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If Marxism were an objective, scientific theory, then any fat autistic person should be able to develop it. Why did Engels specifically financially support and commission Marx to develop the theory of scientific socialism when there were very likely far more competent developers? These more competent developers had no financial incentive to invest the effort in developing a theory of scientific socialism. And now we're stuck with Marx's mediocre work when we could have something much better.

>>2927673
why are you talking about scientific socialism like it's a videogame?

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>>2927875

Reminder reporting exists and that most rule breaking posts just break rule 14

Lenin admits socialism is bourgeois.
<The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness […] The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical, and economic theories elaborated by educated representatives of the propertied classes, by intellectuals. By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia. In the very same way, in Russia, the theoretical doctrine of Social-Democracy arose altogether independently of the spontaneous growth of the working-class movement; it arose as a natural and inevitable outcome of the development of thought among the revolutionary socialist intelligentsia.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm

Wage workers, apparently, can't think of a world beyond wages. They'll even fight for higher nominal wages while losing out on real wages.

>>2927886
>The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical, and economic theories elaborated by educated representatives of the propertied classes, by intellectuals.

More on this topic on politzer's elementary principles of philosophy

>>2927878
because it is open source software.

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>>2927875

>>2927886
Yes; Marx discusses this in his early Manuscripts (1844):
<This class has always to sacrifice a part of itself in order not to be wholly destroyed […] in a declining state of society — increasing misery of the worker; in an advancing state — misery with complications; and in a fully developed state of society — static misery […] misery results, therefore, from the essence of present-day labor itself.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/wages.htm
This is drawing from Adam Smith's perspective that even in an ideal state of affairs for wage workers, there cannot be real advancement, since it requires a proportional alienation. Marx further bemoans the colonial consciousness of workers in later letters, seeming to pose this as a 'primary contradiction' in Maoist terms. We may read (1869):
<The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland. That is why the Irish question is so important for the social movement in general.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1869/letters/69_12_10-abs.htm
Furthermore, Marx sees national liberation as the solution (1870):
<Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class […] The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A.. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland […] This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this […] It makes any honest and serious co-operation between the working classes of the two countries impossible […] It is the special task of the Central Council in London to make the English workers realise that for them the national emancipation of Ireland is not a question of abstract justice or humanitarian sentiment but the first condition of their own social emancipation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
The proletariat is confined in its closed consciousness, while the bourgeoisie is international, inhabiting a consciousness of capital. As Marx sees it, the universal abstraction of labour proceeds its division into smaller parts, unified in exchange by value-formation, crystalised in money. It is prerequisite of man's dehumanisation for him to be realised in reverse. Indeed, it is bourgeois political economy which promotes the idea of the LTV, the same as the socialist foundation:
<Insofar as modern socialism, no matter of what tendency, starts out from bourgeois political economy, it almost without exception takes up the Ricardian theory of value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/poverty-philosophy/pre-1885.htm

>>2927673

Marx was an fat autist, its why we love him.

Engels funded him because being a fat autist is expensive, Marx needed his tendies to fuel his writing.


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