Obviously the Marxist project is modernist.
Obviously it's spooky season so this is a spook thread.
Can there even be a post-modern political project?
How we define the term post-modern seems critical.
Consider it a dialectic which doesn't remove the negated.
If we do this can we even negate "illegitimate" uses of power.
There's no "good" and "evil" here, and mass doesn't help.
Is it just our own good and evil and will to power?
Maybe we even think we're a "good" person.
And use our little power to enforce "good" ends…
But there's just the means available, and our willingness.
Does it come full circle in the end?
Maybe everyone already realizes this.
Except the "establishment" clinging to remnants of modernity.
>>2926370Why should I care? I don't care about your label and who you are. You are just a stupid fucking animal that things might be done to.
>>2926372I mean, the only thing post-modernists and the rest have going for them is wealth an armed security and police. That's reality. We don't need to huff your farts as you do. But one day, maybe the reality might be inflicted on you.
>>2926376Forget your image. I know you post modernist, liberal philosophers. I know what you are. You are the elite. You live in as dream reality where the proletariat will never touch you. The end of history. You have your spaces and your armed security and police. But maybe one day, you will not have that. Then will be the culmination of your philosophy. Maybe then will you face reality.
>>2926377It's the same thing though.
The idea was that we could circle back.
Reality could be perfectly acceptable to a post-modernist.
>>2926377>You have your spaces and your armed security and police. I mean I have engaged in discourse with your police and armed security and everyone hates you, don't you know that? Everyone is tired of your bullshit.
>>2926378Nobody fucking cares, nobody wants to protect your right to sniff your farts. But as long as the system upholds I guess it will.
I swear to god, killing every liberal post-modernist whatever is very enticing as a day of the romanov except for the fact that these people are already dead. Like they have killed everything that makes them human. The epitome of that world is flatlining the brain waves. I feel bad for them.
I'm sorry, I'm off the rails I guess, but I've been around these people too much. And like I said, every proletarian who comes into contact with them has a visceral hate for them. I remember going on field trips to their art exhibits and their uyghurs they paid to protect their "chickenscratch" as he called it all hated the garbage they were paid to protect. Everyone hates that garbage. I hate you. I hate everything that has to do with you.
>>2926383This shit would dissapear over night if capitalism ceased to exist. Forget even the CIA Pollack or whatever the fuck. This shit is pure garbage completely sustained by heiresses with zero taste.
>>2926385i see you lean towards the pre-modern
>>2926386I don't lean towards shit, like I said, even the average security guard can recognize that he is being paid to protect absolute dogshit of no value.
>>2926387I mean, but that is antithetical to the very idea of post-modern art, the fact a stupid plebeian thinks it looks like "chicken scratch" absolute repulsive fucking dog shit, means that it is only more valuable to the enlightened esoteric caviar enjoyers.
>>2926383This makes sense to me, especially in a pre-modern context that emphasized faith.
Although to me it seems that you can't really even get back to the pre-modern.
Either you accept there's no single truth or you fall back to absolute dogma.
Even still you wouldn't be able to escape the post-modern context.
Even with a pre-modern mind, it's a post-modern world.
Maybe today there's still some with a sort of faith in science.
Not capable of using the method themselves because it's specialized.
A pre-modern mind dawning the garbs of modernity.
>>2926390>Maybe today there's still some with a sort of faith in science.Then again maybe this is exactly like the "establishment" that fail to grasp post-modernity of the world.
>>2926390But why should one talentless hack be elevated above the other? Because theye got AIDs from fucking the other talentless hack raw?
>Can there even be a post-modern political project?
Yep, i'ts called modern day facism.
>>2926384Jesus Christ take your fucking meds
>>2926407How many meds are you on? I know you people.
>postmodernityPoststructuralism is a view that syntax is non-structural, and so the meaning of terms can be changed in order to change the world. In response to this fatal nominalism I quote you Engels on the topic (1872):
<These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htmThe fallacy of this is in the general convergence of meaning; e.g. the word "blue" and "azul" mean the same thing; they are just in different languages. Here, different appearances point toward the same thing beyond appearance. We may employ the Confucian proverb that it is wise to look at the moon, not the finger pointing towards it. Of course, it is not enough to say that people who disagree are "idealists" since idealists still believe in a world beyond words; an actual, fixed reality.
>postmodern politicsHaven't we seen this in feminists asking for more female CEOs?
There is no issue in the system, except who leads it, to these people.
>>2926390>There's no single truthAnd is that itself a single truth?
>>2926412Because "accomplishing shit" in your shit purview = being shit.
>>2926415See right there.
OP asks a simple question and you immediately go off your fucking rocker screaming that you want to murder every artist born after 1900 for not liking their work.
The dude wasn’t even talking about art you weird fucker
>>2926416You know what, I’m gonna go one better.
The internet has given way too much power to people who base their politics on personal, petty aesthetic resentment. You’re part of the problem. Nobody cares about your angry hipsterism
>>2926418>The dude wasn’t even talking about art you weird fuckerWhat is post-modernism then? I guess we are talking something unrelated to art or literature or whatever that I can't fathom. Good for you ignorant bastard.
