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Do nothing, win? It genuinely does not matter whether they call themselves MLs or MLMs; though the MLMs, by their own logic, tend to break from this more often than MLs. The question is what it is about Marxist-Leninists in the modern world that leaves them mired in inaction, or in vague gestures toward organization. Nearly every American ML or MLM organization has, in essence, denounced the George Floyd uprisings. Not on the surface level, but when you dig thru the layers of their statements, texts, and interviews you observe this. I have read deeply into their positions, they critique the failures, the liberal NGO elements, and so on, but then they also shun the "riots," labeling them adventurism and spontaneity "no different than playing into the fears of the far-right" yet their entire existence, and the name Lenin itself, carries that same charge. Ask them for the alternative and they vaguely say "organize," but look inside and you find that by this they mean a milieu of petty-bourgeois, highly educated intellectuals endlessly discussing theory, liberal activism, and elections. Why should the real working class and its movements interact with these types? Why should we take them seriously when they tell those of us who are suffering not to directly defend ourselves from attackers, not to directly resist the daily misery of capitalism, not to directly expropriate and survive while striving for our freedom? Especially when these people can afford the comfort to happily exist and organize their entire lives away without any revolutionary fervor or action disrupting daily life.

Another pathetic error these Leninists tend to make is the belief that meaningful action must be placed on pause until their particular organization has grown to some predetermined threshold, a position that is flawed on so many levels, even by the standards of Marxist-Leninism itself. Not to mention that there exist multiple organizations simultaneously convinced of this same logic, each one waiting for its own numerical vindication while the conjuncture burns. And the way they build their party is indistinguishable from how a hopeless Jehovah's Witness builds their faith, wandering around events with outdated zines and newspapers that very few people will ever read, mistaking the ritual of distribution for the work of accumulation, and mistaking their own perseverance for evidence of correctness. It never amounts to anything more than sad, isolated preachers who never develop or champion legitimate action.

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Agreed there is this weird amount of "anti-action" amoung ML groups where they completely discreddit any movement that doesn't clearly state its FOR class.

For example in the black lives matter movement there was a decent amount of the BLM leadership that were actual marxists, and there were also Black Panther involvement (even if they were LARPing and less about marxism-leninism).

Even if these movements labed themselves as idpol, or liberal, it doesn't change the fact that the 2020 protests came from actual class struggle. These were people who were employed and now lost their jobs to a recession accelerated from a preventable virus that became a pandemic because healthcare is so shit in the US.

Again admitly I think the MLs might be right, class as a form of indeification is much more stronger then ethnicty or gender. Ironically i think a repeat of these protests might happen but instead for "black lives" or "the 2020 election was stolen" it will be "our lives matter" and "my job was stolen".

>>2919316
literally just call it "poor lives matter"

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>>2919316

I could directly dismantle multiple essays and post them, but instead I will respond only in general terms to the same points and failures of analysis.

There is a major flaw and a failure of theory in the inability to see the uprising as a function of class struggle. Despite the liberal elements of the co-optation forces, the struggle against police and prisons has been occurring and escalating for years under the growing prison structures, with the growing surplus populations being targeted by this system and forced into the machinery of capitalist prisons. This is the main center of class struggle in the United States; it is the greatest contradiction, and it is a very clear and violent aspect of American capital, just as industrial labor used to be the very clear and violent contradiction of American capital.

Nearly every Marxist-Leninist organization has failed to be in touch with reality outside of its academic circles. Some of them have claimed that "the riots and adventurism echo the same sentiments of far-right opportunism, and the levels of destruction and looting of goods have nothing to do with the struggle against prisons. Many adventurist currents such as ultra marxists and anarchists think this type of behavior is more worthy than actual organizing." Well, I am a ML who likes to study modern history as it relates to today and now, and this is false. The anarchists have been organizing against police violence heavily from small cities to large ones, down to being in contact with the families of victims of police violence. They were the main force struggling against liberal co-optation of anti-police and anti-prison movements, and the IWOC (Incacerated Workers Organizing Committee), a committee of anarcho-communists in the IWW, helped to orchestrate the largest prison strikes in US history, which were coordinated by multiple prisons. Riots occurred in prisons, and anarchists essentially connected them all to a larger movement. They educated many prisoners. This was not long before George Floyd, and it happened after Ferguson. What people do not always mention is that anarchism was peaking with interest in the Black community during this era, which was not always true (it used to be alien) and this was the moments that led up to the uprising. This is why the media tried so hard to whitewash anarchism during this time. I saw the local media say "white anarchists are using peaceful protests as human shields".

