They're all in cahoots. It's true, it's one big club, and (you) are not in it. Politics is just one big spectacle where the rabble gets exploited and killed. But the elites party and have their fun. Xi Jinping, the oh so great anti-imperialist. Of course!(b8 thread)
>Having dinner and shaking hands at formal dplomatic events is treachery
LeftKKKoms get more retarded every year. Xi didn't even choose any of this crap it was all Trump's design just like how Trump didn't get to choose anything when he visited China.
>>2920254dengoys are pathetic
>>2920225Mao famously never shhok hands with nixon
Fucking retard
I wonder how many marxist-leninist-reaganist-thatcherist have already furiously reported this thread for racism or something
>>2920225Leftychud, why does China mog the US while other AES countries only succeeded at containing byt not destroying Western ambitions? It appears the only way to defeat the west is to be better capitalists than them?
I have been looking into critiques of Marx from Bakunin and others and I can't help but notice how Marxism in the leftcom sense really loses out to capitalism because it is not entropically favorable.
>>2920321>because it is not entropically favorable.wtf is this even supposed to mean lmao
>Xi meets with the actual leaders of the US
>this is somehow betrayal
Betrayal of what? Aren't leftcoms always droning on about how states don't actually exist?
>>2920225>immediately get taken over by capitalist roaders after mao dies>deng shakes hands and makes deal with nixon, fucking nixonlol
<The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state. - Mao Zedong, On State Capitalism, July 9th, 1953
>>2920225deng shook hands with ho chi minh
mao shook hands with nixon
>>2920388>Even right hand of Stalin is his left handDamn. He was 100% left.
>>2920391
yes that was the anon's point. that it started before deng
>>2920199Most of the world is at war with each other. For example, Russia is at war with the Ukraine. Who knows what is happening in Burma. The middle east is on fire, etc. China and the US are two countries that are not at war with each other, that keep some sense of civility in this dark age. So they shake hands and talk to one another as they are at peace.
Apparently this is never enough for the Leftkkkoms though. Anything other than Xi launching his entire nuclear arsenal on Washington DC is proof that "they're all in cahoots." Apparently the idea that two sides might be at peace but not in cahoots is too hard to understand.
>>2920357Economic systems which have high growth in total factor productivity generate more entropy than those that limit that growth. So monopoly capitalism tends to lose out in basic competition with market capitalism, while state-owned oligopolies tend to win out market capitalism. The Anarchy of Production Marx wrote about is exactly the mechanism which generates entropy. China did not do away with it, but uses it to mog the US. So it seems that Marxism can only be victorious by not following its doctrine.
Duh
Every single politician is your enemy
>>2920424Meaningless jargon
Reminder: if you have a problem with communist parties destroying cemetaries of proletarian families to build golf courses for the orange man, trademaxxing with Israel and going to elite parties with western imperialists, you are CIA and its you who is pretending to be a communist while advancing the interests of the bourgeoisie, not them. Don't let the do-nothing ultras psyop you y'all!
>>2920444Naisu Trips.
>ultrasI would support the ultras if they solved the economic entropy problem. How do the ultras outcompete capitalism and dengism? Serious answers only. I want leftcoms to do their best and if they give good arguments I will become a Leftcom.
Screencap this and use it against me if I snake out.
>>2920424>but uses it to mog the USChina is not "mogging" the US in any meaningful way. Not economically, not militarily, and not culturally. China is a slave colony for American treatlerites, and the CPC is largely happy with maintaining that dynamic.
>Marxism can only be victorious by not following its doctrineThen you're not a Marxist. lol tf?
>>2920441>this is what anti-marxists actually believeembarassing take, in 1 year you will be on reddit
>>2920453>economic entropy problemno such thing you retard and the anarchy of production was a criticism of marx towards capitalist owned production
>>2920441You should become an economist, they love arguing solely on the basis of citations while pulling shit out of their asses, equivocating something like thermodynamics with economics is hilarious. Fucking stooge of capital.