>nobody was even talking about the thing >>2926420Nobody cares about you you fucking freak. You are not the exemplar of anything. You stand for nothing. You are a lonely creep.
>>2926405This is the Pyrrhonism question.
To answer it they ended up asserting nothing and just "critiquing everything existing."
Also apparently rhymes with the Madyamka school of Buddhism.
I think the alternative is to not affirm views as universal but merely conventional.
>>2926421Christ almighty he’s talking about post structuralist philosophy and social theory you dickhead. That’s what people outside the art academy mean by “ postmodernism”
>>2926425>Christ almighty he’s talking about post structuralist philosophy and social theory you dickhead. That’s what people outside the art academy mean by “ postmodernism”You are all the same braindead faggots.
>>2926422>>2926423>>2926424Jesus Christ take your meds you bizarre schizo. Nobody cares how mad you are at your art school peers
>>2926427Nobody cares about your community college philosophy degree either faggot.
>>2926426>if you tell me im off topic then YOU ARE POSTMODERN Another anon explained it right here:
>>2926409You’re losing your mind over trivial bullshit that isn’t even the subject of the thread.
>>2926430Nobody cares about your community college philosophy degree either faggot.
>>2926421No, art critique rage was not what I was going for when I made the thread…
>>2926433>No, art critique rage was not what I was going for when I made the thread…Just community college philosophy mumbo jumbo.
>>2926431Art is literally not what OP is talking about you belligerent schizo.
>REEEEEE YOU ARE POMO ARTIST REEEE REEChrist dude grow up
I remember too, philosophy students were the most retarded of all students I ever encountered as well as these art hacks. But like even somehow worse. The art students couldn't do nothing impressive with their hand and a pencil or brush. But these philosophy students are somehow more retarded.
>>2926434Yes, that is literally what the thread is about per OP
>>2926409>Haven't we seen this in feminists asking for more female CEOs?>There is no issue in the system, except who leads it, to these people.I wonder why post-modernist politics would say there's no issue though?
Is there anything inherent in it that says it has to be this way?
The is/ought distinction is surely something recognized by post-modernists.
>>2926435I didn't say that. I accept that you are simply retarded without any pretensions of artistic ability.
>>2926440I'm not mad, you're just retarded.
>>2926440>>2926436Okay? And? So what?
Literally not the topic of OP, and you’re just throwing a tantrum that it’s not about your personal art school rage.
Fucking hell, grow up.
Let us readdress this whole conversation from the jump? What is the point of whatever the fuck bullshit ideology about post-modernism you guys are proclaiming? how will it ever help anyone achieve anything?
>>2926445Like do you think you could ever make a mass-movement of believe who believe in whatever nonsensical retarded bullshit you believe? If not, why are you even worth discussing?
>>2926445Who said we were proclaiming it in the first place? OP wanted to ask if there is such a thing as a coherent postmodern politics
>>2926449The answer is no. It's fucking gay and nothing you do or say will ever mean anything to anyone.
>>2926446Where is your fucking mass movement today? The workers' movement died in the early 1970s when unions signed an agreement with the bourgeoisie to
lower wages during the oil crisis. You talk as if your project was still universal and not another set of beliefs you express in your little atomized life and disconnected from the daily routine of the average Joes and Janes.
>>2926445This isn't something I believe it's something I was thinking about.
Imagine we live in a post-modern world.
Imagine post-modern is an inescapable fact.
(No single source of truth, preservation of negated bits, etc.)
The question was almost can there be a politics today - in this post-modern fashion.
Which is sort of fatalistic and nasty, even bad, but maybe worth asking.
>>2926455Well is postmodern politics even a thing?
Who is to say any of my posts were not postmodern politics themself?
>>2926456Insofar as Woke 1 and the groyper right are a thing, probably
>>2926452We live in a post-modern world, that was always the point. You uyghurs need to learn difference between "making a diagnosis" and "supporting a cause".
Politics are still there, they are more present in public discourse than they ever been since the 1990s.
The thing is, there are no established mass movements and parties anymore like they were in the 1950s-1960s — moan all you want about the collapse of the USSR, I don't give a shit, it doesn't change a thing — and people are reduced to the role of spectators, expressing strongly worded opinions on social media while not constituting themselves as a tangible and long-lasting counter-power.
You can retreat in nostalgia for a past you never knew and never had to experience, or you can think and perhaps act on the present. "Men make their own history but not as they please", etc.
today I will remind them that the foundations of "post-modernism" are dadasim and absurdism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada>Dada is the groundwork to abstract art and sound poetry, a starting point for performance art, a prelude to postmodernism, an influence on pop art, a celebration of antiart to be later embraced for anarcho-political uses in the 1960s and the movement that laid the foundation for Surrealism.[22]Dango, they don't want to be more pomo than me anymore. Whatever did they mean about their fascination with pomo?
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