties keep reproducing the present state of things instead of aboloshing it :/

>>2918300
chat gpt reply

>>2918301
yes movement towards socialism involves building more houses, this is the 'abundance' of things Marx talks about (not that you know how to read books)

>>2918304
>yes movement towards socialism involves
desecrating the remains of proletarian families so the orange pedofile king can have his golf course, yes, this is basic marxism

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>>2918307
I dont argue with a data center in california ran by a pedo, sorry champ try facebook.

>>2918297
The UK has a 64.5% home ownership rate, so that makes Vietnam's what, 193.5% home ownership? Very impressive statistic!

>>2918323
its a misleading stat, half of those people outright own a place, the other 30% are paying a mortgage off so dont own it, the bank owns it.

in vietnam/china its outright own

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Bat’ko…
(didn't he get into some drama involving a friend of his showing nasty shit to some kid cuz he was a nazbol or was that just bs (not implying he endorsed that or anything, it was soooo fucking long ago i barely remember))

>>2918272
>>2918252
>westerner
yeah i live in the west and it sucks donkey balls, what about it faggot?

>>2918311
>>2918300
>>2918284
>>2918283
>>2918280
>>2918274
>>2918272
since when are libs allowed to post here?

>>2918252
>i love how every westerners lives in a safe house of libertarianism and bitches about how rightwing dictatorship or communism is better without actually living under it.
whataboutism lol

reminder that "whataboutism" is not an actual logical fallacy

>>2918357
Eleborate

>>2918365
>red bad
>blue bad

ok what good then

>>2918371
as usual with you whataboutery pedos what you really mean is status quo is good because you benefit from having a landlord dad or something

>>2918377
im sorry to hear you live in tel aviv

>>2918386
>i live in country with shitty economy and a shitty government
sounds like you live in a capitalist country, that sucks bro

>>2918393
if they lived in the USSR they would be able to enjoy that their rent was about 3% of the monthly wages

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>>2918252

>>2918396
cuck

>>2918396
>sounds like your life is depend on smoking copium and making assumptions
if its not capitalist then whats the mode of production where you live?

>>2918395
>wages
damn this USSR thing sounds like a capitalist shithole

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>>2918410

lmao, shouldnt you be out chasing american pilots or something

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>>2918407

>>2918410
>none
so how do the material goods humans consume in this country exist if there is no mode of production? do things just magically appear out of the air?

>>2918410
>I AM LE IRANIAN
Least obvious Mossad op lmfao. Iran has hyperinflation and this uyghur wants us to believe he's a rich libertarian capitalist who can afford to spend hours arguing online with Westerners instead of hiding out in a bomb shelter dodging Trump's raids or fighting back in the military or just out and about trying to secure daily essentials.

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>>2918420
the winner of the cold war is doing this to your country

>>2918420
Reacting like this makes you part of the problem

>>2918422
Shut the fuck up Zionist bitch everyone already knows you're lying. The Americans didn't restrict their bombing campaign to "the south" of the country you fucking retard kill yourself immediately for being such a terrible shill that you didn't even bother to research the country you're supposed to impersonate being a citizen from.

>>2918420
>oil
just like capitalist USA :)
>theocracy is like monarchy
we are discussing mode of production bro, not forms of goverment

also its pretty funny how the first thing the current government did when they got into power was arrest every communist, its like the 'iranian' doesnt even know there own history and has somehow absorbed every lie told about Iran by the Americans, curious

>>2918431
not to mention how the shah repressed communists and sent 1000's of them into exile as well, fucking idiot

>>2918431
yeah he becomes a turbo slut for the IRGC when it comes to muh hecking commies

>>2918437
>they're more into stealing it than selling it
why do you think they steal it? to just look at it? kek

>>2918431
Because he's not even Iranian but a Western bot or shill lying aout being Iranian and doing it badly. For fuck's sake the Iranian government already issued guidance to stop using air conditioning to conserve power while undergoing rolling power blackouts due to American military strikes and this uyghur pretends like Iranians have 24/7 electricity uptime and that they would spend limited resources arguing with Westerners online holy fucking shit this is the most retarded attempted impersonation I've ever seen on my entire time on /leftypol/ stretching back to the 8chan days fucking hell.

>>2918437
I get the feeling you'd understand communism better if your dad didnt shoot communists in the back of the head.

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>>2918451
>power cuts

sounds like crapitalism to me!

>>2918457
go back to /pol/

usually power cuts happen in the west because workers ask for enough money to pay the bills but what do I know

>>2918400
this is hecking homophobico

>>2918420
Are you a nazbol?

>>2918467
holy shit, you are such a fucking faggot.

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>>2918474
glad we managed to turn you around and get you to agree you're a communist, make sure you lit everyone know you're a national socialist

>>2918474
racist are statistically retarded. The modern intellectual is anti-nationalist. Back then they weren't, because scientists thought browns are less.

That is why every nationalistic party among the west are declining in approval rating. Their anti-intellectual makes them too retarded.

Only a non-nationalist is capable of governing because only he is an intellectual.

>>2918487
As a lefty you need to be educated because you are basically running the entire economy.

I swear, modern nationalist would spend their time posting aryan edits from the white house xitter account.

>>2918200
multipoltards really think marx would agree with their subhuman asses if he was alive, thats how low they think of him, these are profoundly anti-communist creatures at a biological level

>>2918487
>i am retard and that okay because retard feel good

>>2918517
The question is what you mean by educated, because what I understand from it is people who studied in a academia. An intellectual, basically. Also, by progressive I mean opposing nationalism or racial supremacy. Abraham lincoln, for example, was a progressive for his time who abolished slavery.

>>2918531
>a christian nationalist brony living in Iran

damn son

>>2918538
Fuck you you faggot. You won't agree with mi and tht's why you are baiting meeeeee.

>>2918538
what is even christian nationalism to (you). I just think of BioShock infinite.

>>2918547
So you are just a patriot?

>>2918543
so what you're telling us is that you want to replace your current government with a christian nationalist one, the exact same type of government that is currently blowing up school children in your cities.

>>2918554
>no trust me bro this time the christian nationalist country will be good, because it just will!

lmfao log off agent kyle

>>2918557
every single christian nation has had these, why is yours different fucking idealist

>>2918457
>sounds like a random country attacked us and we don't have oil to burn so we can we can produce electricity.
that sounds a lot like capitalism

>>2918565
so it only works in a fantasy you have made in your head, the fact you think otherwise betrays your liberal 'i am the special one' deluded mindset.

>>2918586
correct, just like all other countries on earth right now

>>2918592
incoherent nonsense

I should've responded to the interview questions for this but decided that several paragraphs of yap and theorycrafting about the trajectory of the online left over the last 15 years probably would just be a lot of noise for the author to edit down.

>>2918592
>when everyone is a capitalist, no one is.
the non-capitalists are the proletarians inside the capitalists countries

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>>2918462
i sincerely apologize to all the homnosexuals of the world

>>2917906
>>2917900
Everyone on this site is so proud of the chudjak but I've ran into the porky meme randomly far more often.

>>2917526
Think this is a good reflection. I found leftypol like 6 months before 8chan got taken down and have been chasing it down through every split and backup site. Its the only place you can engage in leftist politics without the preflight checklist of moralising hymning and hawing that normally comes with leftist politics

ACAB (All Communists Are Beautiful)


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