>>2920453You really just are a spineless run-of-the-mill antisocial neoliberal. Do you ever go outside? Do you ever try to do
anything at all?
>>2920464>China is a slave colony for American treatleritesBullshit.
>xi meets american leaders
>i.e. tech ceos
China is capitalist but lets not be overly cynical. Theres nothing special going on, its just a diplomatic dinner
>>2920498These guys would have had a nosebleed when Krutschev visited America or when Stalin met with obese Churchill.
>>2920510You haven't explained why meeting other people is bad and shaking hands with them is bad in the first place.
>>2920513it just hecking is okay.
>>2920513Why should I legitimize my enemy by meeting with them?
>>2920510Lenin was a capitalist
>>2920516Legitimize a fucking world leader lol. They hold power whether or not you """legitimize""" them. Leftkkkoms don't have object permanence and think if they close their eyes around things they don't like they stop existing.
>>2920494>equivocating something like thermodynamics with economics is hilarious.fuck equivocation. thermodynamics is universal and economics can only be a subcategory of it. marx understood this even without understanding thermodynamics because he knew material conditions form the base of economic life, while bourgeois economic doctrine was superstructural.
>>2920424>Marxism can only be victorious by not following its doctrine.doctrine?
>>2920428Communism will be the flower. Capitalism is the bud. Feudalism was the sprout. Slavery was the seed. Primitive Communism was the soil. Do you understand?
>>2920546Diplomacy isn't punk rawk I know, it suuuuuucks
>>2920553>diplomacy is when you export cheap goods for treatlerites and suck off the imperialist-in-chief at dinnerOK
Why can't these revisionist just do a hardcore punk rock band called FUCK USA PIG instead of selling goods and products?
>>2920568A nuclear bomb would be a better idea, but you do you.
>>2920549you could apply that argument to literally every single thing, natural laws of physics dictating existence does not mean that social constructs of humans (or other an animals even) is as predictable as a law of thermodynamics.
>>2920552That's a very apt analogy because flowers only bloom for a few days at most.
I really wonder how many posters here have ever actually worked jobs and struggled to get food on the table. But i guess we just have to wait for the mandates of heaven to fall down on us from our overlords, after all they can't "not" do it since it's a natural law or some shit, no use in actually building movements or anything, just hope the tsar will bless you with flowery communism so you can join their ranks of upper class classless communism.
>>2920424so according to you the laws of thermodynamics change dependiing on wether there is 'monopoly capitalism' or 'market capitalism'?
stop smoking crack
>>2920556>WTF CHYNA WHY AREN'T YOU HELPING THE INTERNATIONAL WORKING CLASS<Ogey, here are some cheap goods we produced to make life more affordable for poor workers everywhere to help nullify some of the effects of neoliberalism >WTF NOOOOOO SUPPORTING THE POOR IS IMPERIALISTHmmmmmmmmm……
>>2920424>So it seems that Marxism can only be victorious by not following its doctrine.OR maybe China could export revolution, I guess
>>2920789>internationalism is when you make commodities dengist theory is crazy
>>2920789>to help nullify some of the effects of neoliberalismThey are a product of neoliberalism
>>2920821Wrong. Neoliberalism destroys the productive forces. What has Argentina under Milei produced other than poverty and misery? What did Pinochet's Chile produce other than poverty and misery? Neoliberalism = produce nothing, sit in misery, unemployment hits 20/30/40%, and everyone gambles on the stock market.
>>2920799they gave cuba solar panels for free so it wasn't a commodity because they didn't sell it. it was directly produced for use value
Whether the bourgeoisie "shake hands" or whether they engage in genocidal wars against each other is a matter of their current interests. If you need an image of Chinese leaders shaking hands with Western leaders as "proof" of their anticommunist nature, then you are utterly retarded and hopeless, the "proof" was available in the 1930s itself in the words and actions of the people who turned the CPC from a real communist party into a vehicle for bourgeois nationalism.
Anyway, the economic competition between nations, not just China and USA, but all between all nations, will further accelerate crises and bring about the general crisis. No amount of photo ops and handshaking will stop this process.