Why do so many Marxist-Leninists glaze over the context and oversimplify it? Why would they not observe reality and instead consider truth?

Another thing, one of these dorks actually did a report-back complaining that people did not seem willing to engage in political discussions or take their flyers, and instead responded with "a were busy attitude." My friend, there are literal standoffs going on, and your idea of contributing is to sell newspapers? This is a huge lack of situational awareness. It is actually a display of the working class adventuring beyond the people who are supposedly the self-proclaimed vanguards of struggle.

The constant criticism of looting from Marxist-Leninists shows that most of these people do not know much at all. You see, most working-class people in the urban USA no longer have a direct connection to industrial production, and the working class and labor are more atomized. So capitalist domination manifests in people's relation to the commodity and to social reproduction, so resistance to capitalist domination is not going to appear the same way it did under Lenin. It is going to appear in ways relevant to the function of capitalism.

The George Floyd Uprising was multiracial, and its poorest and working-class elements were its most militant. The issue is that these people are too academic, and this is not an anti-intellectual stance. You can be an academic and grounded in political reality, but this does not grant you the ability to fully grasp things. You cannot learn some things in school. If there is to be a vanguard, it has to be led by organic intellectuals, poor people, not just academics, otherwise, the theory will always fall short when it comes to praxis. The formulas need to be updated, not repeated. That is what made Lenin profound, was his ability to adapt Marxism to the relative situation.

Perhaps, a new party must be formed, a true party.

thread tl;dr FUCKING DO SOMETHING, STOP READING BOOKS AND DOING NOTHING, LEAVE YOUR ROOM GO CHANGE THE WORLD ONE STEP AT A TIME, ITS NOT ENOUGH TO OBSERVE THE WORLD THE POINT IS TO CHANGE ITTTTTT

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The main reason the struggle was so easily co-opted by BLM and other NGOs is that there is no truly revolutionary party in the United States willing to serve as the real voice of the oppressed, and, yes, to stand by things that could get it marked for death and arrest. If you are not willing to do this, you are not a communist party. A communist party never denounces workers uprisings; it advises them, it mitigates them away from co-optation. That is its task. From how little we have seen this, it seems so far, as far as im concerned every current major amerikkkan socialist/communist ORG is a glowie operation.

I would say, be wary of anyone who blankets the idea that the struggle against capitalism is too premature to have teeth, and action, in Marxist lingo. At the same time be aware, use your head, and realize when someone is promoting reckless action veiled with anti-capitalist lingo. Both of these characters are being dishonest, whether on purpose or by accident and they must be ignored and addressed. Otherwise they will poison the entire well.

Juche schizo thread

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>>2919468

My immortal science of Marxist-Leninist-Maoism is the science of communist insurgency in its highest form, and you will respect it as such. Feds like you fear this true, and proper, uncompromising stance. You can disprove nothing we say, so you resort to attacks and lies and we will even best you at these. Shut your mouth you whimpering colonial dog of Jewish exceptionalism.




>>2919461

my source on the prison strikes -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S._prison_strike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_U.S._prison_strike


(can source most other info upon request)


image related, it was painted on the Minneapolis Target store that was ransacked and destroyed

ACKtivism is retarded

>>2919305
I agree 100% with your assessment of the American micro-parties, but i don't want to join an anarchist org

>>2919468
He's right, expect all the American "ML" parties are actually just crypto-trots


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