>>2921197an actual good leftcom post that isn't just racism and ragebaiting, amazing
>>2921197>the "proof" was available in the 1930s itself in the words and actions of the people who turned the CPC from a real communist party into a vehicle for bourgeois nationalism. The CPC is explicitly against nationalism, tho. Han Nationalists are highly annoyed by all the "woke" stuff the government promotes such as giving ethnic minorities higher test scores and affirmative action hiring practices.
>>2921333To this day there are still Russian nationalist butthurt USSR built nuclear plants and dams for free in central asia
>>2921333Nationalism ≠ Ethno-Nationalism
Tho I don't think shattering your former borders would serve any use if you wanted to do a dotp (why I'm against balkanization in general for the same reason people here are fine with monopolies, it's better to keep the whole territory/ressources when transitioning to socialism and not be stuck with montenegro or somaliland borders)
>>2920596bordiga said hitler was an authentic revolutioanry but he did the haavara agreement. all your gods are opportunist too
>>2921496This is just Elon desperately dicksucking China because BYD is raping Tesla to death.
>>2921521>all your godsstop projecting your cattle personality-cult-brain into others, thank you
>>2921525>you're doing x because i say sofascinating dismissal, infant
>>2921542You’re doing x because you’re doing x
>>2921521>bordiga said hitler was an authentic revolutioanryHe didn't tho
i already know this and have kind of always known it, if not consciously then subconsciously. but what george carlin got wrong is that it's not a big club, it's a very small and very exclusive club that gets smaller and more exclusive every day. and it's not the only club either; in addition to the elite club of people at the top who have everything, there is a second diametrically-opposite club of people at the bottom who have almost nothing, and that club is big and inclusive and gets bigger and more inclusive with each passing day. and what i'm getting at is not some cliche idealistic pipe dream about a future revolution where the poor masses overthrow the wealthy elite, it's more like a reframing of the narrative, re-evaluating our highly-indoctrinated perceptions of who and what we really are, understanding that the power and wealth and prestige of the elite is not real, it is an elaborate facade, a smoke-and-mirrors parlor trick that requires tremendous and continuous effort and resources to maintain. this idea that the elite are somehow outside of everything, outside of reality, outside of the laws of nature, is a fantasy which ultimately no amount of money or power can ever permanently reify. and likewise the innate weakness and helplessness and bondage of the common masses is also an elaborate fiction, the common man is not weak or stupid or servile, he is simply an occasional victim of temporary circumstance and in the grand scheme of things he is remarkably resilient to every manner of suffering and hardship and calamity. the meek will not someday inherit the earth and they don't need to, because they are the earth, they are reality, always have been and always will be.
the elite are the ones who live in a glass house and it is only a matter of time before something they failed to account for causes the foundation to crack and the entire structure to fall and crumble to dust and leave them suddenly denuded of all the protections they have grown so accustomed to, whereupon the remorseless uncompromising forces of nature will rub them out of existence without missing a beat. meanwhile, the common folk who are one with the earth, who have spent their entire lives bending and flexing and adapting to the forces of nature out of primal necessity rather than trying to resist them and control them by brute force out of hubristic extravagance, will adapt and survive and make the best of it as they have always done through all manner of paradigm shifts and global catastrophes. so who is really strong or weak? who is really rich or poor? who is really advanced or primitive, civilized or savage? at this very moment there are tribes of so-called "uncivilized" people living in huts made of sticks and hides who have been living this way and passing on their knowledge and their traditions and their culture from generation to generation for hundreds of thousands of years, since europe was frozen under a sheet of ice a mile thick and wooly mammoths and dire wolves roamed the earth - where are the romans now? what remains of their great empire and all of its conquests and riches and monuments? how much truth has survived in the historical record of their existence and where is the line between the truth and the fiction? how much longer will it take for time to erode these statues and pillars beyond all recognition and turn them back into ordinary featureless rocks? what is current and tangible and living and real, and what is just an ephemeral ghost story?
>>2921840i have class soyciety fatigue
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